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Hillary Clinton has climbed into first place in a new Des Moines Register poll of Iowans expected to participate in the state's Democratic presidential caucuses, with John Edwards and Barack Obama both in striking distance. The Iowa Poll shows 29 percent of likely caucusgoers preferring Clinton, a New York senator, an improvement from the Register's most recent poll in May. Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, was the choice of 23 percent in the new poll, slipping from the top spot since the May survey to nearly even with Obama. Obama, an Illinois senator, was at 22 percent , virtually unchanged from May.
So it would seem that the inevitability factor is increasing even further for Hillary. Afterall, national polls are less important before the first few primaries leading into Super Tuesday as the media coverage and shakeup if Edwards or Obama wins Iowa and/or New Hampshire would likely change national perceptions. Things are going to get interesting since this is when everything actually matters. Or, at least, it matters a good deal more than what it meant when this campaign season started. 4 years ago...
Still building their political machinery and foundations to win votes. Clinton was done with that, outside of Iowa anyhow, a decade ago. Plus I don't think she's going to shriek anytime soon. It's her race to lose and she's making sure to present herself in a way that doesn't lose. She may not necessarily win any debates, but so long as there aren't any upsets with the lower tier and the status quo remains then she wins the nomination. Likely the general too, given the fray that the GOP is going through.
Clinton firming up her lead on the left seems to have put her in better position against likely republican challengers. She has five and a half points on Guiliani, almost eleven on Thompson, four and a half on McCain and almost twelve on Romney.
Yeah, Shinto, I could see where not frontloading the primaries would probably make a huge difference this election, with the candidates practically coronated already.
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One candidate. The Republican one is still up for grabs- the media says Rudy, but my analysis says Romney, with Thompson in the thick of it.
And you never know the effect that departing candidates will have, and how their votes break.
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Hillary may well make a good president, but goddam, isn't anyone else sick of the same old families at the top? This is taking brand loyalty that little too far!
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At least this will be the last one. Nobody's going to put Jeb or Chelsea in anytime soon.
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Yeah, Shinto, I could see where not frontloading the primaries would probably make a huge difference this election, with the candidates practically coronated already.
Well, Hillary has solidified her position with the Democrats, but I get the feeling that is a mix of her being better than people thought and Obama and Edwards being less great than expected.
On the Republican side it is pretty messy. Guiliani is ostensibly the candidate consensus is growing around, but Romney looks like he will win IA, NH and MI (which moved its primary up) and Fred Thompson looks set to take SC.
Even if Guiliani survives not winning any of the early states, there is still the threat of a third party evangelical challenge if he is nominated. It's a shaky place to be in for him.
Hillary may well make a good president, but goddam, isn't anyone else sick of the same old families at the top? This is taking brand loyalty that little too far!
I feel like this is more a criticism that is valid for the Bush's than the Clintons. I mean, one of these groups is an old money New England political dynasty of aristocrats and the other is a bright couple who got were they are mainly on merit.
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Right, but I can see a world where someone puts Jeb up for election. Chelsea, not so much, but I don't think Jeb running is that far out of the question.
I don't think it is that far out of the question either. He's only 54.
He can run, but do you honestly think he'd have a shot? Not only would he have to deal with his own record, which isn't so shit hot, but he'd have his brother's baggage on top of it.
We'll need at least two election cycles to get the stink of Bush out of the public's eye, and I'm betting even then that the Bush brand will be poison. By the time a Bush in office is a tenable proposition, Jeb may no longer be in the spotlight.
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I don't think it is that far out of the question either. He's only 54.
He can run, but do you honestly think he'd have a shot? Not only would he have to deal with his own record, which isn't so shit hot, but he'd have his brother's baggage on top of it.
How Bush's presidency looks in, say, 2012 or 2016 is going to depend on what happens in the intervening years.
Like, say, pulling out of Iraq sparks a regional war, gas jumps to four and a half bucks per gallon, there is a terrorist attack, the economy goes into recession and we end up right back in the middle east.
That isn't a particularly unlikely scenario and it would take some of the edge off of Bush in retrospect. People would say in retrospect that his tax cuts had kept the economy strong, he prevented any other terrorist attacks after 9/11 and maybe not pulling out of Iraq was the right thing.
