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Whenever I am speaking from my heart I piss people off.

Rey Del AguilaRey Del Aguila __BANNED USERS regular
edited October 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So I'm 26, single, high school drop out. Got my GED. I went to college for a week but it was sort of like a 12 year old going to college. I knew that I would need a lot more one on one interaction to learn anything any way and on top of that every magazine (Time, Newsweek etc) told me a lot of people make the same with or with out a college degree once you factor in the debt.

But that's not what I want to talk about, this is:

No matter what I say, to whom I say it or what my intentions are I piss people off. I don't even have to talk. The only people who can spend more then 3 seconds around me are people who are VERY secure in who they are and really don't mind when I say "Wow, you really surprised me when you spoke because I just assumed you were some dumb jock" or "I saw your pictures and you looked like a chubby southern girl but in your newer picture I see you lost that weight."

I have like 3 friends, and we don't talk or hang out that much, like normal people.

It's gotten to the point where I don't care anymore except that I feel so physically isolated. Eventually, after months of trying to find some one to accept me for who I am I will just make some fake persona and get a girl friend. This will last 6 to 8 months until they trick me into believing that they love me and no matter what I say they will always believe the best about me. At which point I slowly get more natural which means slowly becoming more pointy in my outward communication.

I actually have reduced a girl to not wanting to get out of bed by mimicking her buck teach when she smiled. Because I thought they were so cute, adorable and good looking. So when she smiles I smiled while pursing my lips around my front teeth. Now she wont get out of bed.

I am tired of people using me to hurt themselves. Is there any way that I can be myself and be loved.

"How do porcupines make love? Answer: Very carefully"

Because you know who SAID you know what with you know who, let's keep that between me and you.
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  • Sir Headless VIISir Headless VII Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    To be frank, those are compromises people make to live in a livable society. People don't just say whatever they think if they know someone will be insulted or hurt. The basics of polite society aren't particularly onerous I think if you want to live in the society your going to have to play by the rules.

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yeah. I mean, it's one thing to be blunt, but you still need to be tactful to some degree. Don't ever pretend to be someone you're not, though. Just don't say everything you think.

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  • Rey Del AguilaRey Del Aguila __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I don't know how else to show affection or attraction other then to hurt it seems. I was on the train and I saw what appeared to be a family of hispanic kids. 4 girls and one boy and a young man. The were hurting eachother and laughing and I thought, You know if that young man were to date some one from a different cultural back round as him he could get labeled a rapist just for grabbing a hand or arm the wrong way.

    Which made me feel sort of better. I don't bruise, it seems, either emotionally or on my skin. Maybe I just need some one like me.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I dont even know what to say about that first paragraph there. Good god.

    As for your problem, yeah, maybe you should start hanging around really thick-skinned people, or just learn to run a little internal check before saying or doing anything.

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Or therapy maybe? Not to be rude at all...

    Is your family the same way, or are you kinda the odd one out?

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  • Rey Del AguilaRey Del Aguila __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    It's hard to tell. Since you know, none of us socialize with each other... lol

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  • Rey Del AguilaRey Del Aguila __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I think I might have a really really deep emotional need to piss people off. How do you cure that? Does booze help? Or maybe I just hate emotions as a concept. I tried to act like Data from star trek for like a good 4 years. But every one does that, right?

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I think I might have a really really deep emotional need to piss people off. How do you cure that? Does booze help? Or maybe I just hate emotions as a concept. I tried to act like Data from star trek for like a good 4 years. But every one does that, right?

    No. That's unusual . And I don't think booze will help...

    You can have emotions and not be overly emotional. There's a happy medium in there somewhere, between Data and someone who cries/freaks out/creates drama about every little thing, that you have to find.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "Wow, you really surprised me when you spoke because I just assumed you were some dumb jock" or "I saw your pictures and you looked like a chubby southern girl but in your newer picture I see you lost that weight."

    Do you really need to be told why this has pissed people off? When I go over to my mum's place and she makes me dinner I say, "Thanks for dinner mum" not, "Thanks for the fucking dinner." Because my mother doesn't like being sworn at, so I don't do it.

    Similarly you don't tell someone that you thought they were a dumb jock, you just tell them that they are pretty smart. Or if someone lost weight you don't tell them that they used to be ugly, the probably know this that's why they lost the weight and they probably aren't too proud of that part of their life. You just say wow have you lost weight? You look really good.

