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Something Old; Something New: A Discussion.

mullymully Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in Artist's Corner
Here's the idea.

This is basically an inspiration thread. What's you do:

Post something old, and something new.

Post the oldest work of yours that you can find, and then find your most recent, in the same medium, and post them together.

I think if we all show where we've come from, we can in turn see where we want to go, and give inspiration to others out there who may think that they won't get any better.

I'll go first:

Oekaki/OpenCanvas:

OLD :
lotr.jpgewan.jpg
avril1.jpg

NEW:
stampede.jpg
houseoftherisingsun.jpg
kissyskull.png
tearsofwhore.jpg
sickohnoes1.jpg
Kitties_Are_So_Nice_by_mulldacity.png
Mel_Brooks_by_mulldacity.jpg
Hello_Hello_by_mulldacity.jpg


I think that the thing I've improved upon the most is learning what colours to use where. I'm still learning that, of course, but man - as you can see - I've certainly got a better grip on it! The other thing I've learned that has helped me a lot is facial structure. I ignore it every so often and my work suffers greatly.

Oh, also? The incredibly large gaudy signature. What.. the hell, 18 year old me.

Your turn!

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    As7As7 Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    santaAS.gif
    Arsenic7MSP-full.png

    VS.

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    skullbattle.png

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    rad, i can see in the first one there that you didn't even want to bother with lighting, whereas in the second one you make a conscious clear effort to put the shadow where it belongs, and give a nice sense of distance with that background! hooray :D

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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Sounds fun, my newer stuff has been posted elsewhere, but I'll repost them here for this:

    All of mine are inks colored in photoshop.

    2001, my first digitally colored scanned inks. I had just gotten photoshop and remember how pissed of I was that I couldn't get rid of the white halos around my lines. ha!
    skankingutsy.jpg
    2002, Used on my band in highschool's website, I'm on the left:
    street2.gif
    2005, logos done in illustrator. This was the beginning of my coloring with the polygon selection tool.
    finals25.jpg
    2006, a commision for a furry:
    bonerforfoxes.gif
    2006, the first comic strip I have predating the ones on our website, made for work:
    tradecomic.gif
    this past Sept, chosen because of the similar setting to the 2002 pic, sidewalk, brick wall, lamp post, etc:
    090107c.jpg
    last month, shown to contrast the character designs, and lettering skill shown from the GameStop ad:
    101807c.jpg

    man, scrolling through those old folders was fun....

    ...and humbling :D

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    yes yes! that's the point! :D
    awesome way to do it, too - i love how you separated by the year.
    you've definitely come a long way! nicely done.

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    fun!

    My first thing done in illustrator which was in 2005:
    polarflow.png
    Most recent illustrator work:
    minoanfert.png
    deerguana.jpg

    My first done in Photoshop, 2002-2003 (this is actually not my first photoshop work, but looks enough like my actual first stuff to count i guess...)
    Little_Lollipop_Girl.jpg
    Busted.jpg
    squi_revenge.jpg
    Yokle_Poster_Campaign.jpg

    Current stuff done in Photoshop:
    sleepy.jpg
    zangarmarsh.jpg
    tf2scout.png

    Old pen drawings (2001-2002):
    Melba_pensketch_2001.jpg
    Road_Hog.jpg
    beaverpee.jpg

    New pen drawings:
    kirin.jpg
    scout.jpg

    and of course, i can never post in an old bad art thread without showing you all what i did in 1997 in MSPaint:
    adultgold.gif
    new stuff done in facebook graffiti (mspaint jr) (lol i just realized this is a decade later.)
    megatron.png
    kitty.png
    cephalopod.png