Jeb is pretty good with non-traditional GOP voters too, so if the party is looking for someone to lead it back into the majority after a few years of hatin' the brown people takin' their jerbs . . .
She has yet to spell out much of her policy platform, including on such vital issues as tax or climate change; and has suspiciously meddlesome tendencies. She has already retreated alarmingly from her husband's commitment to free trade.
Can anyone clarify this last bit for me? I just sort of assumed Hillary was Bill version 2.0 on domestic policy, but this worries me. I don't care if Hillary takes back Bush's tax cuts, I'm actually in favor of that. But if she plans to roll back NAFTA or something I may have to start looking at a new candidate.
She has yet to spell out much of her policy platform, including on such vital issues as tax or climate change; and has suspiciously meddlesome tendencies. She has already retreated alarmingly from her husband's commitment to free trade.
Can anyone clarify this last bit for me? I just sort of assumed Hillary was Bill version 2.0 on domestic policy, but this worries me. I don't care if Hillary takes back Bush's tax cuts, I'm actually in favor of that. But if she plans to roll back NAFTA or something I may have to start looking at a new candidate.
It's hard to tell because she is in the midst of the primaries.
From direct quotes all I gather is that she wants to drive harder deals with other countries to make sure that in addition to them getting access to our domestic market, we also get access to theirs instead of allowing them some kind of protectionist blanket.
Neo-liberal media like The Economist tend hyperventilate over this kind of thing when there isn't anything to really be concerned about.
Yeah, Shinto, I could see where not frontloading the primaries would probably make a huge difference this election, with the candidates practically coronated already.
Well, Hillary has solidified her position with the Democrats, but I get the feeling that is a mix of her being better than people thought and Obama and Edwards being less great than expected.
On the Republican side it is pretty messy. Guiliani is ostensibly the candidate consensus is growing around, but Romney looks like he will win IA, NH and MI (which moved its primary up) and Fred Thompson looks set to take SC.
Even if Guiliani survives not winning any of the early states, there is still the threat of a third party evangelical challenge if he is nominated. It's a shaky place to be in for him.
I can only hope Guiliana gets the nomination, and we can look back and see that as the point that all this Christian bullshit just fucking left politics. If those crazy bastards back a third party candidate, I could easily fathom them being just another negligible minority from now on.
You fear him winning? It seems to me that all the time he's spent fellating Bush over the past year will really bit him in the ass when it comes to the general election. That's at least partially why Ron Paul has such (read: terrifying) supporters: they're just fucking sick of Bush.
You fear him winning? It seems to me that all the time he's spent fellating Bush over the past year will really bit him in the ass when it comes to the general election. That's at least partially why Ron Paul has such (read: terrifying) supporters: they're just fucking sick of Bush.
That's my read of it, anyways.
I don't fear Rudy mainly because his national image is mainly due to a bucket of "9/11" brand whitewash. The intense spotlight of the campaign will burn through that, and a lot of people will find out why he's not well liked in NY.
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
I dunno. I mean, he put the command and control center for New York in the heart of a previously bombed and declared terrorist target needlessly risking lives when 9-11 actually happened, and the whole 'freedom means do what I tell you to do' won't grant him any favours that Mrs. Marilyn Monroe will. Not to mention the estranged wives and kids.
I dunno. I mean, he put the command and control center for New York in the heart of a previously bombed and declared terrorist target needlessly risking lives when 9-11 actually happened, and the whole 'freedom means do what I tell you to do' won't grant him any favours that Mrs. Marilyn Monroe will. Not to mention the estranged wives and kids.
Heh. Estranged is...well, I don't think there's a word stronger than "gross understatement", is there?
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
Absolutely. We've seen how elegantly and masterfully the Democrats can sling mud, particularly when entirely warranted.
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
Absolutely. We've seen how elegantly and masterfully the Democrats can sling mud, particularly when entirely warranted.
The one thing with Rudy as the GOP candidate is that the GOP starts with writing off the black vote and quite possibly the minority vote.
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
Absolutely. We've seen how elegantly and masterfully the Democrats can sling mud, particularly when entirely warranted.
The one thing with Rudy as the GOP candidate is that the GOP starts with writing off the black vote and quite possibly the minority vote.
