I'm just glad a lot of the players up convert. I have a huge DVD Library that I'm not just going to re-buy. It's nice that DVDs don't wear out & die like VHS did.
I picked Blu-ray and am going Blu-ray only to keep HD-DVD sales down & Blu-ray up. I even bought Blu-ray before I got my PS3 just to help sales. And my local Blockbusters carry Blu-ray. So when I turn my on-line rentals in store I can rent those for free in addition to getting them in the mail.
I'm just glad a lot of the players up convert. I have a huge DVD Library that I'm not just going to re-buy. It's nice that DVDs don't wear out & die like VHS did.
I picked Blu-ray and am going Blu-ray only to keep HD-DVD sales down & Blu-ray up. I even bought Blu-ray before I got my PS3 just to help sales. And my local Blockbusters carry Blu-ray. So when I turn my on-line rentals in store I can rent those for free in addition to getting them in the mail.
I do it for the same reason that others go HD-DVD only. To kill the other format off sooner.
The serious difference between the two formats is commercial support. Blu-ray has a lot of studios & companies supporting it with software, hardware, & capital. So Blu-ray can take a beating for a long time and hold steady. I'm just wondering how long before a standalone $100 blu-ray player comes out.
I do it for the same reason that others go HD-DVD only. To kill the other format off sooner.
The serious difference between the two formats is commercial support. Blu-ray has a lot of studios & companies supporting it with software, hardware, & capital. So Blu-ray can take a beating for a long time and hold steady. I'm just wondering how long before a standalone $100 blu-ray player comes out.
Blu-ray is a format, not a brand. There is a big difference. If I could spare the money I could go out right now and buy a Blu-ray burner. The quad speed ones are currently $500.
Laserdisc was supported by all of the studios. Never reached mass market status, and BluRay has very little chance of attaining mass market status by intentionally holding prices up so as to not cannibalize PS3 sales.
Blu-ray is a format, not a brand. There is a big difference. If I could spare the money I could go out right now and buy a Blu-ray burner. The quad speed ones are currently $500.
I was pointing out a precedent. The cheapest format tends to win, which blu-Ray is not. Brand is irrelevant.
8-Track & Beta max were used commercially for many years. Betamax is/was very big in the west was was Laser disc. Laser disc was also big in Europe. UMD is not a dead format.
I know many people with PSPs who have a stack of UMD movies. Furthermore UMD is a specially format for the PSP only. Sony would have to release UMD players that would have to fail before you can claim it's dead. But since the PSP slim now connects to TVs we can wait and see what happens with UMD. It can stay in the shadows or it can take off. Either way I can still rent them at Blockbuster.
8-Track & Beta max were used commercially for many years. Betamax is/was very big in the west was was Laser disc. Laser disc was also big in Europe. UMD is not a dead format.
I know many people with PSPs who have a stack of UMD movies. Furthermore UMD is a specially format for the PSP only. Sony would have to release UMD players that would have to fail before you can claim it's dead. But since the PSP slim now connects to TVs we can wait and see what happens with UMD. It can stay in the shadows or it can take off. Either way I can still rent them at Blockbuster.
But overall they were still clobbered by cheaper formats. That's my point.
I tossed UMD in there because Sony was trying to sell it as a format (remember all the ads?).
BluRay has very little chance of attaining mass market status by intentionally holding prices up so as to not cannibalize PS3 sales.
Depends on where you shop. I pay around $20 for Blu-ray from Fry's and buy them on-line. Even when DVD became more popular some places charged +$25 for them like Target & Blockbuster. It all comes down to the store. I know Best Buy is still pricey on Blu-ray, Sam's Clubs are alright. I have no idea about Wal-mart, Target, or Costco at the moment.
But overall they were still clobbered by cheaper formats. That's my point.
Not quite, but close enough. Cassette taps I believe had better quality ribbon that lasted longer and were smaller. VHS won over all for home use because of Porn. Laser Disc, I actually don't know enough about them to really even talk about.
