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The letter to Limbaugh
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So what does D&D make of this? Rush is a conservative talking head, and has been blasted by people for words of his that were taken out of context.
I personally dislike that congress went after him. It seems like a desperate attempt to smear more mud (there's currently plenty of crap to use against the right, you don't need to make shit up to beat them down right now) on the conservatives, as Limbaugh is more or less a figurehead for the right.
Scathing Limbaugh Letter Nets $2.1M
By BRIAN SKOLOFF – 1 hour ago
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A letter from Democratic senators blasting conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh for using the phrase "phony soldiers" on his program was sold Friday on eBay for a record $2.1 million.
A private foundation made the winning bid, which eBay spokeswoman Catherine England said set a record for the most expensive item sold for charity by the online auctioneer.
Limbaugh's comment during his radio show last month drew broad criticism from Democrats, who said he was smearing soldiers opposed to the Iraq war. Limbaugh and other conservatives responded with outrage of their own, saying Democrats were mischaracterizing comments aimed at one particular former soldier who lied about his service.
The Oct. 2 letter to Clear Channel Communications Inc. sought an apology from Limbaugh and a public repudiation from the company. It was signed by 41 senators, including Majority Leader Harry Reid and presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Chris Dodd.
The letter from the senators called Limbaugh's comments against "troops who oppose the war ... an outrage."
"It is unconscionable that Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech," the letter read.
Limbaugh said in a Fox News interview Thursday that the letter symbolized "the greatest example" of Congress "singling out a private citizen for abuse and censorship."
On his show Friday, Limbaugh said proceeds from the sale, and a matching $2.1 million from his own pocket, would go to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, which provides scholarships to children of Marines or federal law enforcement personnel who were killed while serving their country.
The winning bid came from the Maryland-based Eugene B. Casey Foundation, according to the group. The foundation, which lists assets of $294 million in its latest IRS filing, was established by Casey, a real estate developer, and is run primarily by his widow, Betty.
The foundation's largest grants during its last fiscal year included $4.9 million to a Bethesda, Md., hospital, $3.5 million to the Washington Opera and $850,000 to the American Arts Network. It also gave $110,000 to the Salvation Army and $100,000 grants to a Washington public television and radio station and Salute America's Heroes, which helps wounded soldiers. There were no reported grants to political organizations.
"The Eugene B. Casey Foundation believes freedom of speech is a basic right of every citizen of this country," the group said in a news release Friday.
In the segment where Limbaugh made the "phony soldiers" comment, he discussed Jesse Macbeth, who was sentenced to five months in prison last month for faking his military service. The Tacoma, Wash., man was kicked out of the Army after six weeks at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003, but he later claimed to have participated in war crimes in Iraq and tried to position himself as a leader of the anti-war movement.
Limbaugh has said he was referring only to Macbeth when he discussed "phony soldiers."
What are your thoughts on this D&D?
Edit: (link to the article)
I personally dislike that congress went after him. It seems like a desperate attempt to smear more mud (there's currently plenty of crap to use against the right, you don't need to make shit up to beat them down right now) on the conservatives, as Limbaugh is more or less a figurehead for the right.
Scathing Limbaugh Letter Nets $2.1M
By BRIAN SKOLOFF – 1 hour ago
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A letter from Democratic senators blasting conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh for using the phrase "phony soldiers" on his program was sold Friday on eBay for a record $2.1 million.
A private foundation made the winning bid, which eBay spokeswoman Catherine England said set a record for the most expensive item sold for charity by the online auctioneer.
Limbaugh's comment during his radio show last month drew broad criticism from Democrats, who said he was smearing soldiers opposed to the Iraq war. Limbaugh and other conservatives responded with outrage of their own, saying Democrats were mischaracterizing comments aimed at one particular former soldier who lied about his service.
The Oct. 2 letter to Clear Channel Communications Inc. sought an apology from Limbaugh and a public repudiation from the company. It was signed by 41 senators, including Majority Leader Harry Reid and presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Chris Dodd.
The letter from the senators called Limbaugh's comments against "troops who oppose the war ... an outrage."
"It is unconscionable that Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech," the letter read.