    things i've learned:
    sometimes less is more
    line width variation is nice!
    a lot more about the ins and outs of the software i use. particularly illustrator which as most people who remember me from around this forum will attest to, i friggen loved illustrator. it was my software of choice for the year or so i frequented the pa:ac. that all comes with dicking around with the programs though, and really wanting to figure it out. if you sit down for an intimate evening with illustrator, first he will rape you. really hard, and you'll probably cry. then you sort of start to like it. then all of a sudden you find yourself in control, and you donkey punch adobe. BITCH
    pngs > jpgs.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Nice idea for a thread, especially since I've been in a, "Oh God I suck, why bother?" slump lately. First, some background on me. I've been doodling in one form or another most of my life, but never with any real urge to improve, and mostly just in the margins of notebooks like most kids. Then, around my senior year of high school, a friend reintroduced me to comics and I actually started to take art a bit more seriously, though it was still just something to do in class while I ignored the teacher. Today, it's four years later, I'm stuck in a miserable job, and I take art a lot more seriously. Next Fall I'm re-enrolling in college at a local school to get a degree in art, and hopefully become a more well-rounded artist. My ultimate career aspiration in life is to become a comic book artist/writer, but failing that, I'd just like to draw cool shit and be paid for it.

    I'm not sure of exactly when I did all these, but I can approximate it. Sorry for not having much in the way of completed pieces either, I wasn't really the type to finish stuff as a youngin', and even now I have a hard time doing it. This is the first page of my oldest sketchbook, done around 2003-'04.
    Inspiration1.jpg
    I should have had my hands removed just for this.

    From my second sketchbook, still done in '04 at some time.
    Inspiration2.jpg
    I don't know what's worse, the drawing or the fact that at I was actually inspired by the Dark Knight Strikes Again.

    From my third sketchbook, still done in High School during '04.
    Inspiration3.jpg

    Inspiration4.jpg
    At least they're vaguely human-shaped.

    From my fourth sketchbook, which I did almost entirely in ballpoint pen, while sitting in my community college classes. This was around 2005 or so.
    Inspiration5.jpg
    I actually went through this one a month or two back and redrew a few quick sketches just to see how I'd approach things now. You can see one in the lower left there with Deadpool.

    By the time I got to my fifth sketchbook, done during 05' and '06, I was sucking considerably less, but stuff like proportions, line width variation, shading, and perspective were still mostly absent. Most of this is around a year old now. Happy birthday crappy drawings!
    Inspiration6.jpg

    Inspiration7.jpg

    Inspiration8.jpg

    In my most recent sketchbook, the first several pages are pretty awful, but by the end of it, I was actually drawing completed stuff, and being much more attentive to dynamic poses, perspective, shading, and proportions.
    BoosterGoldA.jpg

    BlueBeetle2-1.jpg

    Random30.jpg

    Random31.jpg

    DailyDraw1.jpg

    DailyDraw4.jpg

    DailyDraw2.jpg

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    ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Alright boys, let's take a trip through time.

    (You said the oldest you could find.. Well for everybody's sake I'm drawing the line at 6th grade. Nobody wants to see my NAZI versus US super battle fortress warzone drawings)

    These pencils start out circa 2000-ish

    seifer.jpg
    animoo.jpg

    A few years later, something from just around the time I joined the PAAC (2003). The soldier one was for one of the old weekly activities we used to do around here, and as you can see the resemblance to tom hanks is immaculate.

    dunmer.jpg
    ryan.jpg

    I got my Wacom in 2005 and so I started to teach myself how to paint--My experience with painting at this point was basically an ART A survey class in high school, maybe 2 things.

    nightelfj.jpg
    dragonocolorf.jpg

    And now finally we have recent stuff that I've done in the last month or so. Where will I be in two more years..

    sep26femalestudy.jpg
    handstudy.jpg
    characters.jpg

    marauderfinal.jpg
    folksoulweb.jpg

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited November 2007
    Scosglen wrote: »
    (You said the oldest you could find.. Well for everybody's sake I'm drawing the line at 6th grade. Nobody wants to see my NAZI versus US super battle fortress warzone drawings)
    What?! Those are the best old drawings! I wish I still had some of those.

    I remember that Tom Hanks thing though, and it makes me sad to see how little I've drawn since that happened and how much you've improved. Let me dig up some stuff though...

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    ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    bombardier wrote: »
    Scosglen wrote: »
    (You said the oldest you could find.. Well for everybody's sake I'm drawing the line at 6th grade. Nobody wants to see my NAZI versus US super battle fortress warzone drawings)
    What?! Those are the best old drawings! I wish I still had some of those.

    I remember that Tom Hanks thing though, and it makes me sad to see how little I've drawn since that happened and how much you've improved. Let me dig up some stuff though...

