[Game on!] Virtua Fighter 5 (360,XBL)

Inquisitor

Virtua Fighter 5, the latest game in Sega’s Virtua Fighter series, ships out on 10/30/07. Or, if you are in Europe, it’s already out. Pick up your copy! This thread is for any and all Virtua Figher discussion, be it for game play, character customization, or just matchmaking. Don’t be afraid to ask a question, even if it seems silly, Virtua Fighter is a complicated game, and we’d be glad to help you out!

Xbox 360 Features

Version C: The 360 using VF5 version C, the current arcade release in Japan, while the PS3 uses version B. Version C fixes up game play issues and has rebalanced the characters, while introducing more characters customization options

Online Play: Virtua Fighter online!!! What more do I need to say? YES!

Gameplay Changes

So what’s new from Virtua Fighter 4, you ask?

Throws: The speed at which throws come out have been lowered, from 8 frames to 12 frames. However, 0-frame (instant) throws make their triumphant return from Virtua Fighter 3, in which a throw comes out instantly against an opponent in a guaranteed throw situation.

Clash System: When an attack and a throw connect with the correct timing, the moves cancel out, leaving the players with no frame advantage over eachother.

Offensive Move: Pressing P+K+G during an evade will now initiate a dash to attempt to get around to your opponents side or back. P+K during an evade will do the standard evade attack from VF4 now.

Veteran Fighters


Akira Yuki
Country: Japan
Fighting Style: Hakkyoku-Ken


Aoi Umenokouji
Country: Japan
Fighting Style: Aiki Ju-Jutsu


Brad Burns
Country: Italy
Fighting Style: Kick Boxing


Goh Hinogami
Country: Unknown
Fighting Style: Judo


Jacky Bryant
Country: U.S.A.
Fighting Style: Jeet Kune Do


Jeffery McWild
Country: Australia
Fighting Style: Pancratium


Kage Maru
Country: Japan
Fighting Style: Hagakure-ryu Ju-jutsu


Lau Chan
Country: China
Fighting Style: Koen-Ken


Lei-Fei
Country: China
Fighting Style: Shaolin Kung Fu


Lion Rafale
Country: France
Fighting Style: Tourou-Ken


Pai Chan
Country: China
Fighting Style: Ensei-Ken


Sarah Bryant
Country: U.S.A.
Fighting Style: Martial Arts


Shun Di
Country: China
Fighting Style: Drunken Kung-Fu


Vanessa Lewis
Country: Unknown
Fighting Style: Vale Tudo


Wolf Hawkfield
Country: Canada
Fighting Style: Pro-Wrestling

New Comers


Eileen
Country: China
Fighting Style: Kou-Ken


El Blaze
Country: Mexico
Fighting Style: Lucha Libre

Gamer Tag List

Forum Name :: Gamer Tag

Inquisitor :: Sunabozu
Kevin Crist :: I Eat Brainmeat
BigJoeM :: BigJoeM2
TempleWulf :: TempleWulf
LibrarianThorne :: LibThorne40k
The Sneak :: PA The Sneak
Sixfortyfive :: Sixfortyfive
studioaudience::studaud
a Ferret :: CaptainLaCrunch

Kevin Crist

Kevin Crist :: I Eat Brainmeat

typo in OP: 10/30/07, not 8/30.

and isn't that the shipping date, with the game out the next day?

Inquisitor

Woops, yeah, total typo on my part. Also, yes you are correct, that is the the ship date, edited the OP to fix that and to add you to the gamertag list.

I'm so pumped for this game, I've got one of the VF5 Hori 360 arcade sticks coming in the mail. Can't wait to learn El Blaze, about time they added a quick, throw based character.

FreddyD

The characters appear to have aged quite a bit (especially Lau). So how is Shun-Di not dead? His liver must look like a prune by now.

Uh, but back on topic, isn't this game-on thread a little premature? I haven't seen any copies where I live yet. I would love to know how the lag will affect online multiplayer, but I haven't heard a word about it yet.

Inquisitor

The game is already out in Europe, and, it would be nice to have a gamertag list up for the day the game comes out in the U.S. (which is in about 3 days, depending)

The people I've talked to playing in Europe have said the lag is hardly noticeable, probably the best they've seen for a fighting game.

Shun-Di isn't dead because he's shun fucking di, enough said.

StudioAudience

So what's the deal with the hori arcade stick? I thought they were going to release a new one when the game came out? Any chance they're going to do a package-type deal?

Inquisitor

StudioAudience wrote: »

So what's the deal with the hori arcade stick? I thought they were going to release a new one when the game came out? Any chance they're going to do a package-type deal?

