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Parenting my brother?

KeyboredKeybored Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm 19, and living with my mother (mid fifties) and my 13 year old brother. My parents have been divorced and separated for about 4 years now, and since then I've had to help raise my brother a bit. That's not strange at all, even un-seperated parents rely on siblings to help around the house and play a role model for younger brothers/sisters, but I think it's really been stressing the relationship between my brother and I.

Our dad lives an hour away, and we see him about once a week for 2-3 hours when he picks my younger brother up from school, has afternoon tea with him and drops him home. Mum's often fairly busy (She manages a successful small business, which luckilly means money isn't ever a major problem) which means I take on board a few things like making lunch for him if we're both home, reminding/offering help with homework, reminding him it's bed time (Mum wakes up very early, and then gets tired early), etc. He always seems to hate me trying to help though, and to be honest, I think I hate it too.

Lately a major issue has been his sleeping arrangements. He has trouble falling asleep unless he's in Mum's room, which obviously musn't be good for either of them, but Mum just goes along with it. Right now he either falls asleep on one side of the double bed, or on a matress beside it.

I wouldn't worry that much about it, since he's going to grow out of it sooner rather than later, but in a few months his school has a mandatory 5-6 week camp out in the bush as part of their curriculum. He's going to have to get used to not only sleeping without mum, but also in a strange place. I've been trying and trying to get him to sleep in his own bed, but in the end he gets upset with me even more-so than usual, and sleeps there anyway "because now he's so distressed".

I'm sure there's plenty of people who must share similar circumstances as mine, do any of you guys have any advice or tips for helping me guide my brother without completely killing our relationship? I'd settle with him and me just getting along, let alone us being close.


tl;dr: My brother resents me having to help raise him in a single parent house. How do I not kill our relationship while still helping mum?

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    You'll really need to get your mom's cooperation on this. The sleeping in her room at that age thing is realllly out of the norm, but if she's saying it's ok there's not much you can do without having it really seem like you're overstepping your bounds. Get her to say that he's not allowed to sleep there.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Screeeeeech. Stop right there!
    Your role is not a parent.
    Your job is to be an older brother not the authoritarian.
    Suggest to him that it's not really appropriate to do such a thing.
    If he takes the advice, great.
    If he doesn't, it is still not your responsibility to make him.
    Big brothers give advice.
    If you start authoritating, (telling him to make you a sandwich is okay, nay a duty of younger brothers) he will look to you as the parent and that can only turn out horrible.

    I have been in your exact situation. It sounds like you have a lot of co-dependent and crisis things happening in your family right now. Trust me from experience, you are not the family savior and you shouldn't be.

    I'm not a therapist but this was a huge issue for me in therapy.
    Just trying to help. :D

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  • KeyboredKeybored Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Mum's often fairly busy (She manages a successful small business, which luckilly means money isn't ever a major problem) which means I take on board a few things like reminding/offering help with homework, making lunch if we're both home, reminding him it's bed time (Mum wakes up very early, and then gets tired early), etc.
    If you start authoritating, (telling him to make you a sandwich is okay, nay a duty of younger brothers) he will look to you as the parent and that can only turn out horrible.
    I guess I should edit and reword that bit, I'd never turn things upside down and ask him to start looking after and making me sandwiches!
    Screeeeeech. Stop right there!
    Your role is not a parent.
    Your job is to be an older brother not the authoritarian.
    Suggest to him that it's not really appropriate to do such a thing.
    If he takes the advice, great.
    If he doesn't, it is still not your responsibility to make him.
    Big brothers give advice.
    But if mum isn't doing anything about this sleeping on her floor thing after I've brought it up with her multiple times, and I stop pressing the issue, then things are only going to get worse. I can understand why it's straining the relationship, but I'm only doing it to help him. Any ideas how I can help him realise this?

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Family therapy is a great forum for that.
    See, you're being the parent to your mom, and that is really unhealthy.
    It's so hard to not be the parent, so I totally understand where you're coming from.
    Ask a therapist or a counselor what you should do.

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  • TaGuelleTaGuelle Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Not to say my situation is the same but there are similarities. (My brother is on this forum so he might have his two cents as well)

    I'm 20 and my youngest brother is 13. My mom and dad work a lot and in a lot of ways me and my middle brother (who is on the forum) have raised him a lot. Me more so being the older. There is a very fine line you walk and I have only crossed that line a few times, the line between suggesting and ordering. Since my younger brother looks up to me so and respects me, he just sort of accepts it and does whatever little thing it is. I find its better just to manipulate. I know that sounds horrible, but what I mean is to convince him its the best way or its what he wants to do. You know, reverse psychology. Its working less and less on my younger brother because he's very mature for his age. I guess he would have to be if he spends so much time with people 8 years older.

