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Chiropractors
Black Ice
Charlotte, NCRegistered User regular
Charlotte, NCRegistered User regular
What do you guys think about chiropractors? The doctors that aren't titled doctors? The miracle workers that some people swear by and others detest?
Are they effective long-term or merely short term? You have to return to one over and over again - do you find it less effective each time you return? It's basically just realigning your spine.. but making it looser every time it's realigned and easier to be unaligned.
Yet, it seems like everyone knows at least one or two people that have a miracle story about someone they know who went to a chiropractor and was saved from a surgery or some other unenviable scenario.
The most extreme miracle story I've heard (although I do not know him personally) is about a golfer that was in so much pain from his foot that doctors were thinking of amputating it. He went to a chiropractor and apparently, something had been wrong with his back and was causing his foot immense pain, and a chiropractor not only saved his foot but his career - anyone know his name or if this story is even true?
I guess there's horror stories - but could it get thrown out of proportion? Is there a 1:1 ratio of miracle to horror stories? Or is it fair I even did a miracle story? Maybe this is another topic completely.
Are they effective long-term or merely short term? You have to return to one over and over again - do you find it less effective each time you return? It's basically just realigning your spine.. but making it looser every time it's realigned and easier to be unaligned.
Yet, it seems like everyone knows at least one or two people that have a miracle story about someone they know who went to a chiropractor and was saved from a surgery or some other unenviable scenario.
The most extreme miracle story I've heard (although I do not know him personally) is about a golfer that was in so much pain from his foot that doctors were thinking of amputating it. He went to a chiropractor and apparently, something had been wrong with his back and was causing his foot immense pain, and a chiropractor not only saved his foot but his career - anyone know his name or if this story is even true?
I guess there's horror stories - but could it get thrown out of proportion? Is there a 1:1 ratio of miracle to horror stories? Or is it fair I even did a miracle story? Maybe this is another topic completely.
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The bad ones tend to outnumber the good ones, as the professional organizations tend to condone quackish behavior, and the schools tend to teach quackery.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
She was told to do these exercises, kind of like push-ups.
I was also told to do these push-ups when I went for neck pain.
It turned out that the back pain was really lymphatic cancer.
Real doctors can diagnose the true causes, whereas chiropractors treat symptoms and often not the underlying condition, nor do chiropractors possess the amount of medical knowledge a trained medical doctor would hold.
Kind of like seeing a dentist for renal failure.
My neighbor swears by them though.
And no chance of a happy ending.
As long as these people are also seeing regular doctors
Homeopathy is 100 percent BS with no chance of actually making a person feel any better than a placebo would would make a person feel.
Yeah but even it's only a placebo effect...the person still ends up feeling better, no?
I mean I don't know a lot about homeopathy, but the practitioners wouldn't be around if it never helped anyone, would they?
Occasionally I twist at the waist and get four or five good pops out of my spine. It feels good, but I'm always afraid I'll never walk again.
Hence they are being ripped the fuck off.
Where is that youtubes about homeopathy.
You will laugh and laugh and laugh.
I think you're severely underestimating the credulity of the kind of people who even consider homeopathy (or indeed, alternative medicine in general).
I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that the jury was still out on acupuncture.
That said, you just justified what this guy does:
They somehow thinks this makes it more effective.
Consumers who buy this stuff are taking sugar pills or water.
I want to kill that dude 6 kinds of dead.
Such a fucking scam artist. My mom almost bought his book on losing weight until I explained who he was. Also she flipped to a random page and saw that he recommended avoiding fluorescent lights to lose weight O_o
Is everyone as vehement about acupuncture?
Better studies show less of an effect.
A very recent, well designed, and brilliantly double-blind study showed no positive effect whatsoever.
You can see what this trend suggests
That the more negative the results, the better it actually works?
Acupuncture actually does work, and there are plenty of clinical studies demonstrating its applications. Homeopathy is shit, though. Even other natural health practitioners sneer at homeopaths.
It depends what you're testing for, which points are being used etc. Pain blocking and knockout points are very very obviously effective, as in you can knock someone right the fuck out with no trouble - that was like, the first class demo in my best mate's course. There's a point on the chode that triggers instant ejaculation in males (a mate of mine's lecturer has some funny stories about students on prac accidentally hitting that one and getting a face full of jizz :P). There are points besides the nose that will make your sinuses empty out like buckets. Stuff like that can't really be dismissed, its the systemic-improvement stuff that's less clear - and its hard to prove in mass trials because not everyone needs the same points poked to get results, but you have to standardise in a trial.
I'm just throwing that out there. I'm not a fan, myself. They can't even definitively tell me why my knuckles make a cracking sound when they are cracked, and they want to do that shit to my spine? Hell no.
I HATE the term "chiropractic" used as a noun, the -ic suffix is an adjectivser, not a nominaliser. Wee have about a million nouning-suffixes wich are perfectly adequate.
I like it because it sounds antiquated and goofy.
Among the AMA, a quick googling suggests that that is primarily due to a decades-long lawsuit brought against the AMA by chiropractors, under the Sherman Antitrust Act. They succeeded in preventing the AMA from calling chiropractors "unscientific" which frankly floors me, since I was under the impression that chiropractic doesn't even have any pretensions of scientific merit.
Remember, we're talking about an entity that was originally formed because a charismatic practitioner believed that "subluxations" in the spine caused toothache and deafness (or something similarly retarded).
EDIT: If this is an accurate summation, then saying that the AMA approves of chiropractic is a pretty ridiculous stand to take. The AMA doesn't explicitly disapprove of chiropractic - but only because they are forced to.
erm. what are you even arguing anymore?
I think he's saying that even if acupuncture is shown to be effective, it is certainly not because of the manipulation of chi. And that if it can be explained scientifically, the discipline will be more effective. Or something. I'm kind of reaching here, myself.
The chi thing is just an attempt to describe what's happening without having an exact cause pinned down. Its not meant to be taken literally. The whole descriptive system is fairly... I suppose metaphorical is the best word for it.
You're... suggesting that the researchers are silly for looking into new ideas that may not pan out? That's what science is supposed to do O_o
Yeah, exactly.
Besides that, taking a neutral stance on chiropractors allows physicians to work together with chiros to make sure that their patients are not being put at risk. See, if the AMA were to take a chiropractic = bullshit stance, then a physician working with a chiropractor would be at risk of a malpractice lawsuit simply by association if something went wrong at the chiropractic office. By taking a more neutral stance, the AMA is allowing physicians to oversee chiropractic care; this way they can make sure their patients go to chiros who aren't complete nutballs and won't try to treat ailments that it's not appropriate for the chiro to treat.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
i dont know if that's good or bad but im guessing it's probably meaningless in the long run.
On a related note, used accupuncture for migraine help during said ME period, and found some practioners very useful, and others were just taking the piss. Same as with GP's - some are really good, others just give you the happy pills and tell you to come back when you're better.
Here's the thing. My back does get hurt every 3-4 months for a few days. I mean walking gets painful. All X-rays I got do show that my spine is stiffer and less curved than it should be. My last regular physician checkups didn't reveal anything. What exactly should I do?