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The Mist

SamSam Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
Is kinda bad. I was shocked to find out it was directed by the same guy that did Shawshank and Green Mile.
It had its moments, but it's built on a house of cliche cards. Doesn't really make a point with its rather bold yet bland plotting.

It's basically FundiesLoL with CGI creepy crawlies straight out of a 70's B movie. The kind of creepy crawlies they are negates any kind of fear we're supposed to feel. There's no depth to the premise.


I don't know I'm starting to think I ant my money back. That was almost as badly written as an episode of Heroes.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Harsh. Save your criticism of heroes for... uh... the heroes thread I guess. That's where everyone else does it.

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  • DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Have you ever read the story? That's pretty much how it goes. I haven't seen the movie yet, but the reviews I'm reading sound pretty close to Stephen King's original story.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Film is heavy handed, preachy, and unsure about when it's a serious film and when it's mediocre.
    Can't speak for the book.

    The LoLFundies was pretty bad in particular. Yes, the character was entertaining. No, none of it was convincing, there was no depth to it.

    Now when you do absurd LoLFundies in a comedy, you have more room to work with, but this film seems to want to strive towards addressing human nature, and you can't do that with caricatures.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The lolfundie character is virtually unchanged from the book's lolfundie.

    She's crazy. She's religious. Crazy + religious = Crazy religious.

    I don't know what you wanted from her character...she was put in the story to drive home the fact that it wasn't safe out in the Mist, but it turns out that the supermarket isn't safe due to people.

    When you introduce a character in a book or movie any more, there is a "caricature" or archetype that that that character is going to be patterned after.

    King could have put a gun-crazy guy who controls the market inhabitants with his weapon.

    It's all been done.

    You need to look past those generalities that you press on characters. You tell me a character froma certain movie and I could give you a handful of stories or movies that that archetype has been used in before.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I liked it. The bigger flying things were the only monster I thought didn't look so hot. I know no less then 50 people exactly like that woman, and have no doubt one of them would be a social contamination in that circumstance. I thought the actress that played the fundie was actually very convincing. She obviously studied "fundie arm" in great detail.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    @ Sam:

    I would just like to say that I don't believe that there is no originality left out there, it's just used to alter existing storytelling methods and such.


    So...you had a problem with Mrs. Carmody.

    What kind of depth were you talking about wanting? The movie tells you who she is and why she is doing what she is doing.

    Weather she is a religious zealot (as seen here), she is just deeply religious and prays the entire movie, or believes that God will protect her and the people she wanders into the mist with (only to be slaughtered and have the people whom she "converted" into believing her die as well) you would say the same thing, "Oh man, I am tired of these played out characters!"

    Accept the characters as they are. Sure they have been done before, but what hasn't?

    Also, she is a great actress and makes the part entirely believable. Religion helps some people, but other are driven to madness because of it. (See: Suicide bombers)


    On the other side, you have a problem with the movie being "preachy".

    I don't know what you are trying to say, other than King's "We will cause our own demise" plot devices that he uses in a lot of his stories.

    Mist plot details (spoilers):
    I assume you are talking about "The Arrowhead Project" and the allusions to the government screwing things up with our society due to global warming, tapping into places we shouldn't go, and causing civilizations downfall?

    This is a commonplace theme in many horror stories and it isn't preachy in the least. =/ If King didn't attack the military, he would have to attack something else, or create some bogus idea for how the Mist came to be.


    Maybe you are talking about Mrs Carmody and her religious zealotness?


    King isn't attacking religion by way of his fanatical character, he is showing how panic and hysteria can cause rifts in any type of society, generally leading to bad outcomes. A good amount of the market people are swayed by Mrs. Carmody's faith and how hard she attests to its truth. People look for leaders during tough times, so it is only normal for people to cling to someone who tells them that they can save them, without a shadow of a doubt. Mob mentality has been around since the dawn of time and King justs uses it to show that in the end, man is just as monsterous as the beasts in the Mist.

    I don't see how King and Darabont explore panic, paranoia, and mob mentality can come off a preachy....he's just showing how things could easily result.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I liked it. The bigger flying things were the only monster I thought didn't look so hot. I know no less then 50 people exactly like that woman, and have no doubt one of them would be a social contamination in that circumstance. I thought the actress that played the fundie was actually very convincing. She obviously studied "fundie arm" in great detail.
    Marcia Gay Harden bought some fundie literature and studied them extensively as well as watching news clips and other documentaries about the subject. She was very much into the character and wanted to make sure she was awesome.

