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Online dating sites. Useful tool to meet someone or just creepy?
So the other day I was browing PVP and the Scott Kurtz mention that his friend had created a new dating site for geeks, which got me thinking about online dating sites in general, and if they are ever used(I mean, they have considering they are up), and if anyone here has actually found anyone there.
Personally I never used the sites, but I have tried craigslist a couple of times. Every time has been the same, some back and forth emails that peter out, or a couple of face to face meetings that go nowhere. How has it been for you all?
Several of my friends signed up to online dating sites. One of them got his girlfriend from there. The others... only a handful of dates with weird girls.
I'll probably sign up to a dating site after I move in a few months. I won't do it now because there's no point when I don't even know where I'll be moving to. But the way I see it, there's no reason to turn down a chance to meet women, no matter how small a chance it is.
Normal social networking sites are a good way to meet people, but the dating-specific ones seem to attract far too many of the desperate/crazy/disturbing. I don't really have much faith in the systems the site owners use to match people either, they seem often to be based on stupid formulas designed to reinforce stereotypes.
My psych advisor met her husband on a match site in the early 90s, they got married three months after they first met. She said, "He might not have been 'Mr. Right', but he was good enough for me" or something like that. My girlfriend and I filled out profiles separately one day, and we weren't a 'match'. I guess if you'll get more out of it if you expect to get more out of it and the people aren't faking their profiles.
Normal social networking sites are a good way to meet people, but the dating-specific ones seem to attract far too many of the desperate/crazy/disturbing. I don't really have much faith in the systems the site owners use to match people either, they seem often to be based on stupid formulas designed to reinforce stereotypes.
See, maybe it's just me, but I don't find myspace/facebook that great to meet people. Well, you can meet people that you're friend knows, but I don't know anyone that has actually met someone brand spanking new off myspace and the like. Probably has EVERYONE has a profile at this point, and unlike dating sites, people go to social networking sites for many reasons.
I use OkCupid, but only because it's both free and makes no claim that they're really doing any of the matching. I still only use it as a sort of fun thing to do on the downtime, and because if I ever decide to become a NSA whore it's a much better avenue for that than craigslist. I guess.
I don't put a lot of stock in the matching sites' claims either, and like I said I can't put any stock in OkCupid's matching even because it relies entirely on the user's perception of what their ideal match is-- literally, as you answer hundreds and hundreds of questions, you select also what your ideal match's answer would be,
and it builds the matches off of that.
Now, I know that I don't know what I want, and I don't trust that anyone else on the Internet using a dating website does. So.
Normal social networking sites are a good way to meet people, but the dating-specific ones seem to attract far too many of the desperate/crazy/disturbing. I don't really have much faith in the systems the site owners use to match people either, they seem often to be based on stupid formulas designed to reinforce stereotypes.
This.
I've tried a few of them on occasion and so far I'm not impressed with much about them. I've found that most of the time it seems to be filled with the kinds of people I was trying to avoid via "typical" dating methods as well. Filled with girls talking about all the "hot doodz" and not really looking for anything serious, etc etc. Or filled with profiles that have literal laundry lists of "requirements" that people should meet before they deem you "worthy" of a reply.
I've had a couple dates based on them, but mostly it will wind up being an e-mail or two thrown back and forth if they even reply.
Really they would be a bit better if there wasn't so much emphasis on "fill in this template and pray". Likewise all the "match systems" they use and gimmicks never seem to do much.
I dunno, I don't think they are either creepy or that useful... just another area to look into, but not a place to plant and stop looking elsewhere.
I'll bet the peoplpe who've susscessfully managed to use them swear by them though.
Yeah, if it worked for you (especially with little to no freak factor) I don't see why you wouldn't. But I think a lot of it simply has to do with who is on it in your area.
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2007
There are a bunch of different types of people on there. Not just the creepy and the desperate. Although overall I haven't had much lasting success, I haven't really had any horrific dates either.
Oh, and I think they are useful if you live in a populous region like me because then there tend to be wonderful assortments of people, and if you are looking for something in particular, that is good.