The VF5 Hori stick is already out, actually. I don't know if they are going do any sort of package deal.

It's a pretty alright stick, it's very much similar to the DOA4 stick they put out, just with slight modifications to the insides to make things more durable, and with different stickers of course. If you wanted an arcade perfect stick, the only real choice is build it yourself.

DoctorArch

I just love how Sarah Bryant's style is "Martial Arts." AKA Hodgepodge style.

Inquisitor

Yeah, that one always gets me. It's like, come on Sega, you couldn't make up a name?

Ketherial

there are a few more gameplay changes which i think you may have forgotten to list, the most important being bounce combos. there are certain moves that will "bounce" a floating opponent (for example goh's 66pk) that allows for a follow up combo and high damage. the bounce attacks work especially well with the "offensive move+k" which causes a side crumble on counter (i.e., side crumble, bounce attack, follow up combo = big damage).

there are also character specific changes (similar to in 4, where both goh and brad had the "clutch ability), such as el blaze's running around the ring (wolf also has this) and eileen's insane cancel (custom combo) ability (which allows her to interrupt her own strings with certain moves to create better and higher damage combos).

i'll definitely be picking up a 360 for this once there are clearly no more hardware issues.

Vladimir

I already picked up the PAL version of this and I'm happy to confirm that VF5 runs like a dream online. I rarely get any kind of lag, even when playing guys from all over europe...

Regicid3

I love Virtua Fighter 5 but with Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed and possibly Rock Band?

I don't know, guys...

acidlacedpenguin

oh man, I'd be SOOOO in on this, but I just dropped an xbox hueg sum on a new TV, can't justify any more entertainment expenses for the rest of the year :_(

BigJoeM

I'm in

BigJoeM2

Glad to hear the lag isn't bad we'll see how it works in the US.

corin7

Regicid3 wrote: »

I love Virtua Fighter 5 but with Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed and possibly Rock Band?

I don't know, guys...

Ayup I am with you. I have been looking forward to this forever but christ the timing is horrid. I am getting Hellgate, Rock Band and Mass Effect for sure. Assassin's Creed, Virtua Fighter 5 and Call of Duty 4 are on the if I happen to have any monies left after the rest of wallet rape. Also I just can't justify buying this without the stick as the 360 controller is just complete shit for fighting games. So that makes it a damn expensive game.

templewulf

corin7 wrote: »

Also I just can't justify buying this without the stick as the 360 controller is just complete shit for fighting games.

I'm picking up VF5 ASAP, but I don't know what I'll do controller-wise. Now that I've been wirelessly spoiled, I don't know if I can go back to a corded controller (the Hori or the Sega). I may have to either mod the d-pad to be less awful or go whole-hog and mod up my own wireless arcade stick.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Sega stick will be available in stores, or will I have to order away to Japan-land?

Inquisitor

Weren't bounce combos in VF4? Maybe my memory isn't serving me, but I could have sworn Akira had some for sure.

And yes, there have been lots of changes to the characters from VF4 evo, heck, there have been lots of changes between VF5 version B and VF5 version C. So many infact, that there is no way I'd want to list them all in the thread. But yeah, all the characters have been tweaked and rebalanced, and have new moves along with their old classics.

Templewulf: My brother picked up the Hori stick at a store, not sure about the Sega one. Heck, I didn't even know there was a sega one. Alot of people that play VF5 swear that corded controllers are better then wireless ones, due to slight lag issues with wireless controllers. I can't vouch for how true this is or not.

And come on you guys, you know VF5 is better then any game coming out this holiday season. (Note, this statement may or may not be true.)

scootch

sarah bryants style is jeet kun do. why did it turn to unknown in VF5?

Weren't bounce combos in VF4? Maybe my memory isn't serving me, but I could have sworn Akira had some for sure.

you are correct. there are bounce combos in vf4

why is goh's country unknown? his from japan.

Inquisitor

You're getting Sarah Bryant mixed up with her brother, Jacky Bryant. Jacky does the Jeet Kune Do, and Sarah does 'martial arts'. It says her fighting style is martial arts in VF4 as well.

Jeet Kune Do is the fighting style that Bruce Lee invented by combining the aspects he thought were good from several martial arts and some of his own innovations. You can tell Jacky does Jeet Kune Do because he has some of Bruce Lee's signature moves, such as the One Inch Punch.

scootch

she was listed as jeet kun do at somepoint in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Bryant_(computer_game_character)

templewulf

Inquisitor wrote: »

Templewulf: My brother picked up the Hori stick at a store, not sure about the Sega one. Heck, I didn't even know there was a sega one. Alot of people that play VF5 swear that corded controllers are better then wireless ones, due to slight lag issues with wireless controllers. I can't vouch for how true this is or not.