How did we get into this? Ok, lets back it up back to Blu-ray & HD-DVD.
Ok, I know I'm being a bit narrow minded. And I say a bit instead of just narrow minded for reasons. First, because it's not brand name related. Some people hate Blu-ray because of Sony.
Second, I've known about & followed Blu-ray from the start. I saw what it did, what it had, and liked it. I knew way back that the PS3 would have it and I was glad it did because I hate removed content & disc swaping.
It's not going to hurt me if Blu-ray fails for movies because the players will be around for a long time and I can still watch the ones I have. I just don't see it failing. As of now I just can't get some movies on HD disc. I can watch the DVD versions upconverted, it doesn't bother me that much because they look fine at the moment.
How did we get into this? Ok, lets back it up back to Blu-ray & HD-DVD.
Ok, I know I'm being a bit narrow minded. And I say a bit instead of just narrow minded for reasons. First, because it's not brand name related. Some people hate Blu-ray because of Sony.
Second, I've known about & followed Blu-ray from the start. I saw what it did, what it had, and liked it. I knew way back that the PS3 would have it and I was glad it did because I hate removed content & disc swaping.
It's not going to hurt me if Blu-ray fails for movies because the players will be around for a long time and I can still watch the ones I have. I just don't see it failing. As of now I just can't get some movies on HD disc. I can watch the DVD versions upconverted, it doesn't bother me that much because they look fine at the moment.
I don't like it. I want one HD disc format. So I want it to go away. Then I'll be able to get all new movies on Blu-ray. To me at this point in time HD-DVD seems to only be for movies.
Blu-ray already has a hold in the PC world with drives & even burners for data back-up and this hold is slowly growing. I believe Apple is blu-ray only as well.
I don't like it. I want one HD disc format. So I want it to go away. Then I'll be able to get all new movies on Blu-ray. To me at this point in time HD-DVD seems to only be for movies.
Blu-ray already has a hold in the PC world with drives & even burners for data back-up and this hold is slowly growing. I believe Apple is blu-ray only as well.
who the fuck cares if one wins as a storage medium and one wins as a media medium, it MIGHT make sense to very few people to buy a $500 blu ray burner, but really, with the DL DVD drives, for $30, who really needs that at this point?
i think what ever one can give me the best deal should win, and *shock* thats turning out to be HD-DVD. 99 bucks is cheap for a DVD upscaler, add next gen format that equals blu-ray? and i struggle to see what the other $300 is getting me. more/better movies? no. better quality? not that my eye can distinguish. future proofing? both formats are still expanding, simular to how we have DVD9's on the market at the moment.
Cheaper in this case does equal better, as the alternative is offering much more for the price tag that is multiple times as high.
Who the hell would use discs, any kind of optical disc, for data backup? Further, who in their right mind would spend $500 for a Blu-ray burner for data backup so you can write 50 GB disc? $500 can get you two external 1 TB drives. A drive that almost any computer could read. How many computers can read BR discs?
The only reason to buy a Blu Ray burner right now (or ever, imo) would be to burn Blu Ray movies.
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Think of it this way, if you do buy it, and it does fail (which personally I think things will go the other way), in 30 years you can be like that old guy on your block with the like-new Betamax system.
and for $100 dollars it's also a pretty good upconverting DVD player , so you win anyway you slice it, that price was to good to pass up, and I didnt.
I have a pretty good upconverting DVD player already.
I seriously hope this format war dies soon so I can make the move to HD for my movies.
the format war cant end until people like you decide to pick a side, go with the side that is giving you the best deal, that player was not just a pretty-good upconverting player (no upconverting restrictions over HDMI btw) but it is capable of HD movies right now today, it comes with 5 free HD-DVD movies, which would run you more than the price of the player, and ofcourse its a damn good deal. the war is over when you pick a side, and not before then.
Yeah that's nice and all, but if I pick the wrong side I'm pretty much F'd in the A. It's too big of an investment to be making that kind of a risk, especially after you consider disc purchases.