Like, it gives me a very easy way to pick out of the crowd the people who are actively looking for transpeople-- what I unfortunately discovered is that all of those people, like anyone actively looking for a 'type' of person, are just creepy perverts.
Oh well.
They were good at serving that purpose, though-- I guess the fact the people were creepy doesn't diminish the website's ability to bring together otherwise unlikely-to-intersect individuals.
Normal social networking sites are a good way to meet people, but the dating-specific ones seem to attract far too many of the desperate/crazy/disturbing. I don't really have much faith in the systems the site owners use to match people either, they seem often to be based on stupid formulas designed to reinforce stereotypes.
See, maybe it's just me, but I don't find myspace/facebook that great to meet people. Well, you can meet people that you're friend knows, but I don't know anyone that has actually met someone brand spanking new off myspace and the like. Probably has EVERYONE has a profile at this point, and unlike dating sites, people go to social networking sites for many reasons.
well, I don't tend to try meeting randoms that way, instead using it to get to know friends-of-friends better, like you said.
"Wait a minute," I interrupt him. "Don't I get to detail the sort of woman I want to meet?!"
"No, we do that for you. We match who you are with who she is."
"That's completely stupid," I complain. "I'm paying $19.95 to you people to find me Ms. Right and I don't even get any say about what I look for in a woman? I know exactly the sort of girlfriend I'm looking for."
"Then why don't you have a girlfriend?"
He has a point.
My sister met her fiance through Lavalife. She was in a new city, had just graduated from university, didn't know anyone... and there he was. They dated for a few months, moved in together after that, got engaged a few months ago, and they'll be married next August.
The thing about dating sites or with meeting people online in general - blessing or curse - is that you tend to end up with people you wouldn't even have considered in meatspace. My sister is a big nervous food-loving woman who comes from a fairly culturally refined background and has a Master's degree in health sciences; her fiance is a rail-skinny laid-back guy from the east coast who got his degree in business agriculture and currently works in a feed mill. He's a gamer who loves sitting at home reading sci-fi books, she likes going out to the theatre and shopping. But they're amazingly happy together, because despite their differences, they want the same things from life.
I didn't meet my boyfriend through a dating site, but the same thing happened with us. We're opposites in almost every way as far as our tastes and social lives and backgrounds go, but we share the same dream of where we want to be five, ten, and fifty years from now. If I had met him in a traditional way - if he had been in one of my classes, say - I would have thought he was a pretentious Chuck-wearing indie boy, and he would have thought I was a broodingly shy antisocial girl with extremely narrow taste in music. And we never would have exchanged more than two words to each other. But through a shared interest online, we got to know each other, and hey, we discovered that we were absolutely compatible in every way. (I even like his music now).
Online dating isn't for everyone. There are creeps and stalkers, sure. But it's certainly no worse than the bar scene, and really, where the fuck *else* do you meet people these days?
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2007
Stalker is such a harsh word. I prefer the term "stealthy admirer".
I have a big problem with online dating. The way most dating sites are structured encourage you to make choices based on unrealistic criteria. You fill out these profiles where you set your age, height, body type, religion, and ethnicity; then you say whether you want to just date or you want a long-term relationship (what if you want both, but only the latter if you find the right person?). Then other people search on that criteria. Then, hopefully, if you match these criteria and you happen to photograph well (news flash: people who photograph well are not necessarily attractive in real life, and vice versa) you get a nibble on your line.
The problem is that those things have fuck-all to do with what I want (and, IMO, with what healthy mature people want) out of a potential partner. I don't care whether you're black or white, skinny or fat, Christian or Buddhist. In fact, I really couldn't give a rats ass. I want to know your values, habits, goals, and dreams. I want to know how much openness versus how much privacy you expect. I want to know what your attitude towards money is. I want to know what your goals are in life. How do you handle the work-life balance? How do you treat your family? How important is friendship to you? Where do you draw the line between helping other people and taking care of yourself? What does sex mean to you? Where do you want to be in five years? What would an ideal world look like to you? What's your idea of the perfect evening? What's your idea of the perfect life?
Show me a dating site that can help me sort people by criteria like these.