    Edit: I would also like to point out that the OP sucks and should be redone, not because of the negativity, but because it lacks cast, crew, trailer links, interview links, a one sheet, and a plot synopsis.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I was being serious. I liked it. You kids today and your bitchin' bout cgi.

    In my day our movie monsters wore rubber suits to walk to school, uphill, both ways (in the snow)

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I was being serious. I liked it. You kids today and your bitchin' bout cgi.

    In my day our movie monsters wore rubber suits to walk to school, uphill, both ways (in the snow)
    No, no. You posted that while I was typing out my rant. I figured that no one had posted for 45 minutes and I didn't want a quote to clutter up the top of my post, making it even larger.

    I edited in an @Sam to help with confusion.

    I responded to you under that one. :P

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    Was the movie pretty faithful to the novella? Because I'm sort of wondering how they turned 100 pages of people trapped in a store into a 2-hour film, without adding a bunch of needless subplots or extending the ending of the movie out (which would, I think, be a horrible idea).

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Was the movie pretty faithful to the novella? Because I'm sort of wondering how they turned 100 pages of people trapped in a store into a 2-hour film, without adding a bunch of needless subplots or extending the ending of the movie out (which would, I think, be a horrible idea).
    Well, they changed the ending (which did extend it longer than the book's)(which Stephen King loved and gave his full blessing) , they removed the "cheating on his wife" aspect of David and Amanda, added extended dialogue between the characters in the market, and made the beginning a little longer than in the book.

    It worked out well.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Well, they changed the ending (which did extend it longer than the book's)(which Stephen King loved and gave his full blessing) ,

    I'd feel better about this if King's endings didn't tend to drag on and sort of suck. :)

    I do want to see it though.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Someone spoiler the new ending. I liked the short-story, but can't be bothered to go see the new movie.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Well, they changed the ending (which did extend it longer than the book's)(which Stephen King loved and gave his full blessing) ,

    I'd feel better about this if King's endings didn't tend to drag on and sort of suck. :)

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  • DividerDivider Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Saw it last night but wasn't too impressed. You can pretty much think of the next scenario every 15 minutes during the film.
    Everything I expected to see was shown to me in full detail. Never read the book so I have no opinions to the "real" subject matter but all I know is after seeing this movie, when King has an idea he just runs with it no matter if it can end or not.

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  • ShadeShade Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Sam wrote: »
    Is kinda bad. I was shocked to find out it was directed by the same guy that did Shawshank and Green Mile.
    It had its moments, but it's built on a house of cliche cards. Doesn't really make a point with its rather bold yet bland plotting.

    It's basically FundiesLoL with CGI creepy crawlies straight out of a 70's B movie. The kind of creepy crawlies they are negates any kind of fear we're supposed to feel. There's no depth to the premise.


    I don't know I'm starting to think I ant my money back. That was almost as badly written as an episode of Heroes.

    Worst OP ever. And you didn't seem to pay attention to the movie at all. There is a most definite point about the nature of humanity, and its hard to call it cliched when its by the guy who did it in the first place.
    Stephen fucking King.

    Dude, it sucked it was just like this book I read ten years ago! Not creative at all!

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  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I thought it was a decent flick to go out and watch with friends. Having read about the novella prior to seeing it, I thought the interpretation was decent and kept the most important elements.

    Also I didn't go in expecting some uber-serious horror/psychological film. I knew it was going to be campy b-movie stuff with obligatory themes/morals. Thus my low expectations made it more enjoyable than I thought it would be. I thought the ironic ending was different from the usual stuff too.

    Not as epic/serious as the guy's previous work, but considering what's been out in theaters recently you could do worse.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Shade wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    Is kinda bad. I was shocked to find out it was directed by the same guy that did Shawshank and Green Mile.
    It had its moments, but it's built on a house of cliche cards. Doesn't really make a point with its rather bold yet bland plotting.

    It's basically FundiesLoL with CGI creepy crawlies straight out of a 70's B movie. The kind of creepy crawlies they are negates any kind of fear we're supposed to feel. There's no depth to the premise.