1) I have a PS3 that plays BR movies, thus I don't have to worry about (spending more money than I already have on this PS3) purchasing a stand-a-lone player.
2) I've already began building up my BR collection on top of my DVD collection, I don't need a 3rd.
3) I think the Blue packaging looks better than the Dark-Red HD-DVD is using.
4) BR is shorter than HD-DVD (in terms of an acronym)
5) Not all of my points are serious, mostly just 1 and 2.
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Why must it always be Red Versus Blue?
Seriously.
Our political parties, team deathmatch, the format war... It's just odd.
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Our political parties, team deathmatch, the format war... It's just odd.
Colors come from nature.
Colors can represent a lot of things. But in terms of Red vs Blue. They never get along. What are 2 elements come quickly to your mind that might explain Red vs Blue. Fire vs Water?
Red and Blue are also Primary colors (along with Yellow). We wouldn't want secondary colors running the world now would we?
Who the hell would use discs, any kind of optical disc, for data backup? Further, who in their right mind would spend $500 for a Blu-ray burner for data backup so you can write 50 GB disc? $500 can get you two external 1 TB drives. A drive that almost any computer could read. How many computers can read BR discs?
The only reason to buy a Blu Ray burner right now (or ever, imo) would be to burn Blu Ray movies.
Optical discs are a decent enough way to backup data that changes from day to day, or to distribute an operating system.
You could probably fit an entire Linux distribution and its repository on one HD disc.
Think of it this way, if you do buy it, and it does fail (which personally I think things will go the other way), in 30 years you can be like that old guy on your block with the like-new Betamax system.
and for $100 dollars it's also a pretty good upconverting DVD player , so you win anyway you slice it, that price was to good to pass up, and I didnt.
I have a pretty good upconverting DVD player already.
I seriously hope this format war dies soon so I can make the move to HD for my movies.
the format war cant end until people like you decide to pick a side, go with the side that is giving you the best deal, that player was not just a pretty-good upconverting player (no upconverting restrictions over HDMI btw) but it is capable of HD movies right now today, it comes with 5 free HD-DVD movies, which would run you more than the price of the player, and ofcourse its a damn good deal. the war is over when you pick a side, and not before then.
Yeah that's nice and all, but if I pick the wrong side I'm pretty much F'd in the A. It's too big of an investment to be making that kind of a risk, especially after you consider disc purchases.
the idea is that the 98 dollar HD-DVD player is at such a low price that it does not hurt you to pick a side. You think it will hurt me? I can now enjoy HD-DVD's , upscale all my movies and all it cost me was $98 dollars. I get 5 free HD-DVD's in the mail to boot, which would have cost more than the price of the player as it is. It's not like choosing betamax or vhs because as I understand it betamax and vhs were going for a grand a peice and that was probabally more like 2 grand today. For less than 100 dollars im not getting burned no matter what happens, and I can help put a nail in sony's coffin.
Think of it this way, if you do buy it, and it does fail (which personally I think things will go the other way), in 30 years you can be like that old guy on your block with the like-new Betamax system.
and for $100 dollars it's also a pretty good upconverting DVD player , so you win anyway you slice it, that price was to good to pass up, and I didnt.
I have a pretty good upconverting DVD player already.
I seriously hope this format war dies soon so I can make the move to HD for my movies.
the format war cant end until people like you decide to pick a side, go with the side that is giving you the best deal, that player was not just a pretty-good upconverting player (no upconverting restrictions over HDMI btw) but it is capable of HD movies right now today, it comes with 5 free HD-DVD movies, which would run you more than the price of the player, and ofcourse its a damn good deal. the war is over when you pick a side, and not before then.