    Oh fine.

    war-1.jpg

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    OverlordOverlord Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I would have loved to take apart in this. But when I finished highschool I did the dumb thing of throwing out all of my old sketchbooks in a fit of "they suck". I would advise no one to ever do what I did.

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    KilljoyKilljoy __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Scosglen, that's fantastic.

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Holy crap, Sco, you've come a long way! :O Your pencil work is inspirational by itself.

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    erisian popeerisian pope Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Oh noes, a photographer has invaded the thread! :-P



    SOMETHING OLD:
    (first pictures I ever posted to any forum thinking they contained some artistic value ... and boy was I wrong)

    box-3.jpg
    box-5.jpg



    SOMETHING NEW:

    IMG_1996.jpg
    mg0821or9.jpg

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    EDIT: Well, look at you holy father, getting awesome.

    Oldest stuff I can find is on my DA account.
    Pipe_Dreams_by_BigYellowBird-1.png
    Ghost_of_the_Warrior_by_BigYellowBi.jpg
    Graphite_Samurai_by_BigYellowBird.jpg
    Hint__It_s_Not_a_Rabbit_by_BigYello.png


    Nu
    Elf_Mage__Colored_by_BigYellowBird.jpg
    The_Red_Corsair_WIP2_by_BigYellowBi.jpg
    8.jpg

    so much for improvement.

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    Asamof the HorribleAsamof the Horrible Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Holy crap scolsgen, I did drawings just like that one in the 3rd and 4th grade. in fact, I drew warzone drawings like that almost everyday.

    one time the teacher saw me drawing it, and she threw it away and said she never wants to see me drawing that again

    I wish I still had them ;_; I don't know where they went since I did so many

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited November 2007
    Scos that drawing is better than anyone here can hope to accomplish. We might as well pack up shop right now.

    Alright here I go, I will steal pope's photo idea later. Drawings for now.

    Digital, early 2004/late 2003:
    ruskie.png
    duskeagle.png
    accrusade.jpg
    Digital, late 2004:
    fox.png
    Digital, early 2005/late 2005:
    tiger.png
    wolf.png
    Digital, 2007 recent (yes I'm a slacking whore):
    baltar.jpg
    bundy.jpg
    Pencils, late 2003/early 2004:
    First thing I ever posted here, copied out of a strategy guide:
    kimahri.png
    gargoyle.jpg
    jamesbond.jpg
    indiana.gif
    Pencils, life drawing 2005 sometime:
    oldlife1.jpg
    oldlife2.jpg
    Pencils, life drawing 2006:
    life01.jpg
    life02.jpg
    life06.jpg
    Pencils, life drawing/refwork 2007:
    01.jpg
    handgun.jpg
    citizenconan.jpg
    lifemarker.jpg

    College and general lack of modivation and discipline are my excuses for not doing a hell of a lot. I've been in life drawing classes the past year and a half to keep me drawing at least every week.

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    NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I still love that hand-gun drawing, bombs.

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    ScumdoggScumdogg Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Good lord, i got out a binder of 4 or 5 year old drawings, oldest stuff i had within arms reach. Upon close inspection of them, i think i'm actually getting *worse*. My stuff might be getting technically better, but i think it's less creative and less entertaining overall. :(

    I had to go back 8 years to find stuff that makes my current stuff look awesome.

    Here are two from the late 90's. Mind you, i was *starting college* at this point, and everyone was telling me i was the bee's knees, artwise. I shouldn't have listened.
    SatansChoiceLunchbox.jpg

    OldBeholder.jpg

    Then here are some from four years ago. Maybe five.
    SuperRobotPandaDance.jpg

    LunchMoney.jpg

    Now, here's pretty much where i'm at now:
    BFM2.jpg

    sharkmouth.jpg

    Other than the oldest stuff, i don't seem to have evolved much. That's what i get for quitting school. I should also note that i probably *could* find better stuff from any of these eras, i'm just going by what's close at hand...there are drawings stashed everywhere around this joint.

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Pencils/Crayons/Markers

    OLD :
    (1999/2000)
    Dawgwhome.jpg
    car1.jpg
    babybart.jpg


    NEW :
    (2005-2007)
    Warped_Marilyn_Doodle.jpg
    Smiley_On_Green_by_mulldacity.jpg
    To_Chase_The_Goose_Away_by_mulldacity.jpg
    link for huge
    link for huge (true story, too!)

