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When I was in elementary school, one of the big things being taught to us was how to write cursive:
We would be given these assignments to do where we would have to write down so many letters so many times in cursive to get the habit of it, while being told that when we grew up, this would be the way we would have to write as adults.
Now fast forward a couple years, and I took notice that despite being the "adult way" of writing things, few teachers actually wrote in cursive (and most of them were English teachers). And on any assignments requiring you to write out a page of paper or so, you were often encouraged to write in print instead. The importance of "cursive" writing more or less disappeared mid-way through Junior High, if not sooner. Now in days, the only time I use it is when I sign my name on a form or check.
So, did anyone else go through a similar time in school with the idea that cursive is the "one-and-only" way to write when you grew up, and do you still use it to some extent?
Cursive is pretty annoying, but I think if it had any relevance at all still it was probably killed by the computer. It's only good for having a signature.
So, did anyone else go through a similar time in school with the idea that cursive is the "one-and-only" way to write when you grew up, and do you still use it to some extent?
Yes; no. I never understood why cursive was grown-up writing, anyhow. It has extraneous lines and looks nothing like the letters in books? Awesome! Not. Get with the times, oldsters.
INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I have a hard time reading cursive, but when I first wrote with it, my handwriting got a lot neater.
Now, my handwriting is pretty severe and the letters look more like letters in print, but I string them all together so that each word is written without lifting the pen, cursive-style.
But yeah, when I was in Elementary school, it was a big deal in like third grade through fifth to learn to write in cursive, but then nobody cared after that.
they called it joined-up-writing when I was at school. Not kidding either. Now that I'm an adult I don't write at all. I sign my name sometimes. When I feel like it.
With the signature dying, the last vestige of cursive is pretty much gone. I really, really hope they aren't teaching that shit in school anymore, because it's useless. Of course, if you had less-than-perfect penmanship, it was useless anyhow, because no one could read what you were writing, and then they'd bitch about it, and when you'd ask to write in print, they'd say "no, you have to learn to write correctly for high school and college," and when you told them "by the time I'm in college, everyone will be typing everything, anyhow, so why bother?" they'd laugh mockingly, pat you on the head for being a silly child, and send you off. If I had a nickel for every time this conversation occurred from when I was about 6 on, I'd be a wealthy man right now. And I was wrong, but only because everyone was pretty much typing everything by the time I was in high school. Stupid fucking teachers.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. My signature has degraded to the point where I don't even bother pretending I'm doing anything but writing a couple of scribbles.
With the signature dying, the last vestige of cursive is pretty much gone. I really, really hope they aren't teaching that shit in school anymore, because it's useless. Of course, if you had less-than-perfect penmanship, it was useless anyhow, because no one could read what you were writing, and then they'd bitch about it, and when you'd ask to write in print, they'd say "no, you have to learn to write correctly for high school and college," and when you told them "by the time I'm in college, everyone will be typing everything, anyhow, so why bother?" they'd laugh mockingly, pat you on the head for being a silly child, and send you off. If I had a nickel for every time this conversation occurred from when I was about 6 on, I'd be a wealthy man right now. And I was wrong, but only because everyone was pretty much typing everything by the time I was in high school. Stupid fucking teachers.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. My signature has degraded to the point where I don't even bother pretending I'm doing anything but writing a couple of scribbles.
I had the same problem, man.
Also, they are still teaching it. My little brother was still learning it last year.
It wasn't until a few months ago that my girlfriend told me that she admired how I still write in cursive that I realized it's not used much anymore. I use it whenever I'm writing any sort of note.
From 4th grade to 6th, everyone in my school wrote in nothing but cursive- it was just what was expected of us, and it's faster once you've been doing it for a while.
Then I moved, and in 7th grade I was in a school where no one but me wrote in cursive, and in fact they had a great deal of trouble reading anything I would write, so I ended up switching to print for a while. It probably didn't help that my handwriting has always been atrocious, but all of those kids were taught "whole language" in grade school anyway, so a large portion of their English skills were fucked up to begin with.
Now I very rarely write anything down that anyone but I will see, and when I rush I come up with a kinda hodgepodge of script and print, due to having had to switch back.