Of course, in response to that somebody showed me OKCupid, which does seem to suck a lot less than other dating sites, but I haven't had much of a chance to try it out yet.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
you guys can totally hook up with me though via OKCupid
what other dating site can guarantee that? :winky:
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I've met a lot of girls brand-new from Myspace. Start off with messaging, then progress to MSN, then the phone, then we meet up.
Perth being a relatively small place, degrees of separation apply when meeting new people, and almost without fail I found that the girls I met either knew someone who I knew, or they knew someone who knew someone I knew. Two degrees of separation at most.
The dating sites are pretty bad places to meet people, because people tend to represent themselves in a way thats biased towards dating, whereas on Myspace, people just portray themselves in a fairly normal way. A very positive light, usually, but in a very general way.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
But it's certainly no worse than the bar scene, and really, where the fuck *else* do you meet people these days?
The bus.
Seriously.
I met a beautiful girl on the bus every day this week except Wednesday, and I'm using this long weekend to meet up with all of them. They all seem to share the same interests as me (half an hour bus trip conversation FTW) so we'll see where things go from here. Although, I'm not looking to go out with them as dates, rather just as networking. There is nothing quite like having a lot of female friends when a relationship ends (which I think mine is on the verge of doing), they really do make you feel better about yourself, because they know the right things to say.
I met my soon-to-be husband via the Spring Street personals in early 2003. Turned out we only lived about 3 miles from each other, but our social circles were so different we likely never would have met any other way. Just like any other way to meet people, you take your chances with online ads and the like, but I certainly can't rule it out as a way to meet someone who's right for you!
On a bet I signed up for e-harmony, the site that advertises that it matches based on an elaborate compatability system that doesn't fail.
After going through the process and answering all the questions...well...
It told me it wasn't confident it could match me with anyone and wouldn't allow me to join.
Aside from making myself a "I must be an axe murderer" trophy I did note that the site must not be total bullshit to turn down a member rather than accept them and pair them up with crap.
Ever notice how there's no inter racial couples on eharmonys commercials?
First off, I thought I saw an interracial couple.
Second, even if not, what are you trying to get at? Oh noes, an uncommon occurrence in society isnt reflected in the small sample of examples of a dating sight. THEY MUST BE RACIST!!!
I dunno how good the match-making algorithms are, but there are a lot of really great, normal people who sign up for those things. My ex made a profile on OkCupid, and she's a former Abercrombie model, track star, and current physics grad student at Emory. One of the first-year PhD students in the math dept at my school has an eharmony profile, and she's stunning and charming, as well as brilliant.
Maybe there are a lot of creeps who use those sites, I dunno, but I know for certain that there are some real catches who use them too.
OKCupid is a pretty nice site, I've been part of it for quite awhile now, after a friend pointed it out as one of her ego pages.
Once I even found an old college associate on there, who I would have asked out at some point if I hadn't gone and graduated. Alas, she started seeing someone like a week after I found her. :P
But generally speaking, I'd say that rather than dating-specific sites... sites geared towards your demographic itself, that happen to be open enough for real life to be known and flirting to be possible.
Mostly I just start spending more and more time with a girl. One time, we just spent the entire day together, just chilling around town. At night, we ended up sitting around a park, and we just ended up running out of things to talk about. There was an an awkward silence for like, five minutes, and then I just said, "Kiss?" and she said, "Yeah."
And that pretty much started it.
Also, getting trashed sometimes (often) leads to that sort of thing.
But it's certainly no worse than the bar scene, and really, where the fuck *else* do you meet people these days?
The bus.
Seriously.
I met a beautiful girl on the bus every day this week except Wednesday, and I'm using this long weekend to meet up with all of them. They all seem to share the same interests as me (half an hour bus trip conversation FTW) so we'll see where things go from here. Although, I'm not looking to go out with them as dates, rather just as networking. There is nothing quite like having a lot of female friends when a relationship ends (which I think mine is on the verge of doing), they really do make you feel better about yourself, because they know the right things to say.