Yeah that's nice and all, but if I pick the wrong side I'm pretty much F'd in the A. It's too big of an investment to be making that kind of a risk, especially after you consider disc purchases.
the idea is that the 98 dollar HD-DVD player is at such a low price that it does not hurt you to pick a side. You think it will hurt me? I can now enjoy HD-DVD's , upscale all my movies and all it cost me was $98 dollars. I get 5 free HD-DVD's in the mail to boot, which would have cost more than the price of the player as it is. It's not like choosing betamax or vhs because as I understand it betamax and vhs were going for a grand a peice and that was probabally more like 2 grand today. For less than 100 dollars im not getting burned no matter what happens, and I can help put a nail in sony's coffin.
exactally, and i think a lot of people are going to be thinking this way this holiday season, all toshiba needs to do is keep enough A2's out there at that price, and pay stores to keep them in the front where people will see them in a nice display with the big releases like transformers, troy, and 300. they would catch up in just a few months if they went on this kind of agressive campaign.
and keep the 200-$400 players back in the electronics section for those that *must have the highest quality, to see the format at the front at a low price will get people more comfertable to pay more for the more upscale versions.
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AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
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I was in Wal-Mart today and they still had a big stack of HD-A2s. The price is now $198, however.
I was in Wal-Mart today and they still had a big stack of HD-A2s. The price is now $198, however.
its not that they still had a big stack, I asked at several walmarts and was told that they would definetly be getting more but after that friday the sale was over, the price is 198, which is still LOW and was crazy low for an HD-DVD player a week before hand, the HD-A2's you see there are probabally another batch and id bet there are other specials this holiday for em to come, but even so, $198 is still a great price and the lowest price for an HD player , the lower price had me get one last friday, while this price which I thought was great (and is) would have had me getting it early december
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edited November 2007
DVD empire does it's own numbers.
For instance, the past couple weeks have been 51/49, and 55/45, both in favor of Blu... wheras he makes the gap much wider than it actually is because the numbers only represent what he sees.
What's REALLY crazy is that I expect Blu Ray to still have the lead this week, despite the fact that more HD-DVD players probably sold than copies of Spider-Man 3, due to the fact that Wal-Mart is not a part of NPD.
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I was in Wal-Mart today and they still had a big stack of HD-A2s. The price is now $198, however.
its not that they still had a big stack, I asked at several walmarts and was told that they would definetly be getting more but after that friday the sale was over, the price is 198, which is still LOW and was crazy low for an HD-DVD player a week before hand, the HD-A2's you see there are probabally another batch and id bet there are other specials this holiday for em to come, but even so, $198 is still a great price and the lowest price for an HD player , the lower price had me get one last friday, while this price which I thought was great (and is) would have had me getting it early december
I just think they didn't sell as well as one would expect at that sub $100 price.... probably because of persistent format confusion and whatnot. Format wars are teh suck.
Ummm, no. They sold out nationwide. The ones you saw are a second shipment that arrived during the weekend. The A2 is now a replenishable item at $198.
I'm certain I'm not going to help by doing this, but I plan on most likely having capabilities for watching both formats before a winner emerges. I jumped on the xBox 360 HD-DVD deal a few weeks back (which as pointed out, the bonuses easily offset the the drives price with free Heroes season one, two movies instantly, and five by rebate) and I plan on grabbing a PS3 while their five free movie deal is in effect.
In terms of console relations, I really like that the 360's is a separate drive. If the drive wonks out, my console isn't useless. If Blu-Ray wins, maybe we'll see a BR drive for the 360. If HD-DVD wins, maybe we'll be able to connect the 360 HD-DVD drive to a PS3. These are all wild speculations, I'm just theorizing here.
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Firewall vs. The Frighteners: Harrison Ford does kick ass, but I hear the movie was average. Don't really know anything about The Frighteners, but it's one of those movies that I feel like I should know about it.
The Frighteners is made of absolute win. Peter Jackson directed, Danny Elfman orchestrated (plus a damn good movie anyways). Although I'm curious how the special effects will stand up once they're paraded around in high def. Same with some other movies, like Jurassic Park. Will some of these movies that had cutting edge CG when they were first out still be as impressive?
I'm seeing mention of Lord of the Rings FotR and it's comparison shots (clicky). Is this actually out?
