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Ethical Wills - What values will you pass on to the next generation?

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edited October 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
From Cool Tools:
An ethical will is a good-bye letter that sums up your life's aims. You write this will in order to pass on your values instead of your valuables. It is not legally binding. It is not a living will, either, which is no more than an final care directive. An ethical will, instead, is closer to advice. It is a re-statement of the lessons you learned in life.

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When you die you'll leave behind a long trail of textual bits scattered over the world (or all over this forum - F), but what you should leave is a distilled succinct package, a one-page, 5-minute testimony of you being you, so that if the rest of your recorded self should disappear, at least we'll know what you thought was important. And I can promise you this, you'll learn something doing it.

I guess you could also call this a personal philosophy, or manifesto. I'll post mine later (or maybe tomorrow if I have time)... but in the meantime, what would your ethical will look like?

every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'd probably try to keep it simple and short... but some basic stuff is my argument about skepticism and dogmatism, and the primacy of suffering and joy where our ethical intuitions are concerned.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I would pass on that sex is a beautiful thing, a shared pleasure, not a sin, no matter what ANYONE says.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm going to go with: "Don't be a dick."

    Everything else pretty much follows.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2007
    hmmm. guess that'd make writing the eulogy an easier task for whoever gets stuck with it :P

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    "Don't get between husband and wife."

    i.e. stay out of other people's relationship problems.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Don't scratch it you'll only make it worse"

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I will reveal that I am really alive and that my death was a hoax to see which family members got all uppity about my inheritance.

    A few moments later I will say that I was just kidding and am really dead. I will then go on to explain the importance of having a good sense of humor.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    so much of the time, the points I try to get across to people run along the lines of "relax".

    so that's be my basis. It's life. It's just life. relax. love and relax. avoid anger, and more importantly don't let it be the core of any of your actions.

    The golden rule is almost painfully perfect as a guideline for life, so I'd throw that down.

    stress general importance of communication as well as knowledge and art/creativity. I don't quite live this way, but I recently heard someone say that you should create something every day. I think it was a painter. whatever. it's a great great ideal to live by, though I'm straying from ethics here, I'd still write that down.

    I have lots of stuff non-ethical that I'd get into but it's not really important for this topic.

    relaxation (not like kicking back, but keeping an open mind and open heart) + communication.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "if someone is cruel to animals it is perfectly acceptable to brutally murder them"

    sounds cold-hearted, and I've mentioned this a lot, but I heard about a gang of 8-10 year olds who cornered a kitten and tortured it to death. If I had been there witnessing it, I don't know if I could have stopped myself from seriously harming or killing them.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    "if someone is cruel to animals it is perfectly acceptable to brutally murder them"

    sounds cold-hearted, and I've mentioned this a lot, but I heard about a gang of 8-10 year olds who cornered a kitten and tortured it to death. If I had been there witnessing it, I don't know if I could have stopped myself from seriously harming or killing them.

    so your reaction to an extreme situation is what you want to pass on as your legacy?

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Variable wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    "if someone is cruel to animals it is perfectly acceptable to brutally murder them"

    sounds cold-hearted, and I've mentioned this a lot, but I heard about a gang of 8-10 year olds who cornered a kitten and tortured it to death. If I had been there witnessing it, I don't know if I could have stopped myself from seriously harming or killing them.

    so your reaction to an extreme situation is what you want to pass on as your legacy?

    point taken.

    but then again, in an ideal world no one would get in trouble for doing something like that, so perhaps that could be part of my legacy.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Honesty is always the best policy" is a load of bullshit. People who are honest are not paragons of virtue; in general, they're just enormous douchebags, using "honesty" as an excuse.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    "Honesty is always the best policy" is a load of bullshit. People who are honest are not paragons of virtue; in general, they're just enormous douchebags, using "honesty" as an excuse.

    oh god yes I agree with this. People who say "hey, I'm just being honest" usually say it immediately following a torrent of brutal, unnecessary criticism.

    Its just as bad as "no offence intended, but...*Offensive statement*"

    A better phrasing for it would be "Try not to lie".

    Because there are circumstances where it is ok to "lie".

    If my girlfriend says to me "does this dress make me look fat?", and it DOES, the correct answer is not Yes. Nor is it "no". The correct answer is, "you know, I only just realised how beautiful you look." completely unrelated, and hardly honest, but its certainly the most pleasing answer.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Worship Zeus and recognize his primacy, or he shall strike you down in your hubris."

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  • Lord Of The PantsLord Of The Pants Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Don't Lie
    Don't Steal
    Don't Kill
    Don't Fuck Your Shit Up With Drugs.

    And do all of the above in a positive way for the right reasons.

    Also:

    Fuck as many women as you can, the young stuff is the best stuff, I have NO reason to lie to you.

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Don't let other people do your thinking for you.