Man, if I started asking out people on the bus my long weekend would consist of three dates with old women one with a guy who can't speak English and has more hair coming out of his nostrils than on his head and a beautiful twenty something women who wants to know why I'm not spending more time telling the world about the inevitable coming of the Lord. I hate your bus.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Hell, I'd start telling the world about the coming of the Lord.
If by world, you mean her, and by coming, you mean coming, and by Lord, you mean me.
:winky:
Usually I just say "hey, would you like to kiss me?"
if they say yes, we go. if they say maybe, "lets find out" and we go.
if they say no, "I didn't say you could. you just looked like you were thinking about something"
OKCupid is a pretty nice site, I've been part of it for quite awhile now, after a friend pointed it out as one of her ego pages.
Once I even found an old college associate on there, who I would have asked out at some point if I hadn't gone and graduated. Alas, she started seeing someone like a week after I found her. :P
But generally speaking, I'd say that rather than dating-specific sites... sites geared towards your demographic itself, that happen to be open enough for real life to be known and flirting to be possible.
Then it's just a matter of distance.
Certainly. I've had two successful hookups from these sites (one that actually lasted longer than a week!) - first was from Plentyoffish and the other from OKCupid.
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I'll probably sign up to a dating site after I move in a few months. I won't do it now because there's no point when I don't even know where I'll be moving to. But the way I see it, there's no reason to turn down a chance to meet women, no matter how small a chance it is.
See, maybe it's just me, but I don't find myspace/facebook that great to meet people. Well, you can meet people that you're friend knows, but I don't know anyone that has actually met someone brand spanking new off myspace and the like. Probably has EVERYONE has a profile at this point, and unlike dating sites, people go to social networking sites for many reasons.
I don't put a lot of stock in the matching sites' claims either, and like I said I can't put any stock in OkCupid's matching even because it relies entirely on the user's perception of what their ideal match is-- literally, as you answer hundreds and hundreds of questions, you select also what your ideal match's answer would be,
and it builds the matches off of that.
Now, I know that I don't know what I want, and I don't trust that anyone else on the Internet using a dating website does. So.
I guess it's a good time-killer?
This.
I've tried a few of them on occasion and so far I'm not impressed with much about them. I've found that most of the time it seems to be filled with the kinds of people I was trying to avoid via "typical" dating methods as well. Filled with girls talking about all the "hot doodz" and not really looking for anything serious, etc etc. Or filled with profiles that have literal laundry lists of "requirements" that people should meet before they deem you "worthy" of a reply.
I've had a couple dates based on them, but mostly it will wind up being an e-mail or two thrown back and forth if they even reply.
Really they would be a bit better if there wasn't so much emphasis on "fill in this template and pray". Likewise all the "match systems" they use and gimmicks never seem to do much.
I dunno, I don't think they are either creepy or that useful... just another area to look into, but not a place to plant and stop looking elsewhere.
CREEPY.
Yeah, if it worked for you (especially with little to no freak factor) I don't see why you wouldn't. But I think a lot of it simply has to do with who is on it in your area.
Like, it gives me a very easy way to pick out of the crowd the people who are actively looking for transpeople-- what I unfortunately discovered is that all of those people, like anyone actively looking for a 'type' of person, are just creepy perverts.
Oh well.
They were good at serving that purpose, though-- I guess the fact the people were creepy doesn't diminish the website's ability to bring together otherwise unlikely-to-intersect individuals.
Same.
My sister met her fiance through Lavalife. She was in a new city, had just graduated from university, didn't know anyone... and there he was. They dated for a few months, moved in together after that, got engaged a few months ago, and they'll be married next August.
The thing about dating sites or with meeting people online in general - blessing or curse - is that you tend to end up with people you wouldn't even have considered in meatspace. My sister is a big nervous food-loving woman who comes from a fairly culturally refined background and has a Master's degree in health sciences; her fiance is a rail-skinny laid-back guy from the east coast who got his degree in business agriculture and currently works in a feed mill. He's a gamer who loves sitting at home reading sci-fi books, she likes going out to the theatre and shopping. But they're amazingly happy together, because despite their differences, they want the same things from life.