    I don't know I'm starting to think I ant my money back. That was almost as badly written as an episode of Heroes.

    Worst OP ever. And you didn't seem to pay attention to the movie at all. There is a most definite point about the nature of humanity, and its hard to call it cliched when its by the guy who did it in the first place.
    Stephen fucking King.

    Dude, it sucked it was just like this book I read ten years ago! Not creative at all!
    So, at post 19, I put forth a better op.
    Shade wrote: »
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    http://www.themist-movie.com/

    The Mist

    Synopsis

    Following a violent thunderstorm, artist David Drayton and a small town community come under vicious attack from creatures prowling in a thick and unnatural mist. Local rumors point to an experiment called “The Arrowhead Project” conducted at a nearby top-secret military base, but questions as to the origins of the deadly vapor are secondary to the group’s overall chances for survival. Retreating to a local
    supermarket, Drayton and the survivors must face-off against each other before taking a united stand against an enemy they cannot even see.

    Cast

    * Thomas Jane as David Drayton
    * Marcia Gay Harden as Mrs. Carmody
    * Laurie Holden as Amanda Dunfries
    * Andre Braugher as Brent Norton
    * Toby Jones as Ollie Weeks
    * William Sadler as Jim Grondin
    * Jeffrey DeMunn as Jeff Miller
    * Frances Sternhagen as Irene
    * Alexa Davalos as Sally
    * Nathan Gamble as Billy
    * Samuel Witwer as Jessup
    * Amin Joseph as MP
    * Chris Owen as Norm

    Budget $17 million
    Running time 125 min

    Interesting Links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mist_(film)
    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mist/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0884328/

    My own take:
    I saw this movie last night and thought it was pretty good, but with a few flaws. The primary plot doesn't have to do with the mist outside or the monsters, but the effect of fear on people. Some people seemed to miss the point entirely and just gone "LOLFundies" but there is only one fundamentalist Mrs. Carmody. She is the catalyst the shows what happens to people when something completely new and terrifying comes.

    And while some people can adapt to new circumstances, most will clutch desperately to any hope that anyone might offer. They want an easy out, and it doesn't matter if there is one or not they will do anything to try to convince themselves that there is, even murder. People lose all sense of rational, and will become selfish.

    The monsters are well done though even at the times they are using animatronics it still looks vaguely like cgi, due to the overlay they use to make them look like the same monsters outside the store as inside. And some monsters that you only catch a glimpse of through the mist are very creative.

    The acting was pretty good. I've know several people just like Mrs. Carmody and to see that on screen was cool even though you'll want to reach through the screen and punch her. Every one plays there parts well and the character David Drayton does an excellent job of being the slightly more rational normal guy.

    and for those that caught it and the alusion that its for an upcoming movie: Gunslinger painting FTW!

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    So much better then dreamcatcher

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Dreamcatcher was the one with the ass-bursting aliens, right? 'Cause it's damn hard to be worse than that.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    @ Sam:

    I would just like to say that I don't believe that there is no originality left out there, it's just used to alter existing storytelling methods and such.


    So...you had a problem with Mrs. Carmody.

    What kind of depth were you talking about wanting? The movie tells you who she is and why she is doing what she is doing.

    Weather she is a religious zealot (as seen here), she is just deeply religious and prays the entire movie, or believes that God will protect her and the people she wanders into the mist with (only to be slaughtered and have the people whom she "converted" into believing her die as well) you would say the same thing, "Oh man, I am tired of these played out characters!"

    Accept the characters as they are. Sure they have been done before, but what hasn't?

    Also, she is a great actress and makes the part entirely believable. Religion helps some people, but other are driven to madness because of it. (See: Suicide bombers)


    On the other side, you have a problem with the movie being "preachy".

    I don't know what you are trying to say, other than King's "We will cause our own demise" plot devices that he uses in a lot of his stories.

    Mist plot details (spoilers):
    I assume you are talking about "The Arrowhead Project" and the allusions to the government screwing things up with our society due to global warming, tapping into places we shouldn't go, and causing civilizations downfall?

    This is a commonplace theme in many horror stories and it isn't preachy in the least. =/ If King didn't attack the military, he would have to attack something else, or create some bogus idea for how the Mist came to be.


