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It's not that. It's more so that I think black Americans always have a bit of mistrust for their white acquaintances when it comes to race. We're always prepared for the day (and it may never come) where those acquaintances slip up and show how they really feel.
There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I thought to myself the other day "I don't have any black friends, that's weird." Then half an hour or so later I realized "oh, wait, X is black. That's weird that I didn't think of that, I hang out with them like twice a week." I mean, I guess it's good because they aren't the "I have black friends!" friend.
It's not that. It's more so that I think black Americans always have a bit of mistrust for their white acquaintances when it comes to race. We're always prepared for the day (and it may never come) where those acquaintances slip up and show how they really feel.
There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I mean, that still sounds like you're implying that they're all secretly racist. Even if they don't prove they're racist, they're still racist? Do I have to go to all my black friends and be all, "Hey, it's cool I'm not racist" once a week? I'd hope they'd be insulted, insulted that I insinuated that they think I'm racist.
Maybe it's just from living in Northern VA/the D.C. metro area all my life I look at racism and racist happenings through some sort of fogged looking glass. I'm never able to quite comprehend it.
So my general question is why don't more black people try to move out of the South? I mean I know that there's some racism everywhere, but it's got to be better up North or out West (I mean outside LA and San Diego).
Except it really isn't. A good example of this is the massive fights over mandatory bussing in Boston. If you read up on sundown towns, you'll find that most of them weren't in the South.
Actually, in a way, the problems with racism are better in the South, because they're out in the open. In a lot of other areas, they're secrets that nobody wants to talk about.
That's what everybody says (particularly people from the South), but I can't imagine one single white person here on the West Coast that would ever, even for a moment, put up photos on Facebook of people miming a racial attack in some kind of parodied black face unless they were intentionally doing it to provoke along racial lines. Nobody is that goddamn out of touch.
Now, there's some weird elements of racism that are much more open between whites v. Asians, and in particular whites v. Latinos, but as far as that deep-seated, generational, family bred and widely accepted hatred that seems to fester in the South, it just doesn't exist on the West Coast.
(snicker) Yeah, keep believing that. Like I said, it's different. Whereas blacks in the South are part and parcel of the communities there, in other regions, they were just outright excluded. So no, they might not put up photos of them in blackface, but watch what happens when they find out their new neighbors are black.
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I'm suddenly reminded of all that "Reasonable Accomodation" hoo-ha that's happening in the news in Quebec.
Long story short, there's been a lot of bitching and whining about how immigrants aren't assimilating the way they're supposed to, particularly in regards to the Hijab, where a woman wearing one has had a tendency to create a large ruckuss among authority figures. As well, a rural town passed a bylaw that forbade, for some reason, honor killings.
So, two guys hired by the government are going on a roadshow across the province, doing town-hall style meetings.
This has pretty much ended up with a lot of people complaining about how immigrants are not being Quebecois enough with their foreign culture, and a whole lot of anti-semetism.
Looks like the legacy of Lionel Groulx lives on.
Meanwhile, being an Injun, I always have an expression that looks kinda like this when I read this crap...
It's not that. It's more so that I think black Americans always have a bit of mistrust for their white acquaintances when it comes to race. We're always prepared for the day (and it may never come) where those acquaintances slip up and show how they really feel.
There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I mean, that still sounds like you're implying that they're all secretly racist. Even if they don't prove they're racist, they're still racist? Do I have to go to all my black friends and be all, "Hey, it's cool I'm not racist" once a week? I'd hope they'd be insulted, insulted that I insinuated that they think I'm racist.
Maybe it's just from living in Northern VA/the D.C. metro area all my life I look at racism and racist happenings through some sort of fogged looking glass. I'm never able to quite comprehend it.
I guess it's just that we're cynical like that thanks to past experiences. I don't think any of my white friends are racist, and I'd definitely be pissed/hurt if they were to spout off some racist shit. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if they did because, for white people in general, I have that slight bit of mistrust and cynicism in the back of my mind. It's something cultural that I can't quite shake, mainly because it's been borne out on more than a few occasions. I'm not saying it's entirely logical, either, but it's there.
It's not that. It's more so that I think black Americans always have a bit of mistrust for their white acquaintances when it comes to race. We're always prepared for the day (and it may never come) where those acquaintances slip up and show how they really feel.
There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I mean, that still sounds like you're implying that they're all secretly racist. Even if they don't prove they're racist, they're still racist? Do I have to go to all my black friends and be all, "Hey, it's cool I'm not racist" once a week? I'd hope they'd be insulted, insulted that I insinuated that they think I'm racist.
Maybe it's just from living in Northern VA/the D.C. metro area all my life I look at racism and racist happenings through some sort of fogged looking glass. I'm never able to quite comprehend it.
We're all racist to some extent. Look at how poorly everyone does on those association tests.
Does what someone says when they're drunk indicate how they 'really feel', and if it does, is that actually meaningful. For most of those people, when their inhibitions are fully functioning they know that any racist thought is wrong and quash it.
It's not that. It's more so that I think black Americans always have a bit of mistrust for their white acquaintances when it comes to race. We're always prepared for the day (and it may never come) where those acquaintances slip up and show how they really feel.
There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I mean, that still sounds like you're implying that they're all secretly racist. Even if they don't prove they're racist, they're still racist? Do I have to go to all my black friends and be all, "Hey, it's cool I'm not racist" once a week? I'd hope they'd be insulted, insulted that I insinuated that they think I'm racist.
Maybe it's just from living in Northern VA/the D.C. metro area all my life I look at racism and racist happenings through some sort of fogged looking glass. I'm never able to quite comprehend it.