TheSonicRetard clued me in to the Sega stick, which looks pretty rad. I'm fairly convinced that the anti-wireless crowd are just imagining it / being pretentious, but I'm more worried about being able to make my own controller and not break it.

And come on you guys, you know VF5 is better then any game coming out this holiday season except for Mass Effect. (Note, this statement may or may not be true.)

It's true now. :P

I guess you should put me into the OP:
Forum name: TempleWulf
XBox tag: TempleWulf

Inquisitor

I never played VF2. My first was VF4, so, my bad there.

Did she play differently in VF2 then she did in VF4? Because the way she fights now is certainly not Jeet Kune Do. I hear she's actually pretty tough to use now in VF5, thought I think she got buffed for Version C.

I have some joystick making websites on hand, including a soddering guide for the 360 controller, if you want em, TempleWulf.

BigJoeM

Yes she and her brother played very similarly in VF2 and 3.

4 is where she branched off with the Flamingo stance.

templewulf

Inquisitor wrote: »

I never played VF2. My first was VF4, so, my bad there.

Did she play differently in VF2 then she did in VF4? Because the way she fights now is certainly not Jeet Kune Do. I hear she's actually pretty tough to use now in VF5, thought I think she got buffed for Version C.

I'm going to get martial arts elitist on you for a second, but don't hold it against me. One of Lee's primary concerns was the "rigidness" of traditional styles. He emphasized that Jeet Kune Do was not a style, so much as a set of guidelines. Every move is the right one as long as it works in the current situation. So, Sarah could still be practicing Jeet Kune Do on a theoretical level, even if her style isn't the Wing Chun inspired punchy goodness that Lee practiced.

I have some joystick making websites on hand, including a soddering guide for the 360 controller, if you want em, TempleWulf.

I already have a general idea of how to do it, I just don't want to accidentally fuck up a $50 controller. Either way, I'm sure they'd help me or someone else, so post away!

Inquisitor

That's actually pretty interesting to know. I have to admit, I'm not really familiar with Jeet Kune Do, but that definitely is very interesting. I used to take martial arts when I was younger, Tae Kwan Do, and then later Iaido. The interest in martial arts as never left me, and I hope to pick it up again some day.

Here's the soldering guide for the wired 360 controller. I have to assume the wireless one is rather similar.

And the shoryuken forums have an entire sub-forum dedicated to this kind of thing, but the highlights can be found here and here.

I've been humoring the idea of building one myself, somewhere down the road, depending on how well my Hori holds up and performs, and how serious I get about the game.

scootch

the most difficult part is getting the cabinet to hold it all in.

Inquisitor

Anyone know a place online where I can look up what different pictures are in the gamerpics packs for VF5?

templewulf

Inquisitor wrote: »

That's actually pretty interesting to know. I have to admit, I'm not really familiar with Jeet Kune Do, but that definitely is very interesting. I used to take martial arts when I was younger, Tae Kwan Do, and then later Iaido. The interest in martial arts as never left me, and I hope to pick it up again some day.

The first style Lee learned (iirc) was Wing Chun. It emphasizes practicality and economy of motion, which is fundamental to Jeet Kune Do. He also incorporated some Kali from Dan Inosanto as well as learned the TKD-style sidekick from my teacher's teacher. In that sense, Jeet Kune Do is more like a set of principles to be applied to MMA in general.

Here's the soldering guide for the wired 360 controller. I have to assume the wireless one is rather similar.

And the shoryuken forums have an entire sub-forum dedicated to this kind of thing, but the highlights can be found here and here.

I've been humoring the idea of building one myself, somewhere down the road, depending on how well my Hori holds up and performs, and how serious I get about the game.

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out when I get home.

To help me determine whether or not to build one, can you tell me how long the cord on the Hori is?

Inquisitor

The cord on the Hori is a little over 8 feet long.

You can buy a Hori stick, and then mod it with real arcade parts. There's two disadvantages to this method however. First, you have to buy a $60 stick just to mod it. Second, it's a royal pain in the but to mod apparently.

Once the game has been out for a week or so, we should try to organize some PA tournaments.

templewulf

Inquisitor wrote: »

The cord on the Hori is a little over 8 feet long.

You know, 8 feet might be enough. If it's USB, I can just get an extension cord for it too.

You can buy a Hori stick, and then mod it with real arcade parts. There's two disadvantages to this method however. First, you have to buy a $60 stick just to mod it. Second, it's a royal pain in the but to mod apparently.