    Maybe you are talking about Mrs Carmody and her religious zealotness?


    King isn't attacking religion by way of his fanatical character, he is showing how panic and hysteria can cause rifts in any type of society, generally leading to bad outcomes. A good amount of the market people are swayed by Mrs. Carmody's faith and how hard she attests to its truth. People look for leaders during tough times, so it is only normal for people to cling to someone who tells them that they can save them, without a shadow of a doubt. Mob mentality has been around since the dawn of time and King justs uses it to show that in the end, man is just as monsterous as the beasts in the Mist.

    I don't see how King and Darabont explore panic, paranoia, and mob mentality can come off a preachy....he's just showing how things could easily result.

    I just find it disrespectful of people in general that all those characters jumped ship/got into the whole fundie grind that fast. The whole thing with them (BTW Marcia Gay Harden was great in the part, she was the one thing that got people in the theater clapping) seems to be trying to illustrate how fundamentalism works, but you know what, I would bet that anyone in that crowd joining her would have to know something about Jebus to begin with. Also, many evangelical communities teach their followers to spread their faith through their moral/ethical/interersonal decisions more than they tell them to round up the bullhorns and clinic bombers.

    It just lacked nuance. Then there were the monsters, who weren't scary because they've been in Jurassic Park, Alien, The Phantom,I could go on, etc.

    And it's not just that these monsters bear such a similarity to those in other movies- it's that they're not used to much different effect.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    @ Sam:

    I would just like to say that I don't believe that there is no originality left out there, it's just used to alter existing storytelling methods and such.


    So...you had a problem with Mrs. Carmody.

    What kind of depth were you talking about wanting? The movie tells you who she is and why she is doing what she is doing.

    Weather she is a religious zealot (as seen here), she is just deeply religious and prays the entire movie, or believes that God will protect her and the people she wanders into the mist with (only to be slaughtered and have the people whom she "converted" into believing her die as well) you would say the same thing, "Oh man, I am tired of these played out characters!"

    Accept the characters as they are. Sure they have been done before, but what hasn't?

    Also, she is a great actress and makes the part entirely believable. Religion helps some people, but other are driven to madness because of it. (See: Suicide bombers)


    On the other side, you have a problem with the movie being "preachy".

    I don't know what you are trying to say, other than King's "We will cause our own demise" plot devices that he uses in a lot of his stories.

    Mist plot details (spoilers):
    I assume you are talking about "The Arrowhead Project" and the allusions to the government screwing things up with our society due to global warming, tapping into places we shouldn't go, and causing civilizations downfall?

    This is a commonplace theme in many horror stories and it isn't preachy in the least. =/ If King didn't attack the military, he would have to attack something else, or create some bogus idea for how the Mist came to be.


    Maybe you are talking about Mrs Carmody and her religious zealotness?


    King isn't attacking religion by way of his fanatical character, he is showing how panic and hysteria can cause rifts in any type of society, generally leading to bad outcomes. A good amount of the market people are swayed by Mrs. Carmody's faith and how hard she attests to its truth. People look for leaders during tough times, so it is only normal for people to cling to someone who tells them that they can save them, without a shadow of a doubt. Mob mentality has been around since the dawn of time and King justs uses it to show that in the end, man is just as monsterous as the beasts in the Mist.

    I don't see how King and Darabont explore panic, paranoia, and mob mentality can come off a preachy....he's just showing how things could easily result.

    I just find it disrespectful of people in general that all those characters jumped ship/got into the whole fundie grind that fast. The whole thing with them (BTW Marcia Gay Harden was great in the part, she was the one thing that got people in the theater clapping) seems to be trying to illustrate how fundamentalism works, but you know what, I would bet that anyone in that crowd joining her would have to know something about Jebus to begin with. Also, many evangelical communities teach their followers to spread their faith through their moral/ethical/interersonal decisions more than they tell them to round up the bullhorns and clinic bombers.

    It just lacked nuance. Then there were the monsters, who weren't scary because they've been in Jurassic Park, Alien, The Phantom,I could go on, etc.

    And it's not just that these monsters bear such a similarity to those in other movies- it's that they're not used to much different effect.

    Sam on
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