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Should I replace my GeForce 8600 GT with an 8800 whatever?

BlochWaveBlochWave Registered User regular
edited October 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I had put the 8600 GT in this comp for...I dunno why. It runs Bioshock at full graphics and all the Orange Box games well, but I was just reading some reviews and the 8800 just demolishes it

It'll fit and everything, right? So if I do that is the 640 mb one overkill? The 320mb is like $250 which is close to my limit for pissing away money. Can I sell the 8600 for at least a decent fraction of the original cost? Or do you think the 8600 GT will still serve me ok for a while? I'd be wanting to run games at 1440x900

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    mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Holy shit they put 640 MB on a video card these days? Guess I've been out of the pc game for a while

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    TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    There is no point in upgrading a card if it already runs the games you want to run. An 8600 does indeed demolish it, but 1440x900 is not a gigantic resolution. You'd be better off waiting until nVidia drops the 9XXX generation, IMHO. Either you buy one of those, or you buy a newly-cheap 8800.

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    musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    BlochWave wrote: »
    I had put the 8600 GT in this comp for...I dunno why. It runs Bioshock at full graphics and all the Orange Box games well, but I was just reading some reviews and the 8800 just demolishes it

    It'll fit and everything, right? So if I do that is the 640 mb one overkill? The 320mb is like $250 which is close to my limit for pissing away money. Can I sell the 8600 for at least a decent fraction of the original cost? Or do you think the 8600 GT will still serve me ok for a while? I'd be wanting to run games at 1440x900

    ram on video cards is a wildly inaccurate way to determine how much it can handle

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    BlochWaveBlochWave Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I know but the higher end cards have more memory and increasingly huger busses and speeds, and I couldn't remember all their names (8800 GTS ultra and such)

    LCDs have natural resolutions so how much bigger can you get? I guess if 1440x900 is a 19 inch widescreen with a 16:10 aspect ratio, I guess a 20 or 21 inch with the same ratio would be like, well much bigger.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    BlochWave wrote: »
    I had put the 8600 GT in this comp for...I dunno why. It runs Bioshock at full graphics and all the Orange Box games well, but I was just reading some reviews and the 8800 just demolishes it

    It'll fit and everything, right? So if I do that is the 640 mb one overkill? The 320mb is like $250 which is close to my limit for pissing away money. Can I sell the 8600 for at least a decent fraction of the original cost? Or do you think the 8600 GT will still serve me ok for a while? I'd be wanting to run games at 1440x900

    Firstly there's a speedbump/refresh coming to the 8800 line in middle of november, so definitely don't buy anything till then.

    In your situation I would honestly try and keep my 8600GT until the 9X series from nVidia and X3 from ATI. (Spring next year seems to be everyones early guesses). It might help if you play around with some overclocking utilities like Rivatuner if you get bored so you can eek out a few extra FPS in some games, but a lot of the recent releases seem to be running supersmooth on even midrange graphic cards (UT3, CoD4, Gears of War etc)

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    AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Just wait for the next series of videocards to come out, the ones with DX 10.1 support. Buying an 8800 now, when you already have an 8600, is a waste of money.

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    Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    Just wait for the next series of videocards to come out, the ones with DX 10.1 support. Buying an 8800 now, when you already have an 8600, is a waste of money.

    BZZT! Wrong. The current dx10 cards support dx10 and dx10.1. Sorry, but you made it sound as if any and all current dx10 hardware will be outdated in the first update of DX10. Which isn't the case or nvidia and amd would kill MS for their loss of customers because who wants to buy something that is $500 only to have it go obsolete 3 months later.

    For the OP. I would keep the 8600GT for a good while. Look into putting th money into different accessories instead.

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    Infinity Minus OneInfinity Minus One __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Many people will tell you to wait for the 9XXXXXXXX this is wrong. I'll tell you why.


    The jump from the 8600 to the 8800 GTX is earth shattering. There is a COLOSSAL difference, which won't be as pronounced when you go from the 8800 to those first generation 9XXX coming out in spring or so.

    The 8800 is mindblowingly fast, nearly twice the speed of your 8600. That means it's faster than two of those cards put together and sometimes it's nearly the same price as an 8600. And when you want to upgrade later, you can use SLI to add another 8800 which is better than having 4 of your 8600s put together and running in a single machine. Basically the 8800 is fucking insane right now and you should get it, it will be a card that defines 2007. And in history it will go down as a fuckawesome card. You can also sell your 8600 and put that money toward buying the new card.



    Also I knew a guy once who was always waiting for the "next best thing" to come out rather than enjoying the best hardware right away. He died in a car accident one day and never got to see what awesome graphics and computing look like because he was waiting for the next best thing and thus running outdated hardware.

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Umm, current cards would NOT support DX10.1 just like how original DX9 cards didnt do some DX9.0c features.

    All that means is that there would be some extra graphical options not available to you when you played the game, not that you couldnt run it at all.


    and wait for the 8800GT in november

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    TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Current cards don't do DX10.1 but it barely matters at all. In any case, I'd wait. Wait because you can already run what you want to run, wait because cards will get cheaper when the 9XXX series is out, wait because at 1440x900 you won't use 640MB of RAM and all the processing power of an 8800.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Replace the card when you find something that it cannot run.