In terms of console relations, I really like that the 360's is a separate drive. If the drive wonks out, my console isn't useless. If Blu-Ray wins, maybe we'll see a BR drive for the 2880. If HD-DVD wins, maybe we'll be able to connect the 360 HD-DVD drive to a PS3. These are all wild speculations, I'm just theorizing here.
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Argh, Black Hawk Down as well? Crap, now I need to find another walmart to hit up.
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I picked Blu-ray and am going Blu-ray only to keep HD-DVD sales down & Blu-ray up. I even bought Blu-ray before I got my PS3 just to help sales. And my local Blockbusters carry Blu-ray. So when I turn my on-line rentals in store I can rent those for free in addition to getting them in the mail.
What do you hope do gain by doing that?
The serious difference between the two formats is commercial support. Blu-ray has a lot of studios & companies supporting it with software, hardware, & capital. So Blu-ray can take a beating for a long time and hold steady. I'm just wondering how long before a standalone $100 blu-ray player comes out.
Probably sometime in 2009.
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8-Track, Betamax, Laserdisc, UMD
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I was pointing out a precedent. The cheapest format tends to win, which blu-Ray is not. Brand is irrelevant.
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8-Track & Beta max were used commercially for many years. Betamax is/was very big in the west was was Laser disc. Laser disc was also big in Europe. UMD is not a dead format.
I know many people with PSPs who have a stack of UMD movies. Furthermore UMD is a specially format for the PSP only. Sony would have to release UMD players that would have to fail before you can claim it's dead. But since the PSP slim now connects to TVs we can wait and see what happens with UMD. It can stay in the shadows or it can take off. Either way I can still rent them at Blockbuster.
But overall they were still clobbered by cheaper formats. That's my point.
I tossed UMD in there because Sony was trying to sell it as a format (remember all the ads?).
Depends on where you shop. I pay around $20 for Blu-ray from Fry's and buy them on-line. Even when DVD became more popular some places charged +$25 for them like Target & Blockbuster. It all comes down to the store. I know Best Buy is still pricey on Blu-ray, Sam's Clubs are alright. I have no idea about Wal-mart, Target, or Costco at the moment.
Not quite, but close enough. Cassette taps I believe had better quality ribbon that lasted longer and were smaller. VHS won over all for home use because of Porn. Laser Disc, I actually don't know enough about them to really even talk about.
Ok, I know I'm being a bit narrow minded. And I say a bit instead of just narrow minded for reasons. First, because it's not brand name related. Some people hate Blu-ray because of Sony.
Second, I've known about & followed Blu-ray from the start. I saw what it did, what it had, and liked it. I knew way back that the PS3 would have it and I was glad it did because I hate removed content & disc swaping.
It's not going to hurt me if Blu-ray fails for movies because the players will be around for a long time and I can still watch the ones I have. I just don't see it failing. As of now I just can't get some movies on HD disc. I can watch the DVD versions upconverted, it doesn't bother me that much because they look fine at the moment.
But that doesn't answer my question. :P
Why are you actively trying to kill HD-DVD?
I don't like it. I want one HD disc format. So I want it to go away. Then I'll be able to get all new movies on Blu-ray. To me at this point in time HD-DVD seems to only be for movies.
Blu-ray already has a hold in the PC world with drives & even burners for data back-up and this hold is slowly growing. I believe Apple is blu-ray only as well.
who the fuck cares if one wins as a storage medium and one wins as a media medium, it MIGHT make sense to very few people to buy a $500 blu ray burner, but really, with the DL DVD drives, for $30, who really needs that at this point?
i think what ever one can give me the best deal should win, and *shock* thats turning out to be HD-DVD. 99 bucks is cheap for a DVD upscaler, add next gen format that equals blu-ray? and i struggle to see what the other $300 is getting me. more/better movies? no. better quality? not that my eye can distinguish. future proofing? both formats are still expanding, simular to how we have DVD9's on the market at the moment.
Cheaper in this case does equal better, as the alternative is offering much more for the price tag that is multiple times as high.
The only reason to buy a Blu Ray burner right now (or ever, imo) would be to burn Blu Ray movies.