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I swear cursive writing is the tool of the devil. It is solely responsible for my complete and utter inability to write anything legible these days. If you look at old notebooks when I was still printing the text is actually readable, but after cursive was introduced (in grade... 3?) my writing turned into some horrible mash-up of the two and I can't unlearn it. No two letter are formed in quite the same way and unless I'm sitting it's impossible for even me to decipher the text after.
I doff my hat to any who can write half as fast in print as they can in cursive. Though print has the advantage of being less prone to horrific handwriting, cursive is clearly faster, and writing speed is not only important for many lines of work (we don't all work behind computers) but it is a huge boon for life in general. My life, and my work would fall apart without my extensive lists, notes and trusty pocket notebook.
Print is only relevant for filling in forms, and writing for others if your penmanship is lacking.
Hmm...I find that I write a lot faster in cursive, even though it's slightly less legible and causes more mistakes. Helpful for essay exams and such, but that's about it.
Honestly, they tried to teach me with phonics later, and I could not learn that shit. There's nothing wrong with whole language; it's just different from phonics. Some kids learn better with one, some learn better with the other.
I've never actually looked it up before, but what I knew about it from the people with which I went to school was that it meant they spelled everything phonetically, and the teachers were not in fact allowed to tell the students that they were spelling words wrong. Which I guess might be reasonable in theory, but it makes you look like an idiot if you have to communicate with another person through text.
From what I could tell, most of the students had recovered, but then I only really knew other kids in honors and AP classes.
I doff my hat to any who can write half as fast in print as they can in cursive. Though print has the advantage of being less prone to horrific handwriting, cursive is clearly faster, and writing speed is not only important for many lines of work (we don't all work behind computers) but it is a huge boon for life in general. My life, and my work would fall apart without my extensive lists, notes and trusty pocket notebook.
Print is only relevant for filling in forms, and writing for others if your penmanship is lacking.
Assuming that whatever I write would need to be at least legible to myself, I'm about as fast either way; perhaps faster with print since that's what I'm used to.
With the signature dying, the last vestige of cursive is pretty much gone. I really, really hope they aren't teaching that shit in school anymore, because it's useless. Of course, if you had less-than-perfect penmanship, it was useless anyhow, because no one could read what you were writing, and then they'd bitch about it, and when you'd ask to write in print, they'd say "no, you have to learn to write correctly for high school and college," and when you told them "by the time I'm in college, everyone will be typing everything, anyhow, so why bother?" they'd laugh mockingly, pat you on the head for being a silly child, and send you off. If I had a nickel for every time this conversation occurred from when I was about 6 on, I'd be a wealthy man right now. And I was wrong, but only because everyone was pretty much typing everything by the time I was in high school. Stupid fucking teachers.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. My signature has degraded to the point where I don't even bother pretending I'm doing anything but writing a couple of scribbles.
I had the same problem, man.
Also, they are still teaching it. My little brother was still learning it last year.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
I've never actually looked it up before, but what I knew about it from the people with which I went to school was that it meant they spelled everything phonetically, and the teachers were not in fact allowed to tell the students that they were spelling words wrong. Which I guess might be reasonable in theory, but it makes you look like an idiot if you have to communicate with another person through text.
From what I could tell, most of the students had recovered, but then I only really knew other kids in honors and AP classes.
With the signature dying, the last vestige of cursive is pretty much gone. I really, really hope they aren't teaching that shit in school anymore, because it's useless. Of course, if you had less-than-perfect penmanship, it was useless anyhow, because no one could read what you were writing, and then they'd bitch about it, and when you'd ask to write in print, they'd say "no, you have to learn to write correctly for high school and college," and when you told them "by the time I'm in college, everyone will be typing everything, anyhow, so why bother?" they'd laugh mockingly, pat you on the head for being a silly child, and send you off. If I had a nickel for every time this conversation occurred from when I was about 6 on, I'd be a wealthy man right now. And I was wrong, but only because everyone was pretty much typing everything by the time I was in high school. Stupid fucking teachers.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. My signature has degraded to the point where I don't even bother pretending I'm doing anything but writing a couple of scribbles.