    I would wager that will not be for a long time.

    Aside from that, the only reason to upgrade to the 8800 is techno-nerd-brownie-points with the forumers here. actually that does sound kinda offensive, what i mean is that aside from bragging rights "OMG I HAVE AN 8800!!" there is no real appreciable difference between the 8600 and the 8800.

    You might be able to run games at 150fps instead of 80fps, but that difference is imperceptible.

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    ignore the fellow above.

    the 8600 series and 8800 series are worlds apart.

    there are situations where the 8800 320 MB is NOT SUFFICIENT even.



    8800 GTX is a very good purchase for people wishing to play the most demanding and recent games on max settings, at high resolutions, at framerates north of at least 30 but even 60, AND toss some AA and AF in there wherever possible.

    SLI might be for bragging rights. 8800 series is absolutely not

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    LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Supposedly the 8800GT will be released within 30 days. For $250, 512Mb VRAM, and power almost equal to a GTX.

    There is a pretty heavy rumors about ATI's refresh and supposedly it'll blow away Nvidia's cards. We'll just have to wait and see though :)

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Replace it when you feel that the 8600GT isn't letting you play your games the way you'd like. Don't buy an 8800 right now just because you know it's better. If your current card is playing your current games well at high settings, why waste money? Get one later when it's cheaper.

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    LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Update on the new ATI cards I was talking about. I am soo fucking geeking out right now!!

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fcn%2F119%2Cnews-119.html&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Rook wrote: »
    BlochWave wrote: »
    I had put the 8600 GT in this comp for...I dunno why. It runs Bioshock at full graphics and all the Orange Box games well, but I was just reading some reviews and the 8800 just demolishes it

    It'll fit and everything, right? So if I do that is the 640 mb one overkill? The 320mb is like $250 which is close to my limit for pissing away money. Can I sell the 8600 for at least a decent fraction of the original cost? Or do you think the 8600 GT will still serve me ok for a while? I'd be wanting to run games at 1440x900

    Firstly there's a speedbump/refresh coming to the 8800 line in middle of november, so definitely don't buy anything till then.

    Wait I thought the November announcement was rumored to be the 9 Series.

    Now I'm confused again, which always happens when I'm dealing with video cards.

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    CasketCasket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    My only concern is that you won't be able to sell the 8600 for as much money in the future as you could now.

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    TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    there are situations where the 8800 320 MB is NOT SUFFICIENT even.

    And those situations? Let me tell you, they're most definitely NOT at 1440x900. See? He doesn't need an 8800, especially now.

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    BlochWaveBlochWave Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yah, I'll just skip this high generation and get the next one, I'm thinking

    Thanks for the advice!

    Now the thought HAD crossed my mind about getting a bigger monitor. So I would probably need a better video card then to run games in its natural resolution? Then I'll probably hold off on that too. The 19 inch widescreen is fine, I'd had a 16 inch CRT since 2002 ^_^

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    BlochWave wrote: »
    Yah, I'll just skip this high generation and get the next one, I'm thinking

    Thanks for the advice!

    Now the thought HAD crossed my mind about getting a bigger monitor. So I would probably need a better video card then to run games in its natural resolution? Then I'll probably hold off on that too. The 19 inch widescreen is fine, I'd had a 16 inch CRT since 2002 ^_^

    Unlikely. the 8600GT handles a 22' widescreen LCD just fine in its native resolution, although the most taxing game we played on it was Battlefield 2142.

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    PlutoniumPlutonium Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Your 8600 will run anything in the next three years just fine.

    There's no point in upgrading just because, that's like throwing away money.

    Wait until you have a better reason to upgrade than to "Have the best"

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "just fine" clearly means very different things to very different people.

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    mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Unlikely. the 8600GT handles a 22' widescreen LCD just fine in its native resolution, although the most taxing game we played on it was Battlefield 2142.

    where can one buy these 22 foot wide screen lcds. I want one :)

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    "just fine" clearly means very different things to very different people.

    If it's not running at 1920x1080 with 4x anti-aliasing and full effects then it just looks like crap


    Really though, how much do you care about having things be just right? Hell, I play a bunch of newer games on either a 4400 or a Radeon 200M, because I'm building a compy this summer, and I'm just working with what I have now. I think they run "just fine" because, hey, they run. They look a lot more like ass than an 8800 could run them at, but they run without frame stutters, save crazy games like Bioshock which I can't run.

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    BlochWaveBlochWave Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Wait until you have a better reason to upgrade than to "Have the best"

    But my e-penis is soooo small!

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    victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Supposedly the 8800GT will be released within 30 days. For $250, 512Mb VRAM, and power almost equal to a GTX.

    There is a pretty heavy rumors about ATI's refresh and supposedly it'll blow away Nvidia's cards. We'll just have to wait and see though :)

    The 8800GT is supposed to come out this Monday.

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    DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    "just fine" for me is 30 fps average at max graphical settings (game looks as the developer intended/their vision) at 1680x1050 minimum


    ideal would be north of 60 fps minimum, max graphical settings, at 2560x1600 with some AA and AF.


    the best cards now cant do the ideal for the next 3 years, and the much lower power'd "midrange" offerings of now cant do the "just fine" for the next 3 either.

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