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Self-Education

GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, ProbablyWatertown, WIRegistered User regular
edited November 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
This thread, like all things, is Anne Geddes' fault. My beat at work does not include, but passes, a calendar display. You have all the quintessial calendar topics: puppies, Tinkerbell (who is on everything in the store including shampoo, clocks and windshield covers), America Fuck Yeah, Yay Local Sports Team.

And Anne Geddes. Baby heads in flowers. And it's near the $10 Wal-Mart "art" (which I DO stock). I'm between the two when it just hits me like a sack of potatoes: "I have a college degree, and I am up at 2 in the morning between Anne Geddes, poor excuses for art deco, and still lifes, the first kind of non-random-smear paintings we did in 1st fucking grade." It just made me want to run screaming into the arms of a museum somewhere.

Which I'd probably do, if I hadn't already gone to the Milwaukee Public Museum twice in recent years and seen that the stuff in Visit #1 and Visit #2 were really very similar- and, for that matter, not overly different from how it was when I visited in grade school field trips. But I'm still racking my brain trying to come up with somewhere to go to apologize to my eyeballs for having to see that.

Which leads to the topic: self-education. By this I mean any method of trying to teach yourself stuff: museums, libraries, trolling around on Wikipedia, hell, Carmen Sandiego games if that's what does it for you. Anything of that sort. How often do you do that kind of thing, what kinds do you do, how useful do you find it to be, is where you live any help at all in encouraging it?

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I am pretty much constantly trying to learn new things, and train my mind to do new tricks (and to get better at tricks it can already do). The internet in general, online journals, and lately I've been training my brain to do tactical strategery better through S-RPGs and in a wierd way through Soul Calibur as well (the game has more than sufficient depth for strategy to be pretty clutch). I also tend to take at least one random elective every semester to broaden my knowledge as well, this semester is Criminal Behavior/Criminology.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm constantly teaching myself things, to the point where I am able to tutor my girlfriend on her college calculus and physics courses. I am taking high school courses. The internet is wonderful for such things. Despite popular belief, it does not rot your brain. Not even 4chan.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Books. I'll grab a book that I may have heard of and could be interested in. If I don't particullarly care for it, I finish it anyway because I'll garner something from it. I read academic stuff a lot, so they usually cite books. I'm still in school so I have access to LexisNexis and things of that sort to read cited sources and try and understand an author's point further.

    A modern (read: internets) way of doing this is Wikipedia-hoping. Start on a topic you are interested in, and click links in the article to learn more. I usually open them in tabs. I've learned a great bit of information doing this. When Pope John Paul II died, I did this and knew more about the 'process' more than any Catholic I knew at the time.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I buy used textbooks for less than $5 and then go through them.

    Also - libraries.

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    edited October 2007
    I made a thread on this a while back: iTunes U.
    Download university lectures to your iPod as podcasts.
    It's well worth the price of admission: which is to say, free.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    a friend of mine picked up at barnes and noble, an entire semester worth of lectures. he chose philosophy so I listened. It's really good for someone like me who has the desire to learn, but is immensly lazy. I like Shinto's idea, but I'd never do it. I like to go through web pages and in theory, journals, but I never do it. these (as well as the podcasts feral mentioned) I can listen to in the car, which is a big boon for me. I learn better listening than watching/reading anyway.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    iTunes U and Old Textbooks are cool.

    Reading of any kind will put you ahead of 90 of the slack-jawed functional illiterates

    You can learn a lot by wandering around wikipedia for hours on end. Some of it will even be true.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    @ Shinto: I thought I was the only one that did that. I started by buying the previous edition to the edition we were using in a class at the time. Instead of paying $100 for a new book (it couldn't be purchased used) I paid 14 cents for the previous edition. Did fine in the class and I've been collecting old text books ever since.

    I don't know if this counts as self education but I find cool reading lists of stuff I've never heard of. Select a few off the list and hit up the local library. I was pretty surprised the list in the writing forum has some great stuff in it.

    edit: this seems relevant. I first became interested in self-education when I read Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography. If he can do it, why can't I?

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Shogun wrote: »
    edit: this seems relevant. I first became interested in self-education when I read Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography. If he can do it, why can't I?
    Because contrary to popular belief, not everyone is God's special little snow flake, and you may well not be anything approaching a Ben Franklin.

    I'm a ray of sunshine

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    edit: this seems relevant. I first became interested in self-education when I read Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography. If he can do it, why can't I?
    Because contrary to popular belief, not everyone is God's special little snow flake, and you may well not be anything approaching a Ben Franklin.

    Especially with that attitude.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    edit: this seems relevant. I first became interested in self-education when I read Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography. If he can do it, why can't I?
    Because contrary to popular belief, not everyone is God's special little snow flake, and you may well not be anything approaching a Ben Franklin.

    I'm a ray of sunshine

    If Benjamin Franklin was God's special little snow flake, he wouldn't have had to educate himself, eh.

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  • RhakaRhaka Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Read everything that tickles my fancy, look up subjects I encounter in said reading, inevitably end up with 20 tabs open on different wiki articles, realize it's 1 AM, fall asleep, then spend most of the next day processing newly acquired info.