I had the same problem, man.
Also, they are still teaching it. My little brother was still learning it last year.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
I think all the people there have changed since I was 8. Principal definatley has.
I've never actually looked it up before, but what I knew about it from the people with which I went to school was that it meant they spelled everything phonetically, and the teachers were not in fact allowed to tell the students that they were spelling words wrong. Which I guess might be reasonable in theory, but it makes you look like an idiot if you have to communicate with another person through text.
From what I could tell, most of the students had recovered, but then I only really knew other kids in honors and AP classes.
o_O
Yeah... they taught me whole language, and they most definitely taught me how to spell.
Yeah... they taught me whole language, and they most definitely taught me how to spell.
Debateable.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I really don't know what system I folks used when I was learning to write and read and all that good stuff.
I do remember, however, that rather than not telling me I was spelling words wrong, I would be told that I was spelling things wrong but never told how to spell them correctly.
The only cursive letter I use is a lowercase A, and only because it looks cleaner than its print counterpart. I can't write in cursive anymore, and I only remember how to read it because my dad always wrote stuff he wanted me to do (chores and stuff) when I was little using cursive. I'll probably forget how to read it eventually.
I really don't know what system I folks used when I was learning to write and read and all that good stuff.
I do remember, however, that rather than not telling me I was spelling words wrong, I would be told that I was spelling things wrong but never told how to spell them correctly.
After having to write papers over again throughout 4th and 5th grade due to unreadability, I switched from cursive to print for just about everything. I can still swap between them, it's just my cursive is completely illegible to anyone but me--I'm talking da Vinci backwards written readability, here.
I remember starting to learn cursive back in primary (elementary) school. We called it "running writing" (an Australian term).
We were forced to use it for about a week, then the teacher said: "If you don't like it, you can switch back to print now". About half the class kept using it, and the other half dropped it immediately. By the end of the year, almost nobody was using it.
This was back in the mid-1980s. I'm surprised they even bother with it at all these days.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
Cursive does nothing but slow me down. It's different for everyone.
My handwriting is atrocious and each time I sign my name it looks different. I break out into a sweat whenever I have to sign a credit card receipt because I know it will look nothing like what's on the back of the card. Never been asked for ID yet though...
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
After typing "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" about ten times faster than I can think of how to write it in cursive, I have to disagree.
I mean, seriously, they waste months of school time teaching you how to write like that, and for what? In case you might have to use it where you work? In this thread we've got, what, one person who actually uses it? Does that sound like something you need to waste that much time with teaching to every kid?
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
Agreed. It's not as important as it once was, but it is a better way to write. Being able to write quickly (and reasonably legibly) was/is necessary for taking notes in a lot of my classes and being able to perform well on AP tests.
I don't think they should be hardasses about the specifics, though- it likely wouldn't be unreasonable to take some of that time and put it toward typing classes. Who knows how long it will be before we can take all of our tests with a keyboard, anyway?
I mean, seriously, they waste months of school time teaching you how to write like that, and for what? In case you might have to use it where you work? In this thread we've got, what, one person who actually uses it? Does that sound like something you need to waste that much time with teaching to every kid?
I agree with Than. My little bro had to learn it, and he can't spell for shit. Instead of wasting time on cursive, teach kids HOW TO FUCKING SPELL!
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I can write a page and a half in a college ruled notebook in fifteen minutes.
I really hate how slowly I write with my handwriting, but writing purely cursive would only slow me down further, I think. Plus, I like how my handwriting looks, and people don't have trouble reading it.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
Agreed. It's not as important as it once was, but it is a better way to write. Being able to write quickly (and reasonably legibly) was/is necessary for taking notes in a lot of my classes and being able to perform well on AP tests.
I don't think they should be hardasses about the specifics, though- it likely wouldn't be unreasonable to take some of that time and put it toward typing classes. Who knows how long it will be before we can take all of our tests with a keyboard, anyway?
Dude, I fucking guarantee you that by the time kids learning cursive today are in high school, they'll be typing notes, let alone tests.
You should seriously write a letter to the school board or superintendent. It's such an enormous waste of time.