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    the photography made me giggle
    i can totally understand how people would submit the first photos,
    all "simplicity is art"
    but man
    wow have you improved, good gracious D:

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    RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Well, I don't have much that's very old, unless I can find the bf42.com archives... so, here's the oldest of the old, via photobucket.

    Environmental work:
    OLD
    Ketchum.jpg
    NEW
    Room100.jpg

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    NamNam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Old. All from June and July of 2004. I omitted the shittiest anime I did too. My sketchbook from that year is pretty hilarious to look at.

    I remember I spent hours on this one. This is in my memory the first serious drawing I ever did. It marks the start of it all. Dunno why.
    oldone1fk9.jpg
    oldone2ag6.jpg
    oldone3qr9.jpg

    At least I was perceptive at the time on this one.
    oldone4ld6.jpg

    Not even close to being the most anatomically distorted thing in my starting sketchbook from that year.
    oldone5nd8.jpg

    NEW: in this thread: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=39310

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    jesus christ nam
    hahaha
    thats an eye opener
    i was looking at your thread the other day, too

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    MoonmanMoonman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Okay. I'll bite.

    character I drew in a sketchbook I got round bout '00 and an updated drawing I made two minutes ago
    oldNew.jpg

    Clearly I've made strides. :roll:

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    erisian popeerisian pope Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Hahaha, thanks Mully!

    I was thinking a little last night about the ways that one would develop artistic skill in photography and the ways one would in graphical arts and where they overlap. I periodically read the other art threads although I have 0 talent for drawing/painting/design/etc.

    In both mediums one needs to learn "anatomy" (in photography I can't rely on the camera to demonstrate an object any better than your anime-first style artist can draw a convincing person). I have to pay attention to whatever my subject is, decide on which visual characteristics best identify it and its nature, then decide on camera angle etc to best highlight those characteristics. If I just shoot a picture of a coke can, then people are all "oh, it's a coke can," but they don't necessarily feel the immediacy of the coke can or its presence. It's not particularly real. Kinda like learning drawing a superhero and putting muscles wherever one damn well pleases. There's no sense of reality, no presence to the character. But if one studies anatomy and puts the right muscles in the proper places: voila! Now the character starts to come alive.

    Background. I often see people discussing the use of shoddy backgrounds in paintings or drawings and how that can distract the viewer. This is very true in photography.

    Color palette. Hopefully this is as obvious as the background topic: it's vital in both mediums.

    Composition. Same thing. Where the subject is located in the frame, camera angle, negative/positive space, etc. These are all important in both.

    I bet there's more, but this is what occurred to me. So it's been pretty educational for me to see what all you graphical artists are advising each other on, and then to try to think about how that might apply in a photo. And I totally still have a long way to go ...

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    i admire you good photographers, as i have only ever taken one photo that i am genuinely proud of, and likely because i accidentally spilled crap on it to make it look old. and i like old. but it is extremely generic. i dont have an eye for photos like you people do D: (which is funny because people are always like, "youre an artist, i bet you take great photos"!)

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    erisian popeerisian pope Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I similarly admire graphical artists. :D

    I'm blushing at "you good" because I still don't rank myself in that category. That's just my aspiration. But let's just leave it at that, as I don't want this to turn into an ego thing. I am happy to say I have improved, and I hope that if we do a thread like this a year from now I'll be able to post something that is equally improved over my current work.

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    BuckwolfeBuckwolfe Starts With Them, Ends With Us Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Dammit, now I have to post. I can help the way I love these sort of things. The only downside is that I think my artwork has actually gotten worse over the years. Anyway here goes...


    First Time in Photoshop 2005
    9a97731d.jpg


    Photoshop 2007
    LittleBigDaddy.jpg
    Shut up! It's funny.
    PAACBTR3p1textless.jpg
    PAACBTR3p2textless.jpg
    PAACBTR3p3textless.jpg
    ClayfaceColor.jpg


    First Time in Illustrator 2005
    3f8cd747.png
    7688a053.png


    Illustrator 2006
    MichaelRaphaelspaintingInProgressFo.jpg
    SotCCDCover.jpg
    ChameleonDemonAlt.jpg


    Pencils 2004
    Creeper.jpg


    Pencils 2005/06
    HorseHeadUnfinished5.jpg


    Inks 2005
    THEBOXcomplete.jpg


    Inks 2006
    WelcometotheDARKSEIDfinal.jpg

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    NamNam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Nice pics. What kind of camera do you use erisian?