There's a ton of people who are just fucking ignorant of all that. A huge chunk of the electorate just doesn't give a shit about the primary and what is said in it. If Hillary the polarizer gets the Dem nomination and Rudy manages to pass himself off as a quirky, moderate Republican and a lovable dude--the cross-dressing thing, I think, can only help him in the primary, as it shows that he's not an old stick-in-the-mud--I am concerned at what could happen.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
Absolutely. We've seen how elegantly and masterfully the Democrats can sling mud, particularly when entirely warranted.
The one thing with Rudy as the GOP candidate is that the GOP starts with writing off the black vote and quite possibly the minority vote.
Which is unique to Rudy...how?
Well, it's more that the few halting attempts by the GOP to reach out to blacks would pretty much be erased.
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And you never know the effect that departing candidates will have, and how their votes break.
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Well, Hillary has solidified her position with the Democrats, but I get the feeling that is a mix of her being better than people thought and Obama and Edwards being less great than expected.
On the Republican side it is pretty messy. Guiliani is ostensibly the candidate consensus is growing around, but Romney looks like he will win IA, NH and MI (which moved its primary up) and Fred Thompson looks set to take SC.
Even if Guiliani survives not winning any of the early states, there is still the threat of a third party evangelical challenge if he is nominated. It's a shaky place to be in for him.
I feel like this is more a criticism that is valid for the Bush's than the Clintons. I mean, one of these groups is an old money New England political dynasty of aristocrats and the other is a bright couple who got were they are mainly on merit.
Right, but I can see a world where someone puts Jeb up for election. Chelsea, not so much, but I don't think Jeb running is that far out of the question.
He can run, but do you honestly think he'd have a shot? Not only would he have to deal with his own record, which isn't so shit hot, but he'd have his brother's baggage on top of it.
How Bush's presidency looks in, say, 2012 or 2016 is going to depend on what happens in the intervening years.
Like, say, pulling out of Iraq sparks a regional war, gas jumps to four and a half bucks per gallon, there is a terrorist attack, the economy goes into recession and we end up right back in the middle east.
That isn't a particularly unlikely scenario and it would take some of the edge off of Bush in retrospect. People would say in retrospect that his tax cuts had kept the economy strong, he prevented any other terrorist attacks after 9/11 and maybe not pulling out of Iraq was the right thing.
Jeb is pretty good with non-traditional GOP voters too, so if the party is looking for someone to lead it back into the majority after a few years of hatin' the brown people takin' their jerbs . . .
Can anyone clarify this last bit for me? I just sort of assumed Hillary was Bill version 2.0 on domestic policy, but this worries me. I don't care if Hillary takes back Bush's tax cuts, I'm actually in favor of that. But if she plans to roll back NAFTA or something I may have to start looking at a new candidate.
It's hard to tell because she is in the midst of the primaries.
From direct quotes all I gather is that she wants to drive harder deals with other countries to make sure that in addition to them getting access to our domestic market, we also get access to theirs instead of allowing them some kind of protectionist blanket.
Neo-liberal media like The Economist tend hyperventilate over this kind of thing when there isn't anything to really be concerned about.
That's too good to be real....right? Right!
I can only hope Guiliana gets the nomination, and we can look back and see that as the point that all this Christian bullshit just fucking left politics. If those crazy bastards back a third party candidate, I could easily fathom them being just another negligible minority from now on.
God, I hope that happens.
He's the one I most want not to win the presidency, but he's the one I most want to win the Republican nomination.
He's also the only Republican I fear re: chances of winning the general election.
That's my read of it, anyways.
I don't fear Rudy mainly because his national image is mainly due to a bucket of "9/11" brand whitewash. The intense spotlight of the campaign will burn through that, and a lot of people will find out why he's not well liked in NY.
Loren, you don't think people are going to be more than happy to remind people that this is a man who is a racist, had a police comissioner who defined corrupt, and should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the levers of power?
Heh. Estranged is...well, I don't think there's a word stronger than "gross understatement", is there?
That about sums it up for me.
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Absolutely. We've seen how elegantly and masterfully the Democrats can sling mud, particularly when entirely warranted.
The one thing with Rudy as the GOP candidate is that the GOP starts with writing off the black vote and quite possibly the minority vote.
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They've been writing off the black vote for decades.
Which minority vote?
Which is unique to Rudy...how?
Take your pick.
Well, it's more that the few halting attempts by the GOP to reach out to blacks would pretty much be erased.