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Fatal Shooting at Finnish School

saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7082795.stm

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Interesting spin is that this guy eluded to what he was going to do on Youtube the night before. Here's a mirrored copy of his youtube page:

http://retecool.com/uploads/mirrordir/Sturmgeist89.htm

Don't have much else to add except for the above article. Sorry the original OP was so lacking, I didn't want duplicates made.

How long until YouTube is blamed for this?

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    They'll be blamed in 5... 4... 3... 2...

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    CNN already hinted at it, along with lyrics.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    What I think is somewhat ironic is the dude goes off on his youtube page against mass-media, but leaves this youtube diatribe for people to connect to and read. As well, he left a "press release" for lack of a better word on rapidshare!

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Latest information has 8 victims: headmaster, 2 girls, 5 boys. The killer apparently shot himself and is in critical condition.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    They'll be blamed in 5... 4... 3... 2...

    Don't worry. I'm sure that ultimately they will choose to blame America and not Rock and Roll.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    So, it's not for sure whether or not the shooter is the one with the YouTube account? It certainly seems consistent.

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Oh jesus, he listed "computer games" as a hobby. FUCKING DOOM2!!

    also, he likes Saw 1-3. Wonder what he has against Saw 4?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    He also listed "women" as a hobby.

    I blame this "Catherine" chick he mentions.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche

    Really.

    Even "The Gay Science"?

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    He also listed "women" as a hobby.

    I blame this "Catherine" chick he mentions.

    I'm thrown off by this actually. I think that's the name of his gun.

    it reads "... BDSM, Guns (I love you Catherine), Shooting, ..."

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    http://mjt.nysv.org/jokela/unzip/

    His "Manifesto/Press Release" from the RapidShare link he sent around.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    He sounds like he needs some major help. Too bad the media will just make...something a scapegoat just like always and we'll avoid solving the problem entirely. Just like always.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    mastman wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    He also listed "women" as a hobby.

    I blame this "Catherine" chick he mentions.

    I'm thrown off by this actually. I think that's the name of his gun.

    it reads "... BDSM, Guns (I love you Catherine), Shooting, ..."

    Ah. Well, Full Metal Jacket is on his movie list so that makes sense.

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited November 2007
    Favorite books: "all the works of Nietzsche."

    Case closed.

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  • MexicanMexican Registered User new member
    edited November 2007
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited November 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche

    Really.

    Even "The Gay Science"?

    First of all, damn you Shinto.

    Second, lol fag.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Everything else he listed runs the gamut of the usual suspects of teen angst.

    Fucking Nietzsche.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche

    Really.

    Even "The Gay Science"?

    1984? Fahrenheit 451? The Republic? Of course, he's not a psycho! By murdering his headmaster and fellow students, he's striking out against the authoritarian regime! Of course, he lives in Finland, where there is no authoritarian regime.

    That, however, can be easily swept under the rug by making vague allusions to the Sons of Liberty. It didn't stop them, after all.

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited November 2007
    Mexican wrote: »
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

    Because in high school you are forced daily to come face-to-face with some of the most repugnant individuals you will ever meet?

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    suilimeA wrote: »
    Mexican wrote: »
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

    Because in high school you are forced daily to come face-to-face with some of the most repugnant individuals you will ever meet?

    Don't underestimate High School jocks.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    In high school almost everyone is a repugnant individual.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    saint2e wrote: »
    suilimeA wrote: »
    Mexican wrote: »
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

    Because in high school you are forced daily to come face-to-face with some of the most repugnant individuals you will ever meet?

    Don't underestimate High School jocks.

    Protip: They're not just in HS.

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited November 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    In high school almost everyone is a repugnant individual.

    Precisely.

    I mean shit if I had stayed in Portland for my junior and senior year I'd have probably already done something like this.

    Nietzsche + High school + shitty weather nine months out of the year = school shootings.

    It's science

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    So this took place near helsinki? Like Helsinki, Sweden?

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Is it alright to trivialize the shooter like this? I'm not entirely sure I'm OK with it. I mean, I want to be, because reading that YouTube profile thing made me laugh out loud more than a few times, but isn't this exactly what's creating dipshits like this? They can't deal with the fact that they're pretty insignificant, so they act out in a way that makes them feel significant.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    And then kill themselves like the cowardly fucks that they are. These kids should be barely a blip, their names not remembered. Give them no noteriety, mention the tragedy of the dead and wounded and list the killers name as coward and be done with it.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    The shooter actually failed to kill himself. "Critically wounded" could mean a lot of things, so who knows how he shot himself, but apparently he couldn't just man up and eat the barrel.