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    erisian popeerisian pope Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Thanks! I use a Canon EOS 20D. Well, I currently use the 20D. Those crates were taken on my Powershot SD550 (7.1mp point-n-shoot). But don't be deceived, that little P&S takes mighty fine pics, too.

    I am in awe of all the art in this thread. So far every poster has impressed me.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Okay, here's mostly old stuff, I'll try to give years too.

    Most spoilered for bigness (a couple are HUGE).

    1998, Pen/Marker
    headachewy6.jpg

    1999, Pen
    plaguebearerow6.jpg

    2001, LOTS of pen (Rapidiograph and others...)
    goffslayerdf4.jpg

    Following are from school... so like 2002-03? Just a couple of my favorites.

    Charcoal, arcrylic, and coffe grounds (!)
    folktaleru0.jpg

    Conte crayon
    bassnt7.jpg

    AND MORE RECENTLY (2006-present)

    Monkeys! Pen + digital (pre-Wacom)
    monkey2si7.gif
    airborneiconrr6.jpg

    Inquisitor (yeah... still WIP, first work with the Wacom)
    sketch7gb7.gif

    Show poster, Ink
    marsbarflyer800by600dz8.jpg

    Okay, tired of linking.

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited November 2007
    That monkeybomb (hee hee) thing is awesome! He's like my arch nemesis in the skies or something.

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    JeckalHydeJeckalHyde Lord Awesome New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    This contains work from in High School and University.
    Its good to actually see a difference in what I have done,
    use of different media, in end kinda looks all the same lol...
    Its also good to see development in a series so there are 3 pictures in the later work.

    Works of 1999-02
    Pencil (NZ band drawing)
    old02.jpg

    Pencil (Artist Impersonation)
    old01.jpg

    Arcylic Paint (End of school art board work)
    old04.jpgold05.jpg

    Pencil (Comic Chara)
    old03.jpg

    Now at university I mostly did time based media,
    so I have a few years of design work that isnt print based.
    I have done honours which I focused more on print based methods so...

    Works of 2006-07

    India Ink on paint (Musicians)
    jeffink.pngmorrisink.pngcreamink.png

    Dry point etching (Musicians)
    zappa.pngjeff.png
    tim.png

    Pencil (Musicians)
    finn.jpgyyy.jpgpipette2.jpgpipette1.jpgpipette3.jpg

    Watercolour Pencil (Design Camp People)
    ozzie1.jpgozzie2.jpg
    ozzie3.jpg

    Screen Print (Rock Concert)
    femnou.jpgmalenou.jpg

    Oil Paint (Oil painting test)
    oil003.jpg

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    Mr. H.G. BlobMr. H.G. Blob Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    That oil painting is coming badassly.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    bombardier wrote: »
    That monkeybomb (hee hee) thing is awesome! He's like my arch nemesis in the skies or something.

    He's one of my favorites.

    I just keep thinking about a B-17 crewed completely by monkeys and start giggling.

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    ArmainaArmaina Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    hmm well, here's one thing I can think of
    these are all open canvas and aside from the first, I chose all that were in my line-less style
    baby_lochness2.jpg
    2003 oC, I only had a Mouse at the time.
    painterly_dj.JPG
    2005 openCanvas 2
    dj_relaxing2.jpg
    2005 openCanvas 3+
    natsumi.jpg
    2006 openCanvas 3+
    kimbodragon.jpg
    Digital Dragon WIP 2007, openCanvas 3+

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    Prof. AwesomeProf. Awesome Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I've wanted to make a thread like this a while ago but totally I forgot about it.

    This thread is most excellent, it gives me hope that I can still Improve ;_;

    [IMG]http://www.corsairs.de/draco/pics/oh ho.jpg[/IMG]

    So, there. I could probably be a lot better by now if I got my priorities straight and practiced more :/

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