Limbaugh said in a Fox News interview Thursday that the letter symbolized "the greatest example" of Congress "singling out a private citizen for abuse and censorship."
On his show Friday, Limbaugh said proceeds from the sale, and a matching $2.1 million from his own pocket, would go to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, which provides scholarships to children of Marines or federal law enforcement personnel who were killed while serving their country.
The winning bid came from the Maryland-based Eugene B. Casey Foundation, according to the group. The foundation, which lists assets of $294 million in its latest IRS filing, was established by Casey, a real estate developer, and is run primarily by his widow, Betty.
The foundation's largest grants during its last fiscal year included $4.9 million to a Bethesda, Md., hospital, $3.5 million to the Washington Opera and $850,000 to the American Arts Network. It also gave $110,000 to the Salvation Army and $100,000 grants to a Washington public television and radio station and Salute America's Heroes, which helps wounded soldiers. There were no reported grants to political organizations.
"The Eugene B. Casey Foundation believes freedom of speech is a basic right of every citizen of this country," the group said in a news release Friday.
In the segment where Limbaugh made the "phony soldiers" comment, he discussed Jesse Macbeth, who was sentenced to five months in prison last month for faking his military service. The Tacoma, Wash., man was kicked out of the Army after six weeks at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003, but he later claimed to have participated in war crimes in Iraq and tried to position himself as a leader of the anti-war movement.
Limbaugh has said he was referring only to Macbeth when he discussed "phony soldiers."
What are your thoughts on this D&D?
Edit: (link to the article)
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On the other hand, Limbaugh also has that right to free speech like every one of us. Douchebag or not, he probably was within his right to do that.
So in closing- douchebag, but he has the right to say what he wants as well as the soldiers.
Most of the argument comes from the idea that he was encompassing all soldiers who are against the war, but sources claim that he was making his statement on a literal fake of a soldier. I don't listen to his show, so I don't know what he was talking about in truth, but a lot of noise is being raised over this.
Regardless of his words I don't like that congress is going after him for it. It is freedom of speech, and I think they have some more pressing matters to deal with than what an old republican talking head says.
It bothers me.
I'll say this again - freedom of speech is not freedom from the repercussions of speech. Yes, Rush has every right to say what he wants. But that doesn't mean he can't get called on his bullshit.
And he is, so I don't see a problem here. I'd not even heard Macbeth's name until Limbaugh said it.
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Never mind. Doc's right.
But once more, did anyone hear his actual conversation? Was he really talking about soldiers against the war, or the single fake?
And why are congressmen and women somehow exempt from free speech? I see 41 influential Americans stating an opinion. This is not an act of Congress.
Oh dip. Rush is a liar and a douchebag. Then he retcons to cover up his lie.
The phrase "phony soldier" is an attempt to blunt criticism from Iraq War vets, by insinuating that real soldiers believe in the mission. It's a double whammy - not only does it deflect criticism, it's also a handy attack on liberals for "brainwashing" the troops. Of course, the problem is that in doing so, you're basically saying that these men and women are nothing more than uniformed parrots.
Please look up the meanings of censure and censor. (Hint: They're not synonyms.) Calling men and women who have served in the military "phony soldiers" because they don't agree with your stances is a disgusting denigration of them. Why shouldn't elected leaders stand up for our troops?
Also, did it bother you when Congress went after MoveOn?
Yeah that pretty much cleared it up for me. Thanks.
edit: At least the $2 mil is going to something.
I think it was Basar that originally mentioned him somewhere around a year to a year and a half ago to rail about the evils of American soldiers. We had it out on the forum until I linked to some newspaper inteviews showing he was in Arizona during the time he was supposed to be in Iraq killing people (as well as court records that showed he in and out of court as well as on parole for credit card fraud at the time).
- John Stuart Mill
Like the people who insit this comment was about MacBeth when it was not even related?
Remember, IOKIYAR.
There was an article about him in Stars and Stripes, but I can't imagine he got much media coverage. He's just a guy who failed out of basic training and later talked shit about how "hardcore" he was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
He's no one important, I was agreeing with Doc.
There was something on ABC news about it a few days prior.