Honestly, Hori makes good enough stuff for me. If the springs are cheap, I can just borrow new ones from a friend of mine (who had to order a minimum of $30 worth of springs). Other than that, I can't imagine how much benefit I would get from adding slightly better parts.

Once the game has been out for a week or so, we should try to organize some PA tournaments.

Yes.

Inquisitor

The cable is USB, which is awesome, because with some fiddling with drivers you can get it to work on your PC as well, for any PC arcade/fighting games you might have. I'm definitely getting my mileage out of it.

And yeah, I have to agree, the stick works well enough for me. I have a feeling the same people that feel the need to replace the parts on the stick are the same people who complain about wireless controller lag.

So? What character/characters are you guys thinking about learning? Right now, I'm going to shoot for trying to learn El Blaze. He's just too awesome/ridiculous to pass up on.

Grath

I was in the other room and I heard a commercial for this on tv, only I couldn't quite make it out. Basically everywhere it said fighter i thought it said High and everywhere it said fighting I thought it said buddy

here is kind of how it sounded.

"Virtal High-Five! voted best buddy game of E3! The most Unique buddy game yet! Play with your friends on line! voted most innovative online buddy game of E3! Virtual High-five!"

I went looking for this game on the intertubes! I want virtual high-five

Inquisitor

It's okay Grath, we're here for you.

High five!

LibrarianThorne

I'll be getting it on either 10/31 or 11/1, depending on when my avenue of choice recieves the game. My roomie will also be playing on my gamertag occasionally, and it's his first Virtua Fighter since 2 so be kind. I'll be using Wolf/Lei Fei and he'll probably stick to El Blaze and maybe Sarah.

Gamertag: LibThorne40k

Ketherial

scootch wrote: »

Weren't bounce combos in VF4? Maybe my memory isn't serving me, but I could have sworn Akira had some for sure.

you are correct. there are bounce combos in vf4

nah, those are slam / flop combos.

easiest example is lei fei's 9k+g (the flying swallow kick thing) vs. his 1p+k.

on a regular hit, the first one slam / flops. so a slam combo might be: 9k+g, p, p, k+g

on a crumbling opponent, the second one bounces. so a bounce combo might be: 46p+k, 1p+k (bounce), p, p, p (or k+g on light weights)

totally different and bounces are only in vf5. you can't do the second combo in vf4.

scootch

ah,, I didn't realise you folks have different names for flop and bounce..

Ketherial

actually, to be quite honest, im not sure what the technical names are. i just call 'em as i see 'em.

in vf5, the opponent actually bounces, like bounces off the ground once (not the fast, hard slam like knock down that the flop / slam causes).

when in doubt, youtube to the rescue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba0KNoe-VSc

at 0:37 (and at 0:47), akira "slams" or "flops" pai with his 46p.

at 0:43, akira bounces a stunned pai with his 43p. at 2:02, pai double bounces akira from a wall stun too (and does fucking HUGE damage).

i hope what i'm trying to say is clearer now.

Inquisitor

scootch wrote: »

ah,, I didn't realise you folks have different names for flop and bounce..

There is a ridiculous amount of lingo that surrounds Virtua Fighter, but that's mainly because it's a ridiculously deep game. For example, some attacks make your opponent crumple (kinda stagger and then fall down). But, there are many different kinds of crumples (head, stomach, foot, back, chin, vital area and side, to be precise) each with their own abbreviations.

A flop is actual a sub-type of a slam. Both involve the players to land on the ground hard, with their legs folding over the heads. A slam just hits the opponent straight down into the ground, while a flop launches them first.

A bounce is more of a re-float/re-launch type maneuver, to extend combos.

Here's a link to the VF5 system info, for further studying/being confused.

Arde

You don't need to know all the lingo to play VF5 - but for even mediocre competitive play, you'll have to go through the whole VF tutorial to make sure you can do and understand all the shit required in VF play.

FreddyD

Arde wrote: »

You don't need to know all the lingo to play VF5 - but for even mediocre competitive play, you'll have to go through the whole VF tutorial to make sure you can do and understand all the shit required in VF play.

Unlike Namco fighters, a good understanding of basic fighting mechanics will help you more than memorizing the move list.

templewulf

FreddyD wrote: »

Arde wrote: »

You don't need to know all the lingo to play VF5 - but for even mediocre competitive play, you'll have to go through the whole VF tutorial to make sure you can do and understand all the shit required in VF play.

Unlike Namco fighters, a good understanding of basic fighting mechanics will help you more than memorizing the move list.

I think that may be true of Tekken, but my favorite part of Soul Calibur is how intuitive it is. Except for the goddamn "Just Frames" they added to SC3. Fuck them.