    Most people think before they speak, this is really all you need to do.

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  • Paper TigerPaper Tiger Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Blaket really nailed it on the head.

    You should think of rephrasing the things you say. I'm not saying that you should say things you don't mean. Just say them in a way that doesn't invite a punch to the face.

    For example, when you thought that girl's smile was really cute and adorable, you could have mentioned that you felt that way. She's not going to know what you're thinking if you go and mimic having buck teeth. She'll have to come to her own conclusions, and if she's already insecure about it, they definitely won't be good.

    I know how it feels to be stunningly awkward from time to time. If you keep putting yourself out there, you'll get the hang of it eventually.

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  • Rey Del AguilaRey Del Aguila __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, I guess I just need professional help because these suggestions are amatuer. Not really your fault. But it has given me hope that I can discuss these problems somewhere and that there might be a solution or some sort of developmental road I have yet to take that I can now walk. I think that I am even alive to think these thoughts now is the definition of grace. Thanks.

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  • JansonJanson Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yeah; the problem isn't so much that you're telling the truth, but how you're phrasing it. You don't have to lie or create a false persona in order to stop offending people. You just need to adjust how you use language. Blaket's examples are good.

    Except for the teeth thing...that's just mind-blowing. A feature like that is going to be anyone's hated feature. It doesn't matter if others find it cute or not, the person who actually has buck teeth is almost never going to like them. I wouldn't have got out of bed if I were her, either.

    EDIT: I'm late to the party.
    Well, I guess I just need professional help because these suggestions are amatuer.

    Wow, you did it again.

    How are they 'amateur'? It's a suggestion that's easy to implement and will work.

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  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, I guess I just need professional help because these suggestions are amatuer.
    You came to an internet forum to ask for help. What the hell did you expect?

    You need to think before you speak, it's a simple as that. Don't discount our opinions because they're too easy or uncomplicated, but actually trust that we're trying to help you.
    This will last 6 to 8 months until they trick me into believing that they love me

    Though this sounds like you have some trust issues you need to work out. The world is not out to get you, contrary to popular belief.

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  • JansonJanson Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I am tired of people using me to hurt themselves. Is there any way that I can be myself and be loved.

    Also, this is bullshit. People are not 'using' you. Believe it or not, people don't actually like to get emotionally hurt! What you mean is 'I'm tired of not being accepted by anyone.'

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  • Paper TigerPaper Tiger Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, sorry if I didn't help you out. Hope you get to a point where you're happy with yourself.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    To me it looks like you just have no experience in dealing with other people. You're in this mindset that everyone will hate you and you're not even trying to make them think differently. A therapist sounds like a good idea, maybe s/he knows of a way to practise interacting with others without you reducing them to tears/ them punching your lungs out.

    Just remember to think before you speak and remember two things: (1) Am I calling someone names? (2) Am I calling someone incompetent/ugly? If the answer to any or both of these is a yes, shut up and start thinking of something else to say instead.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2007
    You're not talking from your heart honey, that's your spleen. Learn to control yourself. Of course, despite your protests you seem pretty impressed with your 'ability', so this may be difficult. Definitely you need some kind of counselling, because your beliefs about other people's motivations are completely whacked and I'd say that's the root of this.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I am tired of people using me to hurt themselves. Is there any way that I can be myself and be loved.

    People are not put on this earth for the sole purpose of loving you. They aren't passive entities who bump in and out of your life - they have feelings, dreams, and desires of their own. They want to be loved, just like you. If they don't believe you love them, they'll probably move on to someone else who does. You have to earn affection, the same as everyone else. Take some responsibility for your own actions. "Being yourself" is not an excuse to "trample the fuck all over other people's feelings". The simple fact of the matter is that "yourself" might be a douche. Think about what you want say or do before you say or do it: "Will this hurt the person that I love?" If the answer is yes, you should probably have a compelling reason for going ahead.

    Being a good person is more important than being yourself.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Hey.

    Do you exhibit any of these traits:

    - callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
    - gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
    - incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
    - very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
    - incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
    - marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalizations, for the behavior that has brought the patient into conflict with society.

    if so you may want to look at this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspd

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2007
    My troll alarm is going nuts. If you're serious, get professional help, you might well be ASPD as Pony suggests. Personally, I think you're just a mean-spirited shithead with a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Maybe move to California?

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