I guess it's just that we're cynical like that thanks to past experiences. I don't think any of my white friends are racist, and I'd definitely be pissed/hurt if they were to spout off some racist shit. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if they did because, for white people in general, I have that slight bit of mistrust and cynicism in the back of my mind. It's something cultural that I can't quite shake, mainly because it's been borne out on more than a few occasions. I'm not saying it's entirely logical, either, but it's there.
Yeah, it's one of those things that gets put into your head. I can honestly say that I've never personally heard someone say the N-word and mean it, but it bugs me every time I hear it. You grow up around people who have truly felt the sting of racism, and that reality gets drilled in your head. It makes you wary of people's intentions. I've overreacted to benign comments before. It's something that takes a while to unlearn.
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So my general question is why don't more black people try to move out of the South? I mean I know that there's some racism everywhere, but it's got to be better up North or out West (I mean outside LA and San Diego).
Except it really isn't. A good example of this is the massive fights over mandatory bussing in Boston. If you read up on sundown towns, you'll find that most of them weren't in the South.
Actually, in a way, the problems with racism are better in the South, because they're out in the open. In a lot of other areas, they're secrets that nobody wants to talk about.
I don't really buy this example posing as a reasonable generality for racism in the North. For one thing, this occurred over thirty years ago. Also, South Boston is an unusual place - it was until recently dominated by organized crime, was heavily ethnically Irish long-time family residents with the attendant xenophobia and prejudices, and was until recently the single highest concentration of white poverty in the US. I've seen or heard nothing since I've lived here to suggest that this kind of attitude has persisted here (though granted I don't hang out in Southie, Roxbury or Dorchester).
The furthest north I've ever lived was Indianapolis, and it was pretty cool for the most part. However, the rest of the state...let's just say that the people I knew in Indy advised that you spend as little time out of the city as possible. Indiana often struck me as being the closest thing you could get to the south without crossing the Mason-Dixon line. And don't get me started on the attitude people would have towards Gary.
The furthest north I've ever lived was Indianapolis, and it was pretty cool for the most part. However, the rest of the state...let's just say that the people I knew in Indy advised that you spend as little time out of the city as possible. Indiana often struck me as being the closest thing you could get to the south without crossing the Mason-Dixon line. And don't get me started on the attitude people would have towards Gary.
Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia are only nominally "Union" states. Pretty much anywhere that the economy centers on a decaying manufacturing and extraction base has a citizenry too generally impoverished and pissed off to really be a haven for progressivity. Central Pennsylvania, Upstate New York and much of Ohio are kind of the same way - less "Southern" trappings, of course, but plenty of belligerent localism and xenophobia.
"There was a six-member all-white jury, although blacks were included in the jury selection process. The 150-person jury call included black citizens, who make up ten percent of the parish's population,[36] but none of the 50 potential jurors who showed up were black.[31][7]"
Looks like all the black people forgot to show up for jury duty. WHOOOOOOOOPS!
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There's also the problem of differences between what a black person would consider racist and what a white person would consider racist.
I thought to myself the other day "I don't have any black friends, that's weird." Then half an hour or so later I realized "oh, wait, X is black. That's weird that I didn't think of that, I hang out with them like twice a week." I mean, I guess it's good because they aren't the "I have black friends!" friend.
Maybe it's just from living in Northern VA/the D.C. metro area all my life I look at racism and racist happenings through some sort of fogged looking glass. I'm never able to quite comprehend it.
(snicker) Yeah, keep believing that. Like I said, it's different. Whereas blacks in the South are part and parcel of the communities there, in other regions, they were just outright excluded. So no, they might not put up photos of them in blackface, but watch what happens when they find out their new neighbors are black.
Long story short, there's been a lot of bitching and whining about how immigrants aren't assimilating the way they're supposed to, particularly in regards to the Hijab, where a woman wearing one has had a tendency to create a large ruckuss among authority figures. As well, a rural town passed a bylaw that forbade, for some reason, honor killings.
So, two guys hired by the government are going on a roadshow across the province, doing town-hall style meetings.
This has pretty much ended up with a lot of people complaining about how immigrants are not being Quebecois enough with their foreign culture, and a whole lot of anti-semetism.
Looks like the legacy of Lionel Groulx lives on.
I guess it's just that we're cynical like that thanks to past experiences. I don't think any of my white friends are racist, and I'd definitely be pissed/hurt if they were to spout off some racist shit. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if they did because, for white people in general, I have that slight bit of mistrust and cynicism in the back of my mind. It's something cultural that I can't quite shake, mainly because it's been borne out on more than a few occasions. I'm not saying it's entirely logical, either, but it's there.
We're all racist to some extent. Look at how poorly everyone does on those association tests.
Does what someone says when they're drunk indicate how they 'really feel', and if it does, is that actually meaningful. For most of those people, when their inhibitions are fully functioning they know that any racist thought is wrong and quash it.
Yeah, it's one of those things that gets put into your head. I can honestly say that I've never personally heard someone say the N-word and mean it, but it bugs me every time I hear it. You grow up around people who have truly felt the sting of racism, and that reality gets drilled in your head. It makes you wary of people's intentions. I've overreacted to benign comments before. It's something that takes a while to unlearn.
Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia are only nominally "Union" states. Pretty much anywhere that the economy centers on a decaying manufacturing and extraction base has a citizenry too generally impoverished and pissed off to really be a haven for progressivity. Central Pennsylvania, Upstate New York and much of Ohio are kind of the same way - less "Southern" trappings, of course, but plenty of belligerent localism and xenophobia.
"There was a six-member all-white jury, although blacks were included in the jury selection process. The 150-person jury call included black citizens, who make up ten percent of the parish's population,[36] but none of the 50 potential jurors who showed up were black.[31][7]"
Looks like all the black people forgot to show up for jury duty. WHOOOOOOOOPS!
Blacks know better than to voluntarily enter a courthouse in Louisiana.
Just a suggestion.