I didn't meet my boyfriend through a dating site, but the same thing happened with us. We're opposites in almost every way as far as our tastes and social lives and backgrounds go, but we share the same dream of where we want to be five, ten, and fifty years from now. If I had met him in a traditional way - if he had been in one of my classes, say - I would have thought he was a pretentious Chuck-wearing indie boy, and he would have thought I was a broodingly shy antisocial girl with extremely narrow taste in music. And we never would have exchanged more than two words to each other. But through a shared interest online, we got to know each other, and hey, we discovered that we were absolutely compatible in every way. (I even like his music now).
Online dating isn't for everyone. There are creeps and stalkers, sure. But it's certainly no worse than the bar scene, and really, where the fuck *else* do you meet people these days?
Of course, in response to that somebody showed me OKCupid, which does seem to suck a lot less than other dating sites, but I haven't had much of a chance to try it out yet.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
what other dating site can guarantee that? :winky:
Perth being a relatively small place, degrees of separation apply when meeting new people, and almost without fail I found that the girls I met either knew someone who I knew, or they knew someone who knew someone I knew. Two degrees of separation at most.
The dating sites are pretty bad places to meet people, because people tend to represent themselves in a way thats biased towards dating, whereas on Myspace, people just portray themselves in a fairly normal way. A very positive light, usually, but in a very general way.
The bus.
Seriously.
I met a beautiful girl on the bus every day this week except Wednesday, and I'm using this long weekend to meet up with all of them. They all seem to share the same interests as me (half an hour bus trip conversation FTW) so we'll see where things go from here. Although, I'm not looking to go out with them as dates, rather just as networking. There is nothing quite like having a lot of female friends when a relationship ends (which I think mine is on the verge of doing), they really do make you feel better about yourself, because they know the right things to say.
After going through the process and answering all the questions...well...
It told me it wasn't confident it could match me with anyone and wouldn't allow me to join.
Aside from making myself a "I must be an axe murderer" trophy I did note that the site must not be total bullshit to turn down a member rather than accept them and pair them up with crap.
Oh, and I lost the bet.
No homosexuals
No married folks
Noone whos been married more than, like, 3 times i think
Noone under the age of 25 I think.
ones married now, ones engaged
both are the finest sort of ladies
that's the way it was with me at least. my friend's wife, who he met online, is really cool.
First off, I thought I saw an interracial couple.
Second, even if not, what are you trying to get at? Oh noes, an uncommon occurrence in society isnt reflected in the small sample of examples of a dating sight. THEY MUST BE RACIST!!!
I keed!
God I hate dating, I really do.
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"Hey, do you like oral sex?"
Maybe there are a lot of creeps who use those sites, I dunno, but I know for certain that there are some real catches who use them too.
Once I even found an old college associate on there, who I would have asked out at some point if I hadn't gone and graduated. Alas, she started seeing someone like a week after I found her. :P
But generally speaking, I'd say that rather than dating-specific sites... sites geared towards your demographic itself, that happen to be open enough for real life to be known and flirting to be possible.
Then it's just a matter of distance.
Mostly I just start spending more and more time with a girl. One time, we just spent the entire day together, just chilling around town. At night, we ended up sitting around a park, and we just ended up running out of things to talk about. There was an an awkward silence for like, five minutes, and then I just said, "Kiss?" and she said, "Yeah."
And that pretty much started it.
Also, getting trashed sometimes (often) leads to that sort of thing.
Man, if I started asking out people on the bus my long weekend would consist of three dates with old women one with a guy who can't speak English and has more hair coming out of his nostrils than on his head and a beautiful twenty something women who wants to know why I'm not spending more time telling the world about the inevitable coming of the Lord. I hate your bus.
If by world, you mean her, and by coming, you mean coming, and by Lord, you mean me.
:winky:
Usually I just say "hey, would you like to kiss me?"
if they say yes, we go. if they say maybe, "lets find out" and we go.
if they say no, "I didn't say you could. you just looked like you were thinking about something"
Certainly. I've had two successful hookups from these sites (one that actually lasted longer than a week!) - first was from Plentyoffish and the other from OKCupid.