Yeah that's nice and all, but if I pick the wrong side I'm pretty much F'd in the A. It's too big of an investment to be making that kind of a risk, especially after you consider disc purchases.
1) I have a PS3 that plays BR movies, thus I don't have to worry about (spending more money than I already have on this PS3) purchasing a stand-a-lone player.
2) I've already began building up my BR collection on top of my DVD collection, I don't need a 3rd.
3) I think the Blue packaging looks better than the Dark-Red HD-DVD is using.
4) BR is shorter than HD-DVD (in terms of an acronym)
5) Not all of my points are serious, mostly just 1 and 2.
Seriously.
Our political parties, team deathmatch, the format war... It's just odd.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Colors come from nature.
Colors can represent a lot of things. But in terms of Red vs Blue. They never get along. What are 2 elements come quickly to your mind that might explain Red vs Blue. Fire vs Water?
Red and Blue are also Primary colors (along with Yellow). We wouldn't want secondary colors running the world now would we?
Which is probably the silliest one to be in! Go me!
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Optical discs are a decent enough way to backup data that changes from day to day, or to distribute an operating system.
You could probably fit an entire Linux distribution and its repository on one HD disc.
the idea is that the 98 dollar HD-DVD player is at such a low price that it does not hurt you to pick a side. You think it will hurt me? I can now enjoy HD-DVD's , upscale all my movies and all it cost me was $98 dollars. I get 5 free HD-DVD's in the mail to boot, which would have cost more than the price of the player as it is. It's not like choosing betamax or vhs because as I understand it betamax and vhs were going for a grand a peice and that was probabally more like 2 grand today. For less than 100 dollars im not getting burned no matter what happens, and I can help put a nail in sony's coffin.
exactally, and i think a lot of people are going to be thinking this way this holiday season, all toshiba needs to do is keep enough A2's out there at that price, and pay stores to keep them in the front where people will see them in a nice display with the big releases like transformers, troy, and 300. they would catch up in just a few months if they went on this kind of agressive campaign.
and keep the 200-$400 players back in the electronics section for those that *must have the highest quality, to see the format at the front at a low price will get people more comfertable to pay more for the more upscale versions.
its not that they still had a big stack, I asked at several walmarts and was told that they would definetly be getting more but after that friday the sale was over, the price is 198, which is still LOW and was crazy low for an HD-DVD player a week before hand, the HD-A2's you see there are probabally another batch and id bet there are other specials this holiday for em to come, but even so, $198 is still a great price and the lowest price for an HD player , the lower price had me get one last friday, while this price which I thought was great (and is) would have had me getting it early december
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Interesting numbers...
For instance, the past couple weeks have been 51/49, and 55/45, both in favor of Blu... wheras he makes the gap much wider than it actually is because the numbers only represent what he sees.
What's REALLY crazy is that I expect Blu Ray to still have the lead this week, despite the fact that more HD-DVD players probably sold than copies of Spider-Man 3, due to the fact that Wal-Mart is not a part of NPD.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I just think they didn't sell as well as one would expect at that sub $100 price.... probably because of persistent format confusion and whatnot. Format wars are teh suck.
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In terms of console relations, I really like that the 360's is a separate drive. If the drive wonks out, my console isn't useless. If Blu-Ray wins, maybe we'll see a BR drive for the 360. If HD-DVD wins, maybe we'll be able to connect the 360 HD-DVD drive to a PS3. These are all wild speculations, I'm just theorizing here.
The Frighteners is made of absolute win. Peter Jackson directed, Danny Elfman orchestrated (plus a damn good movie anyways). Although I'm curious how the special effects will stand up once they're paraded around in high def. Same with some other movies, like Jurassic Park. Will some of these movies that had cutting edge CG when they were first out still be as impressive?
I'm seeing mention of Lord of the Rings FotR and it's comparison shots (clicky). Is this actually out?
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Amazon says HD-DVD, with no release date given. That's what's making me curious about the HD comparisons of The Fellowship.