    Rinse, repeat.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I used to read the encyclopedias we had at home when I was a kid, back in the pre-wikipedia era.

    I've been known to browse the dictionary for interesting words, too.

    Really all you need is intellectual curiosity; you'll never run short on things to learn from if you aren't a complete idiot

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I've taught myself an awful lot about computers over the years. I read an awful lot, and constantly play with various bits of software. It's pretty much all I do at work. That or klugeing various micro apps together. I've become pretty good at knowing where to look for things, and understanding what I'm reading.

    And I follow material science developments pretty closely. To the point of looking up papers and such, but it's not like that is useful or anything. I don't do anything with that, much like my political reading.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Rhaka wrote: »
    Read everything that tickles my fancy, look up subjects I encounter in said reading, inevitably end up with 20 tabs open on different wiki articles, realize it's 1 AM, fall asleep, then spend most of the next day processing newly acquired info.

    Rinse, repeat.

    Man, this happens too much for me too. Especially like, the night before a day in which I have to wake up to go to class.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I am finally learning proper grammar.

    That said, I'm to fucking busy being a polydidact to be an auto-.

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  • AlectharAlecthar Alan Shore We're not territorial about that sort of thing, are we?Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Read Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, for one thing. I've actually impressed a girl or two by knowing where those notable quotations come from.

    I do a large amount of Wikipedia hopping myself, and I watch a lot of foreign films, from nerd standby anime to El Mariachi, to Pan's Labyrinth and various other less well known stuff. It's an entertaining window into other cultures.

    I listen to a crap-load of NPR, and I think childhood exposure is largely responsible for my desire to become a cultured individual. I haven't done much listening to iTunes lectures, but I might get into that. Similarly, NPR podcasts rule.

    Crossword puzzles and trivia are an excellent way to develop skills in recall of well, trivial, facts, and to enhance vocabulary.

    I read a ton. In my experience, it doesn't even have to be academic in nature, by far the majority of my bookshelves are popular science-fiction and fantasy. Earlier in life, when reading ahead of my age (one of the few things I did better than adequately) it helped me develop vocabulary. Later it can provide endless fodder for analysis in times of tedium. When I worked at Taco Bell this past summer, I'd spend half my time formulating critical essays in my head regarding various titles in my modest library (getting bigger, by the time I own my own home, I plan to have so many that I will need a study with bookshelves for walls to house them).

    Recently I've started using Litestep and Windowblinds, as well as modding the UI in WoW, and fiddling w/ Firefox/Thunderbird themes. I've developed a real interest in adding functionality and aesthetics to those kinds of things. It's important to have good hobbies.

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  • Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Audio books are wonderful, and is mainly how I educate myself outside of classes. Lately it's playing catch-up on popular science, evolution, and mathematics. It works great because I can multi task while I exercise, cook, or just relax while learning.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm still in college, so it's not so much "self-education" as much as it is "I have to learn this to get a degree". I do try to educate myself about photography, [PHOTO THREAD] has been of help here.

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  • LaterationLateration Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I have found that university podcasts can be a great way to learn for free. I just wish they'd stop using real media format :|. This is the most complete list I've found, UC Berkley and MIT probably have the best sites of all: http://stingyscholar.blogspot.com/2006/03/university-podcasts-webcasts-ocws.html

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  • MikeRyuMikeRyu Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm trying to teach myself Japanese. I started trying to learn French but I found the language and the culture too close to my own, and it makes me feel a bit bored just thinking about learning it.

    Although I've not been putting in enough study time even though I have had bundles of free time, so any cheering on (or jeering on) to get my arse into gear would be very welcome. :)

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    edited October 2007
    Lateration wrote: »
    I have found that university podcasts can be a great way to learn for free. I just wish they'd stop using real media format :|. This is the most complete list I've found, UC Berkley and MIT probably have the best sites of all: http://stingyscholar.blogspot.com/2006/03/university-podcasts-webcasts-ocws.html

    iTunes U has some of the same content in MP3 format.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2007
    I'm generally interested in psychology and exploring human nature and that sort of thing. I always have problems trying to discuss such things with other people, and for some reason it makes alot of self education less fulfilling. I like to explore knowledge with other people. I have alot of friends where I wish it were easier to initiate discussion of abstract concepts, not even "serious discussion" but an interested discussion where there is actual back and forth. Its hard for me to find this outside of classrooms, I can only get a handful of friends to do it.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2007
    Blogs are great, because other people do all the trawling through reams of info stuff for you. I've gotten a lot better at spotting shitty arguments thanks to the knack some writers have for demolishing them.

    Textbooks are great too, but don't dismiss the novel as an information source, particuarly on history and what other places and cultures/subcultures are like. I pick up reams of trivia from stories too.

    I tried iTunes' free lecture tapes, but I'm pretty crap at concentrating on audio-only input and I wind up zoning out and missing huge swaths of it. YMMV though.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    I only teach myself knowledge if I see any immediate or medium-run practical value in it.

    These days, as I'm job-hunting, this practical value consists of anything that can give me an edge over other job applicants.