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  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Perhaps it's better to say "Don't harm anybody by lying", though I think telling the truth as a default is preferable because it's good to be considered trustworthy.
    How else are you going to betray them and take their stuff?:twisted:

    As for me, I'll likely leave as much good advice as I will money: none. It'll probably just be inconsequential but useful tips about life, such as "learn to accept it when you're wrong, because you frequently will be".

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Nothing cannot be overcome given adequate time to prepare.

    And if your only available options are a long-shot or certain doom, go all in and call.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    "Everything in moderation."

    I think that sums up the way I live my life, anyway.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Public Service. Public Service Public Service Public Service.

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  • Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Hmm. I think mine would be

    "Society can blame all it wants on how Japan warps peoples minds, but when you see the first time a kid becomes the Otaku by buying that one figure, you realize how little you should care for the opinions of religious bloated fools, self-rightious bags who do nothing but wish that their way of life was the way it goes and nay-says who will berate you no matter what.

    By buying that one figure, by the expression on his/her face as he looks at the figure, you realize that all is right in the work and nothign bad can come of this. So fear not to become Otaku's and engage others to join in on the fun. The happiness, the laughter, the sadness and the anger all make like better as you have fun with your friends who share the same things. So enjoy life, live life to the fullest and forget what society says. Society will crumble, but Man will always be there."

    I think thats pretty nice.

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  • templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I think the easiest way to devise a consist moral system is "always value others". I was going to say "other people", but there are animals more deserving than some people I know.

    Just be considerate in general, and you'll always know the right choice.

    I have a much more formal and complicated ethical system, but it wouldn't be as snappy an epitaph.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm going to go with: "Don't be a dick."

    Everything else pretty much follows.

    This. Also, "it's not as hard as you think."

    You can interpret that one either way, I suppose.

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  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Just live.

    One of my favorite Modest Mouse songs has the lines

    It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember we're alive
    For the first time
    It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember we're alive
    For the last time
    It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember to live
    Before you die


    Just being alive is so strange in itself, take it and run with it. Climb fences. Get mud on your pants. Ignore "No Trespassing" signs. Take trains to random destinations. Talk to strangers. Go on adventures. If none present themselves, make your own.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Hmm. I think mine would be

    "Society can blame all it wants on how Japan warps peoples minds, but when you see the first time a kid becomes the Otaku by buying that one figure, you realize how little you should care for the opinions of religious bloated fools, self-rightious bags who do nothing but wish that their way of life was the way it goes and nay-says who will berate you no matter what.

    By buying that one figure, by the expression on his/her face as he looks at the figure, you realize that all is right in the work and nothign bad can come of this. So fear not to become Otaku's and engage others to join in on the fun. The happiness, the laughter, the sadness and the anger all make like better as you have fun with your friends who share the same things. So enjoy life, live life to the fullest and forget what society says. Society will crumble, but Man will always be there."

    I think thats pretty nice.

    Apart from the whole "other people aren't real and if they ever question anything you do they're just assholes who still aren't real" message, sure. Because that part's not nice at all so much as it's advising people to be collosal pricks. Letting a single hobby rule your life is like smoking a carton of Marlboro reds a day for your soul.

    Actually, that last line is another ideal I'd like to pass on. Letting any single hobby rule your life is like smoking a carton a day for your soul. Whether it be anime, cars, videogames, comic-books, cocaine or whatever.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2007
    "Never stop being curious, never stop thirsting for knowledge."

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "I would say good-bye, 'twere I not to remind myself to never say good-bye, but rather, good journey.

    Live the journey. For every destination is but a doorway to another."

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Don't touch any of my stuff after I'm buried, you parasites. Especially you, Billy.

    Alternatively

    Do more with less and relish the extras.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    know thyself.

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  • SinWithSebastianSinWithSebastian Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Everything in moderation."

    I think that sums up the way I live my life, anyway.
    "Moderation is for monks. Everything in excess!"

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Always ask questions.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Pace yourself.
    Be patient.
    Smile.
    Listen.
    Pay attention.


    Look around you.

    Everyone you see will someday lose everything they ever cared for.

    Be kind to them in the meantime.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Beer is good.
    Be spontaneous.
    Ask 'Why?'
    Work hard.
    Don't work too hard.
    Drive fast.
    Take chances."

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2007
    Be kind
    Be kind
    Be kind

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "Never stop being curious, never stop thirsting for knowledge."

    Also "Pants are for the weak"

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Don't take yourself, or anyone else, seriously. We're all on a wild and crazy trip, just try to make the best of it for yourself and others.

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  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Be kind
    Be kind
    Be kind

    "Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- 'God damn it, you've got to be kind.'"

    Also from Vonnegut:

    "...a purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved."

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Public Service. Public Service Public Service Public Service.

    Why?

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Plastics my boy. Plastics.

    also:
    Be excellent unto each other.

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