My problem with this is why the senate is wasting their time lambasting a slightly ambiguous disparaging comment. It accomplishes nothing but making a big partisan shitfit. Let the Olbermans and the media pick up the issue if it is so damn important.
Because Rush himself forced Congress to publically censure MoveOn over the Petraeus ad. As the Olberman clip posted points out, this in turn set a precedent that the soldiers are not to be attacked. As a result, Rush is now in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position:
This is why he's spinning the MacBeth story as hard as he can - because at least this way, he doesn't have to admit to being wrong. The problem is that the lie is pretty fucking transparent.
Liberals probably felt the need to respond to the "General Betray-us" condemnation.
Both are retarded. Go spend my cash doing something useful.
The "ignore it and it will just go away" strategy?
That worked so well for John Kerry.
And Gary Condit.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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So it was perfectly okay for Congress to condemn MoveOn, but condemnig Rush is a waste of time?
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Yeah, it would be much better if the left mobilized it's own echo chamber of pundits to counterattack.
Pundits like... say... Jon Stewart.
And.. um... Jon Stewart.
And maybe Stephen Colbert.
And some more Jon Stewart.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Not all of Congress condemned MoveOn, mainly Hillary and Obama. Anyways, I'm not a fan Rush and I think the Dems tried to play the MoveOn/Patreus game but actually ended up looking like the losers they already are.
This logic bugs me. If something is stupid, then the other side of the issue shouldn't have its of fair shake at being stupid as well. It should be fought at every turn.
That being said. I've no problem with this.
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It's just (as others have said) a great example of having the right to free speech but having responsibility for what you say.
They win by going public instead, and attacking Limbaugh in the public sphere, instead of the right-wing sphere, and slapping his words into a fundraising letter.
That aside, I agree that he should be allowed to say what he wants. If he wants to say something stupid, he should be allowed to.
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Okay, I'm with you there.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
oh, get out.
I thought it was pretty clear that 'the right' was referring to specific group of ideological cohorts, not to everyone everywhere who has a claim on being a 'conservative.'
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Ever see "Team America, World Police" where Hans Blix is trying to get Kim to show him his W.M.D.s?
Kim: "Or what?"
Hans: "Then we will write a very angry letter to you; telling you that we are very, very angry!"
It's basically a satirical way of showing how truly impotent the U.N. is. The resolutions they pass are utterly meaningless and for show and can't be enforced unless someone else, usually the USA, backs them with force. Hezbollah has been ordered to disarm via a security counsil resolution, think it'll happen? Stuff like this makes the current Dems leadership look nearly as impotent.
I don't like the war either, but if you want to end it, right now, congress can do it, TODAY, but they choose not to really *do* anything. They just write letters. Even the democrat frontrunners who constantly down the war won't even committ to ending it their first term. OK, fine, you think the war's bad, what's your plan? Stay the course? Graduallly pull out? Oh, sorry, you won't answer "hypotheticals".
So how the heck am I supposed to know what I'm voting for?
Weak.
Same deal with the "Betray-us" letter. Mayby if you guys hadn't rubber-stamped everything Bush-Rumsfeld did for 5 years, we wouldn't be in this mess and people wouldn't be so angry, even if they express it very badly and obnoxiously. Also if your opponent says something stupid, let them keep talking as they're only indirectly helping you.
Seriously.
Ann Coulter helps the Democrats and Michael Moore helps the Republicans more than either would feel comfortable knowing.
Margaret Thatcher
It is always appropriate for people to call out this man, in my eyes. Besides, the Congress has a lot of free time with how little they actually want to get done with an election looming.
This. Right here. My father has been listening to Limbaugh for many of his waking hours every day for the past few years.
It is impossible to engage him on any topic Rush has an opinion on.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
The good thing about people like these, their opinion is easily swayed. Just not by you. The last three people they've heard speak on TV will dictate their opinion. If you manage to replace Limbaugh with a less extreme conservative or even a right-leaning moderate, their opinions will shift fairly readily. I'm completely certain that if you had complete control over what they saw on TV and the radio, you could have them lining up early to see Michael Moore's next movie inside of a year.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.