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  • Sir Headless VIISir Headless VII Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Maybe you could have him camp out in the bush for 5 - 6 weeks?

    If he hasn't sorted it out for himself by the time he goes out 5 - 6 weeks will do it. He is 13 this is the time in his life when he is doing stupid things and learning from them he will grow out of it and be a better person if he learns it for himself. Also, he has a parent and your not it, it sounds like you have already done all you can anything more will just damage your relationship with the rest of your family.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    13's a little old for needing that kind of security, but its not a terrible thing (and there's an argument to be made that our culture is physically isolating to a really unhealthy degree). Did that start after the separation, or is it ongoing? Either way, I wouldn't go freaking out about it. He'll be bunking close to other people in that camp anyway, so if its just anyone's presence that he finds comforting it won't be a problem, and if its mum specifically he'll have to fall asleep some time, and 6 weeks is long enough to re-train him. They'll be active enough during the day that he'll be pretty bushed at night, camping rather takes it out of you. Can't really lose there. Out of curiosity, is it the Mt. Binga camp he's going to? I have no idea where you are, but I've been to that one on a uni trip and i know a lot of the lutheran schoolkids get sent there. Its a good place.

    As for dealing with why he needs that right now, you're probably not going to be the best person for it simply because you're too close to him - there's things you wouldn't feel comfortable revealing to him or one of your parents, I'll bet? So you can probably imagine he doesn't want to talk about that stuff with family members. If it doesn't resolve itself in a year or so he'd be best off talking to a neutral party like a qualified counsellor who can help him figure out his needs without him being too vulnerable, or even a more distant relative or family friend that he trusts. Like the others already said, its not your job to get into the big stuff. You're already doing enough.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'm gonna throw myself in with the 'you're doing too much' camp.

    Seriously, I think you would be a better influence on his life by just trying to be a friend and an older brother than a parent. You said its making him resent you, so what are you going to achieve by continuing?
    And you won't be able to influence the sleeping arrangement without your mum's cooperation. If he has friends/ is okay at making friends the camp could be very good for him.

    So yeah- suggest, interact, support but don't try and be his dad. It just won't work.

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  • KeyboredKeybored Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Did that start after the separation, or is it ongoing?
    It's been ongoing, only now he's getting away with it without Dad to put his foot down. Considering that, maybe mum's comforted by having him nearby as well. Whoa :S
    Out of curiosity, is it the Mt. Binga camp he's going to?
    Doesn't ring a bell
    If he has friends/ is okay at making friends the camp could be very good for him.
    You've given me an idea, I think I'll suggest to mum she could suggest a sleep over at a friend's sometime before the camp, and see how that goes with him.



    I guess maybe I've lost perspective a bit. I'll mention the camp and his sleeping arrangements to mum one more time and then let her deal with it I suppose. Thanks guys

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  • DakalDakal Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    If all else fails, you could always take pictures of him sleeping in the same bed as your mom and threaten to post them all over his school/show his friends.

    (I know this is the worst thing to do but damn if it isn't awesome)

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  • CryogenCryogen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Keybored wrote: »
    I guess maybe I've lost perspective a bit. I'll mention the camp and his sleeping arrangements to mum one more time and then let her deal with it I suppose. Thanks guys

    You've lost perspective a lot, really.

    It is not your place to step into a fatherly role. Your brother knows this, inside, and thats where the resentment is coming from - you're trying to take command of him where you shouldnt be. Be a good brother - Set a good example, hang out with him, that sort of stuff. My brother and i are the same age gap as you and your brother, and its enough years that sometimes you do slip and think that you need to be the authoritive figure, but not so many years that he will view you as having the experience and age to really know that much better than he does. It just doesnt work. We're now 25 and 31 and get along well. Theres always been stuff he does that i dont approve of, but over the years i've learned its really not my place to do anything about it. That doesnt mean i dont ever mention it, it means i dont order him to stop.

    As for the sleeping thing, i'm sure he'll grow out of it soon. He's entering the age where kids typically distance themselves from their parents... you know, locked in their room all the time :). Also, i'd imagine it would be embarrassing at his age. I wouldnt even worry about it, its unlikely to be hurting him. Many cultures sleep together for a very long time with no ill effects. Besides, the time away at camp might make him feel more able to be independant anyway.

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