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Credit card checker: Legal?

DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
edited October 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
What the hell? is this legal?

http://www.ashkon.com/ccc.html

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    LUHN10 checksum algorithm.

    Credit Card numbers contain quite a lot of information in the digits without having to go to any outside source.

    Still not something I'd input any card I owned into.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I like how the first paragraph is followed by ads for "Free Credit Card Numbers" and "Credit Card Generators".

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I would write my own checker before I would put my card number in to this one. :P

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I like how the first paragraph is followed by ads for "Free Credit Card Numbers" and "Credit Card Generators".

    I like how the first paragraph has the grammar and layout style of a korean computer fraud expert.

    Easy Credit Card Checker allows you instantly check credit card number for validity. It can verify Visa, MasterCard, Diners Club, Carte Blanche, EnRoute, American Express (AMEX), Discover, JCB and other credit card numbers. Easy Credit Card Checker uses LUHN10 algorithm (except EnRoute) as well as first digits verification.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I like how the first paragraph is followed by ads for "Free Credit Card Numbers" and "Credit Card Generators".

    I like how the first paragraph has the grammar and layout style of a korean computer fraud expert.

    Easy Credit Card Checker allows you instantly check credit card number for validity. It can verify Visa, MasterCard, Diners Club, Carte Blanche, EnRoute, American Express (AMEX), Discover, JCB and other credit card numbers. Easy Credit Card Checker uses LUHN10 algorithm (except EnRoute) as well as first digits verification.

    And the domain is registered to Dmitri Grandmaison in Bellevue, WA. When I whoised I expected something in Korea. D:

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

    Yeah, the impression I'm getting here is that you don't enter your CC number into it.

    Right, I suspect it's intended to be used for merchants/on-line sellers to verify their customers' credit card numbers. And, I suppose, that could be done safely, if the application simply uses an algorithm to check the number and doesn't actually store the number for later.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

    Yeah, the impression I'm getting here is that you don't enter your CC number into it.

    Right, I suspect it's intended to be used for merchants/on-line sellers to verify their customers' credit card numbers. And, I suppose, that could be done safely, if the application simply uses an algorithm to check the number and doesn't actually store the number for later.

    Merchants don't need something like this because they connect straight to the card companies.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

    Yeah, the impression I'm getting here is that you don't enter your CC number into it.

    Right, I suspect it's intended to be used for merchants/on-line sellers to verify their customers' credit card numbers. And, I suppose, that could be done safely, if the application simply uses an algorithm to check the number and doesn't actually store the number for later.

    Merchants don't need something like this because they connect straight to the card companies.
    It's more to type a random sequence in and see if it's a valid card number.

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  • Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Right Here, Right Now Drives a BuickModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2007
    There is absolutely nothing legal about this, there can't be.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    MKR wrote: »
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

    Yeah, the impression I'm getting here is that you don't enter your CC number into it.

    Right, I suspect it's intended to be used for merchants/on-line sellers to verify their customers' credit card numbers. And, I suppose, that could be done safely, if the application simply uses an algorithm to check the number and doesn't actually store the number for later.

    Merchants don't need something like this because they connect straight to the card companies.
    It's more to type a random sequence in and see if it's a valid card number.

    But it won't do you any good, because actual retailers will check against the credit card company's own database. Even if it's syntacticly valid, they still need information you can't get from the number, like valid until date and card holder name.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    Merchants don't need something like this because they connect straight to the card companies.

    I was trying to be optimistic.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    How is it possibly illegal??

    The number sequence used to generate valid card numbers is easy enough to find.. There is math involved to take a given account number, and know, before even connecting to a cc processor what card type it is, and if the number is even valid.

    THEN the check to see if the account is live, matches to the exp. date, and has enough money.

    They aren't even asking for a exp date or the validation code. Even if they did, and you were stupid enough to add it all.. its not illegal to collect CC info... its only illegal if you try to make a fraudulent charge.

    Conversely, i can generate thousands of CC numbers right now. the odds are very small that i could guess the proper exp date, and verification code, and process a charge.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Nothing says trustworthy like inputing credit card details into some random application!

    Yeah, the impression I'm getting here is that you don't enter your CC number into it.

    Right, I suspect it's intended to be used for merchants/on-line sellers to verify their customers' credit card numbers. And, I suppose, that could be done safely, if the application simply uses an algorithm to check the number and doesn't actually store the number for later.

    Bingo. I've used these when taking CC numbers over the phone. As I recall, it was something to do with our card processor charging a transaction fee even if we submitted an invalid card number.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Yeah, I figured the legitimate use for this would be something along these lines. That or for merchants that don't have actual terminals, but rather still run the card on paper with an imprinter.

    I ran into one of those the other day.

    I was like O_o. "You people exist?"

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Yeah, I figured the legitimate use for this would be something along these lines. That or for merchants that don't have actual terminals, but rather still run the card on paper with an imprinter.

    I ran into one of those the other day.

    I was like O_o. "You people exist?"

    CompUSA and CC still use them, don't they?

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    edited October 2007
    mcdermott wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Yeah, I figured the legitimate use for this would be something along these lines. That or for merchants that don't have actual terminals, but rather still run the card on paper with an imprinter.

    I ran into one of those the other day.

    I was like O_o. "You people exist?"

    CompUSA and CC still use them, don't they?

    I don't think they do, at least not for "normal" transaction. Pretty much any major retailer will have actual terminals. It's more common either with incredibly small local stores, or more common at places like flea markets or gun shows. Though obviously not exactly "common" there either, since most sellers would rather just take cash or check than risk getting burned on a bad credit card.

    I think I've also seen this at seasonal kiosks at malls as well.

    They're good to have around in case the merchant verification system ever craps out, like say from a power or network outage.
    But yeah not only is there a greater risk of fraud, the merchant verification fees are higher when you use those.

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  • MuncieMuncie Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    This seems like a pretty simple algorithm checker. Just about every cart system on the internet will check the card number against the algorithm to see if it's a number that could be valid or if it's either typoed or made up.

    Nothing illegal about it. It's like front-line credit card validation and unless that program stores the cc data or connects somewhere to send it off, it's most likely harmless, but kinda useless. Just about anyone with a little coding experience could do the same thing and I'm sure you could find some free ones on the internet.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Muncie wrote: »
    This seems like a pretty simple algorithm checker. Just about every cart system on the internet will check the card number against the algorithm to see if it's a number that could be valid or if it's either typoed or made up.

    Nothing illegal about it. It's like front-line credit card validation and unless that program stores the cc data or connects somewhere to send it off, it's most likely harmless, but kinda useless. Just about anyone with a little coding experience could do the same thing and I'm sure you could find some free ones on the internet.

    Just the same, I wouldn't trust my credit card information to something like that unless I wrote it myself or compiled it from source code that I looked through myself; I mean, obviously.

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