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    It's ok to trivialize him. Most people can and do deal with it with no ill effects. Only cowards and people who suck have this extreme violent outbreaks. It can't be blamed on the people at school. It's a combination of his mental ability, how he was raised, how easy it is for him to be violent, and how easily he was fooled into taking all this "damn the man" shit too seriously by books and media.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    mastman wrote: »
    It's ok to trivialize him. Most people can and do deal with it with no ill effects. Only cowards and people who suck have this extreme violent outbreaks. It can't be blamed on the people at school. It's a combination of his mental ability, how he was raised, how easy it is for him to be violent, and how easily he was fooled into taking all this "damn the man" shit too seriously by books and media.

    I think it's a tad bit more complicated then that, and I can good as assure you that he's been used as a social and physical punching bag at some point.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Preacher wrote: »
    So this took place near helsinki? Like Helsinki, Sweden?
    No, Helsinki, China.

    (Helsinki is Finland's capital)

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    mastman wrote: »
    It's ok to trivialize him. Most people can and do deal with it with no ill effects. Only cowards and people who suck have this extreme violent outbreaks. It can't be blamed on the people at school. It's a combination of his mental ability, how he was raised, how easy it is for him to be violent, and how easily he was fooled into taking all this "damn the man" shit too seriously by books and media.

    I think it's a tad bit more complicated then that, and I can good as assure you that he's been used as a social and physical punching bag at some point.

    I got in a lot of fights during high school and elementary school, and I can assure you that 90% of those were because I was taking myself too seriously. External locus of control FTW. This kid blamed everything around him in that profile.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Twas a poor attempt at humor fencing. There was this obscure late 80s film that has a similar line.

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  • MexicanMexican Registered User new member
    edited November 2007
    suilimeA wrote: »
    Mexican wrote: »
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

    Because in high school you are forced daily to come face-to-face with some of the most repugnant individuals you will ever meet?

    Hell, in high school I was king among rejects and even though I had 20 or more tormenters at a time I didnt even once consider taking out those around me. Sure I hated them, but damn it wasnt thier fault they were stupid.

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  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Preacher wrote: »
    And then kill themselves like the cowardly fucks that they are. These kids should be barely a blip, their names not remembered. Give them no noteriety, mention the tragedy of the dead and wounded and list the killers name as coward and be done with it.

    Think about the press that columbine incident had compared to this one. It was all you heard about for weeks and weeks. Faculty had special code announcements to warn others of a similar event taking place. Students would practice evacuations etc. I doubt that this sees half of all stuff. Locally its gonna be a tragedy, globally I don't see it picking up a lot of steam.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Which is good in my eyes brandon. Remember the dead, but fuck the shooter have him be nothing if he lives throw him in prison forever and forget about him. The school should take whatever extra precautions they can to get stronger security if that is even needed. Sometimes you just can't plan away a psycho.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I said it on another forum I'm on, but I hope that he's disabled somehow by shooting himself, and he has to live out the rest of his life, reliant on those he deemed to be "less-evolved" than himself.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Mexican wrote: »
    suilimeA wrote: »
    Mexican wrote: »
    Great another reason to think about changing my major.

    Why is it that people choose schools to go nuts in? What the hell is going through thier twisted minds?

    Because in high school you are forced daily to come face-to-face with some of the most repugnant individuals you will ever meet?

    Hell, in high school I was king among rejects and even though I had 20 or more tormenters at a time I didnt even once consider taking out those around me. Sure I hated them, but damn it wasnt thier fault they were stupid.

    Oh I considered it alright. Well, maybe not in any serious way, like making plans or anything, largely just the immediate reaction along the lines of "I wish I could hate you to death!", and the odd fantasy of pummelling someone twice my size into submission. Real emo kid stuff I guess. :mrgreen:

    Of course, whenever I had had a bad time of it, I'd just load up Doom, Syndicate or Mortal Kombat and vent a bit. Honestly I think that having an outlet like that helped a lot. Gaming used to be a bit of an escape for me, like reading but with more BFG's.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Gaming, or really anything as an outlet, is tenuous at best. Catharsis doesn't vent anger, it just reinforces aggressive behavior.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Preacher wrote: »
    Twas a poor attempt at humor fencing. There was this obscure late 80s film that has a similar line.

    I didn't realize that Die Hard was obscure.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Another joke hedge since fencing didn't get the reference.

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