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no! http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/105656
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/87248
My last one appeared defective by design so fuck it.
Here's something I started today. Listen to this through headphones preferably, unless you have a mac or a bitchin sound card.
- alyosha
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/87248
My last one appeared defective by design so fuck it.
Here's something I started today. Listen to this through headphones preferably, unless you have a mac or a bitchin sound card.
- alyosha
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On the redundancy, it's intentional. It's supposed to start to bore you and make the change that happens more exciting then it actually is. Thanks for the opinion.
Well, I would personally argue that although I can understand the redundancy for this genre, I don't really think you should intentionally try to bore your listeners to make a change "more exciting". I would imagine it would work better if you brought in the change a few beats earlier. That way, their interest is still held, up to the point of introducing the additional beats.
I've noticed the view\post ratio on my music threads are unbalanced. I get the impression people dont like to critisize unproffesional music. Especially music that's abstract and instrumental. This is an art that you have to sit down and listen to, you can't glance at it and start ripping on the artist. That's what I think.
In any case I wouldn't mind discussing compositional theory in this thread, or music theory in general, although I know close to nothing about either.
What do you mean by pretty much all of my music?
So i listened to this sasha guy and he sounds a bit like Cim. You might like Cim. Some laid back electronic grooves.
As for melodies make electronic music exciting : http://www.myspace.com/mouseonmars
I dont think so. Frankly, I dont think your opinion is valid, Grifter, sir. You judge me and all my music before listening to it.
By the end of Bewilderness it's just like fuck all. So I agree, the opinion is valid. With Bewilderness. Because it's incomplete and i'm a lazy bastard.
I assume Grifter's opinion applies to the last two links i sent (besides the myspace). Is that right?
And the art suffers because of it :[
Also I dont get how my music sucks because they dont incorporate melodies. My music might suck, and it might not incorporate melodies, but I dont think one is because of the other.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Chronic Yellow Drip has a few melodies.
What musicians are you suggesting I uh study?
Yellow is pretty much improvised. As for the relavence of the aphex twin sound. I'm using mock synthesizers, where I can modulate the frequency of drums through filters, if I wish. So I'm not sure melody is important outside of the 12 tone system. I post aphex twin because I am using exactly the tools he used. I'm in a way trying to achieve what he has.
As for Bewilderness, that seems retarded inherently by design, so let's put that aside for a bit until I figure out a melody for it.
Mmm.
Yeah.
The random noises bit. That's interesting. I beseech you guys to talk more specifically. Are we talking my whole library of hundreds of songs or Scrotum Totem or what? I'll make sure to incorporate random noises more more harmoniously with what's going on next time.
Grifter, are you suggesting I try mimicking other artists? Also your training is quite impressive. Would you mind showing me some of your work, as an example of how not to fuck things up?
Here's a bit : http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/74875
If you're looking to learn the "rules" of composition (so you can break them), look into learning some counter-point, the rules of voice leading, and the functions of different chord progressions (some cadences also). These are the basis of all music. Though they may seem like they have no relvence to you, you need to know the basics before you can branch out and do crazy stuff.
It's just like msot of the other threads in the AC. If you want to be able to draw crazy stylized figures, you need to learn basic anatomy. Picasso could paint great realistic portraits; the guys from Dillenger Escape Plan all studied at Berklee.
Good luck. Check out some M83.
You bring to my mind Dali. I went to his museum the other day, that is 5 years ago, and everything in it gave me a headache. Except for a couple sketches of some docks. The man drew mad nice sketches. Of course if he posted them here, you guys (and gals) would tear it apart... what I'm trying to say is he was capable of doing the simple literary art.
Nnnh. Humanoid. That's cool. I'll take your advice.
Also, Dali was a bloody fantastic artist. And he was traditionally trained.
I think you're trying to justify your rather uninspired miscreations with people who either have a great deal more knowledge than you do because they have spent a great deal more time studying their craft and taking the advice of their peers and their betters.
Compositionally I think Chronic Yellow Drip is A-Ok!
You're making a lot of excuses. Why don't you try taking some of the critiques you already have and make something new based off of your feedback?
Maybe you're right. First I'm going to look up what Chopped Logic was refering to. For now I'm going to let uh what I have linked to sit. I'm interested in your thoughts on my completed pieces. Hopefully you then can give me a more digested opinion.
People here are making critiques because they don't like the music. I'm a fan of the style, but personally, I find your tracks unfocused and lacking flow. I have trouble bobbing my head to most of it, I can't imagine trying to dance to it.
I took a look a your submissions on newgrounds, and the most recent one, 'drunk drum and bass' has a consistency that the other tracks I heard seem to lack.
For example, although the beginning of 'chronic yellow drip' is somewhat solid, it just goes all to hell after the abrupt change in the middle. If you are going to do something like that, you have to build to some sort of breaking point, a crescendo or a build up of some kind, and then take us to someplace new, but congruent. Remember, the point is not to confuse the listener. If we're dancing to one of your beats and we have to stop to figure out what the new beat is, you've lost us.
'Ska flight' really has the right idea and although it gets muddled towards the end, it's the start of a strong beat. I think you should work on that more.
Have you considered remixing existing songs and adding your own beats? It might help to give you a sense of song structure that is somewhat lacking here.
Ska flight's a real pain. It took me forever to get the first four bars at that level of okay and I really dont know where to go with it, as you can tell. Ska flight is was in response to this topic actually.
I dont have technology to remix music. But I'll keep the thought and mimick some grooves. I've done it before and it didn't turn out so hot (I got this http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/105872 ). But if you think it'll help.
I think i'll try mimicking this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBu5Z-UovQ
Nnnh. I dont think that tune needs a melody.
Also thank you Chopped L. Your references are helping me out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint
That's all I got. That's what I'm going try to digest for now. Eh... M83?
Well I've made something but you're not gonna like it
square affair
energy blast
holy rain
In square affair, it sounds like you have this one note in the melody that doesn't belong in the key, I would try putting that not into the key (for example, if your in C, and its an F#, make it an F or a G.) It might be that it doesnt belong with the chord or something, but its pretty dissonant. It's not terrible but it might sounds better if you change it. Up to you. This ones pretty good in terms of structure I guess. Keep in mind I dont listen to a ton of electronic music.
Energy Blast - Not really feeling this one, kind feels random again. Sorry.
Holy Rain - It's good but feels like its missing something.
I think you should listen to a lot of electronic music and try and figure out what takes good electronic songs from 'good beat + randomness' to 'well constructed song'. The only electronic stuff I really listen to is The Postal Service, Daft Punk, M83 and some others. M83 seems the closest to what you're trying to do, I would check them out.
Here's me with the bass.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/106790
Here's me with some modern electronics.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/106797
That's some hardy advice, chop. I tend to combine C minor penatonic with the major C somtimes because it sounds like shit no matter how you go about it (eeeh the blues scales, that is). I guess I should be experimenting strictly in scale for abit. I'll try to figure out what throws square affair off, mind you my ear is crap.
It's probably the only one worth saving.
Oh yeah and I'll check out M83. I would recomend you to check out Wagon Christ, maybe.
I think I know why my beats are so awkward. For the past couple years I havent been using my own dexterity in my musical ideas. That is I've been using no medium at all just strait from my head to the sequencer. I also have no real conception of 16th notes in real time. I'll start using my bass to mediate more often and see if that does anything. It should help my sense of timing. Ayuh. But I figure uh... that's only one contribution to the problem.
edit: changed the link