Judging from a simple handwriting speed test (Repeating "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." for a minute in print and a minute in cursive), I write just shy of four times faster in cursive than in print. Cursive is not a waste of time. It is an essential skill for those who write often and at length.
Cursive does nothing but slow me down. It's different for everyone.
There were many students in my secondary school I.T. classes whose typing speeds were noticably slower than their writing speeds, and who were prone to error with typing whereas their writing was perfect. Because these students never, in their time at the school, adapted to typing should the school not bother teaching it? Of course not. Typing is an incredibly valuable skill, at home and at work. Such is cursive. It's a shame that some, due to poor teaching or other reasons, can not do it (a remarkable amount of people in this thread; at my school, everyone wrote in cursive, even when given the choice; yes, that includes the teachers) but these few who struggle with writing should not prevent other capable students from learning a wonderful life skill.
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Now? I don't even fucking remember it. They just stopped it in 6th grade.
Yes; no. I never understood why cursive was grown-up writing, anyhow. It has extraneous lines and looks nothing like the letters in books? Awesome! Not. Get with the times, oldsters.
Now, my handwriting is pretty severe and the letters look more like letters in print, but I string them all together so that each word is written without lifting the pen, cursive-style.
But yeah, when I was in Elementary school, it was a big deal in like third grade through fifth to learn to write in cursive, but then nobody cared after that.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. My signature has degraded to the point where I don't even bother pretending I'm doing anything but writing a couple of scribbles.
Also, they are still teaching it. My little brother was still learning it last year.
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Then I moved, and in 7th grade I was in a school where no one but me wrote in cursive, and in fact they had a great deal of trouble reading anything I would write, so I ended up switching to print for a while. It probably didn't help that my handwriting has always been atrocious, but all of those kids were taught "whole language" in grade school anyway, so a large portion of their English skills were fucked up to begin with.
Now I very rarely write anything down that anyone but I will see, and when I rush I come up with a kinda hodgepodge of script and print, due to having had to switch back.
Print is only relevant for filling in forms, and writing for others if your penmanship is lacking.
what does that mean?
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Honestly, they tried to teach me with phonics later, and I could not learn that shit. There's nothing wrong with whole language; it's just different from phonics. Some kids learn better with one, some learn better with the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_language
I've never actually looked it up before, but what I knew about it from the people with which I went to school was that it meant they spelled everything phonetically, and the teachers were not in fact allowed to tell the students that they were spelling words wrong. Which I guess might be reasonable in theory, but it makes you look like an idiot if you have to communicate with another person through text.
From what I could tell, most of the students had recovered, but then I only really knew other kids in honors and AP classes.
Assuming that whatever I write would need to be at least legible to myself, I'm about as fast either way; perhaps faster with print since that's what I'm used to.
(and I can type faster than either)
Yeah, fuck that shit. That time could have been spent teaching me Russian or something.
o_O
I do remember, however, that rather than not telling me I was spelling words wrong, I would be told that I was spelling things wrong but never told how to spell them correctly.
"It wasn't actually a huge deal, except we don't know how to make sentences that work correctly of which."
http://machall.com/view.php?date=2005-11-08
We were forced to use it for about a week, then the teacher said: "If you don't like it, you can switch back to print now". About half the class kept using it, and the other half dropped it immediately. By the end of the year, almost nobody was using it.
This was back in the mid-1980s. I'm surprised they even bother with it at all these days.
My handwriting is atrocious and each time I sign my name it looks different. I break out into a sweat whenever I have to sign a credit card receipt because I know it will look nothing like what's on the back of the card. Never been asked for ID yet though...
Agreed. It's not as important as it once was, but it is a better way to write. Being able to write quickly (and reasonably legibly) was/is necessary for taking notes in a lot of my classes and being able to perform well on AP tests.
I don't think they should be hardasses about the specifics, though- it likely wouldn't be unreasonable to take some of that time and put it toward typing classes. Who knows how long it will be before we can take all of our tests with a keyboard, anyway?
I really hate how slowly I write with my handwriting, but writing purely cursive would only slow me down further, I think. Plus, I like how my handwriting looks, and people don't have trouble reading it.