    Once I figure out where I want to live after graduation, find a job and settle down (or not) somewhere, in other words once my life gets stable, I feel like only then I can afford the luxury of educating myself in other areas that are not of immediate concern to me.

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  • dangerdoomdangerdangerdoomdanger Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    http://deoxy.org/


    thought provocative

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    http://deoxy.org/


    thought provocative

    It's so thought provocative I don't even get it.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2007
    looks like another shitty forum with an added layer of multi-syllabic pretension. think I'd rather read a book.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Wikipedia

    Bloggingheads.tv (particularly science Saturday!)

    Also, I read (almost) nothing but nonfiction, mostly having to do with globalization and international relations. But not so much in China.

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  • dangerdoomdangerdangerdoomdanger Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Terrence McKenna? Alan Watts? Abuuuuh?

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm slowly but surely re-teaching myself how to play the piano. I'd like to think it's going well.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    MIT OpenCourseWare

    Just about the coolest damn thing ever, MIT puts up online copies of everything related to a broad range of classes. Whatever you academic interests, the odds are good there's something there you'd like.

    I've been spending some time browsing, and once my apps for next year are in I'd like to grab a couple classes that fill in holes in my undergrad education and work through them.

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Zsetrek wrote: »
    I am finally learning proper grammar.

    That said, I'm to fucking busy being a polydidact to be an auto-.
    I laughed.

    I read as much as I can (not very, unfortunately - work is a beast this time of year and I'm too drained when I get home to focus on simple text), and I'm in the process of teaching myself a language from a pair of CDs and a book. I've also purchased cheap math textbooks at used bookstores to keep my skills from atrophying.

    The most obvious thing that I've learned is that I'm lazy as hell and as much as I want to keep educating myself, it's still a chore a lot of the time.


    Edit: I've also been saving a lot of money lately, and I've been seriously debating with myself whether or not to buy a marimba and regain my musical abilities. It's a tremendous purchase though.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Wikipedia. How I love wikipedia.

    I tend to go on learning spurts. Something comes to my mind (either a totally new topic, or more usually something I'm already interested in) and I feel the need to go on a learning binge about that topic. Right now I'm teaching myself stuff about cryptography, and stuff related to anonymity/privacy online.

    I often think about buying text books and just reading them, but I never really get around to it, I guess I'm fairly lazy and not too focused either.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I'm slowly but surely re-teaching myself how to play the piano. I'd like to think it's going well.

    I tip my hat to you sir. When I was a kid my mom offered to get me lessons on playing the piano. In my childish ignorance I said something to the effect that the piano is for losers and gay kids.

    I've never regretted anything more in my entire life. To this day I wish I could play the piano well.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Shogun wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I'm slowly but surely re-teaching myself how to play the piano. I'd like to think it's going well.

    I tip my hat to you sir. When I was a kid my mom offered to get me lessons on playing the piano. In my childish ignorance I said something to the effect that the piano is for losers and gay kids.

    I've never regretted anything more in my entire life. To this day I wish I could play the piano well.

    I took piano from Kindergarten to 12th grade, but because for all but about 3 of those years (spread out, not at once) I was a lazy little bastard who only wanted to play video games or read I'm like 20% as good as I ought to be from studying that long.

    Listen to NPR. Catch Morning Edition and All Things Considered if you can. Then fill in the extra spaces with Weekend Edition, Fresh Air, and WaitWait! Don't Tell Me!

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  • TalousTalous Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    The Learning Company has pretty awesome tapes/video lectures taught by excellent Professors, but they can be pretty expensive. I have a source I can borrow them from.

    Oh, and PBS has just about every episode of Frontline on their website.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Listen to NPR. Catch Morning Edition and All Things Considered if you can. Then fill in the extra spaces with Weekend Edition, Fresh Air, and WaitWait! Don't Tell Me!


    guh... I hate not having a local NPR that doesn't suck scrotum. You can listen to there live stream though, and that's kinda cool. They also have an archive, though I wish they'd transcribe the damn thing.

    I'm not sure but I think they don't have car talk on the online thing. I've never heard it anyway. It might cost money or something. Some people might say that is a good thing, I'm not one of them.

    The BBC is great. Between world service and radio 1... well, it's a shame they don't get money from me.




    One kinda bad thing, I guess, about self education is that it lets you choose what you study, which can lead to a less than complete understanding of a great many things. Can lead to a very narrow understanding of things, and the world view to go along with that.

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  • devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I see it all as self-improvement. I decided earlier this year that I was sick of having little muscle tone and slightly overweight from working a desk job for two years. I threw myself into eating properly (not fad dieting), raising my overall strength, stamina and flexibility. I started parkour training (although I've stopped that temporarily as life got really hectic and training is two hours away). On top of that I started reading up 45 to 60 minutes a night on various topics via wikipedia, blogs, science sites, etc. I've also started reading physical books again to try and build my vocabulary and capacity to communicate with words further.

    As ridiculous as it sounds, Batman/Batman is the perfect example of self improvement. Removing the whole superhero/gadget aspect, there's really no reason that one can't use that as a basis for defining a set of wide-ranging self-improvement goals for personal achievement and furthering yourself.

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