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Which next-gen console should I buy?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Spoit wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    Awright, here's another thing to think about. Look at the number of 360's sold in Japan. It was only 3000 or something like that, wasn't it? You think that JRPG developers are going to alienate their target demographic by not releasing their games on a system they actually have? Sure, Blue Dragon is a 360 exclusive right now. But if it wants to sell in Japan, it'll have to move over to the 360. The same is not true of JRPG's on the PS3. They'll sell just fine without ever even LOOKING at the 360.

    Yes, Blue Dragon, a Microsoft published game, is only an exclusive for the moment.


    Hmmm... ok then. I didn't know it was published by microsoft. For some reason I wanted to think Level-5. Guess I must be crazy.

    But my point still stands for pretty much every other JRPG on the 360.

    Level 5? We won't be seeing any of their games on the 360 anytime soon. Level 5 were pretty pissed when Microsoft cancelled True Fantasy Online and while part of it was their own fault, the way Microsoft went about it was pretty dick-ish (reportedly, they walked into Level 5, demanded all the work they'd done on the game and told them it was cancelled).

    lowlylowlycook: How many copies of FFXIII do I figure Square Enix need to sell to break even? Probably around a million, which it'll do in Japan within a week or two.

    I don't know about that, even with the 100M install base, ff12 only (;-)) sold 1.7M in the first week in japan, and besides, Dragon Quest was always a lot more popular in japan

    While it's possible that the popularity of the FF series may have diminished, I'd put FFXII's "disappointing" Japanese sales mostly down to how different FFXII was. Comparitively, FFX sold 1.9 million in its first week and that was only a year into the PS2's life (when the PS2 had only sold 5 million units in Japan).

    Oh and what does Dragon Quest have to do with this? I have no doubts that DQIX will sell a lot more than FFXIII, it's on a system with a much, much larger install base, though I doubt it's going to do DQVII or FFVII numbers.

    I think the average PS3 or 360 game needs to take in 1M to break even. MSG4 devs say if it doesn't take in 1M on the first day they are in trouble. So I'd say that FFXIII would be closer to MGS4 than the average PS3 game but with a higher chance of makeing that number than MGS4.

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm also wondering why you put in Cross-Platform games. Like I've said, they don't count for either system.

    EDIT: Ok, someone else made a list up there too. But the thing is, it STILL doesn't have all the exclusive games that are coming out for either system. People need to do it right. My list wasn't comprehensive either, but at least I didn't pretend that it was.

    My list was everything with an announced US date, which is why I said US list. Somehow Folklore was missing, though. I really want to play that game, too.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    EA is only the publisher for Rock Band, they had zero to do with development.

    skate is rad though

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    and to follow up another point from earlier in the thread

    Final Fantasy is more popular in the west than in Japan, it's still a big deal there but DQ reigns supreme. And the new DQ is on the DS

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    That said, with Atlus publishing JRPGs for the 360 now, I wouldn't be surprised if Disgaea started showing up on the system. Imagine, Disgaea as an XBLA game! And maybe Disgaea 3 also ported to the 360! w00t!
    We should all buy 10 copies of Operation Darkness and Spectral Force 3 to make this happen!
    Okay, maybe not ...

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    While it's possible that the popularity of the FF series may have diminished, I'd put FFXII's "disappointing" Japanese sales mostly down to how different FFXII was.
    But isn't FFXIII supposed to be just as much a deviation from the FF norm as XII was?

    I mean, I've heard things along that line from previews, and I certainly hope so myself, as one of the reasons I really liked XII was it got away from all the crap FF has been using for far to long just because it was tradition.

    Not really. From what I've heard, it's pretty similar to FFX-2's battle system (which is good news, because FFX-2's battle system is quite easily the best battle system the series has had).

    Kitase's FF games (FFVII, FFVIII, FFX and upcoming, FFXIII) generally just do a lot better than the other ones for some reason.

    JCRooks: Except Atlus doesn't publish Disgaea, NIS does. That said, NIS is a licensed 360 developer too, though that's no guarantee they'll even release a single game for it. Besides, with the performance of all the JRPG's on the 360, I'm not sure there's the market there yet.

    lowlylowlycook: MGS2 outsold FFX on the PS2, so it's entirely possible that MGS4 outsells FFXIII. I have no doubt they'll both sell 1 million units pretty easily though.

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  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    While it's possible that the popularity of the FF series may have diminished, I'd put FFXII's "disappointing" Japanese sales mostly down to how different FFXII was.
    But isn't FFXIII supposed to be just as much a deviation from the FF norm as XII was?

    I mean, I've heard things along that line from previews, and I certainly hope so myself, as one of the reasons I really liked XII was it got away from all the crap FF has been using for far to long just because it was tradition.

    Not really. From what I've heard, it's pretty similar to FFX-2's battle system (which is good news, because FFX-2's battle system is quite easily the best battle system the series has had).
    Hmm. I did enjoy FFX-2, so that's not bad.
    Kitase's FF games (FFVII, FFVIII, FFX and upcoming, FFXIII) generally just do a lot better than the other ones for some reason.

    Let's see, Liked VII, seem to be in the minority that liked VIII, FFX was meh. 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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  • Lord ShplaneLord Shplane Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    JCRooks wrote: »
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    There's a KH coming out for the PSP, and another for the DS.

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    JCRooks wrote: »
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    There's a KH coming out for the PSP, and another for the DS.

    I don't really count the spinoffs/side-games. A true sequel hasn't been announced yet, as far as I know.

    It probably won't be out for another few years at this rate (2009/2010!?). I would not be surprised at all, though, if it ends up becoming a Wii exclusive.

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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    JCRooks wrote: »
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    That said, with Atlus publishing JRPGs for the 360 now, I wouldn't be surprised if Disgaea started showing up on the system. Imagine, Disgaea as an XBLA game! And maybe Disgaea 3 also ported to the 360! w00t!
    We should all buy 10 copies of Operation Darkness and Spectral Force 3 to make this happen!
    Okay, maybe not ...


    As stated in the "Atlus is with the 360 now" thread earlier last month, Atlus has nothing to do with Disgaea 3. And I'm not a huge fan of KH... blapshemy I know but it never clicked with me. But I am a Disgaea WHORE. If I dont get to play that game I will kill somebody.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Obligatory http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3b8G8delDlk post.

    NSFW, sorry shoulda posted that.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

    No idea who/what that is, so no it's not. Probably the best video ever made though.

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  • Lord ShplaneLord Shplane Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    JCRooks wrote: »
    JCRooks wrote: »
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    There's a KH coming out for the PSP, and another for the DS.

    I don't really count the spinoffs/side-games. A true sequel hasn't been announced yet, as far as I know.

    It probably won't be out for another few years at this rate (2009/2010!?). I would not be surprised at all, though, if it ends up becoming a Wii exclusive.

    If it's a Wii exclusive I'm killing myself. End of story. But really, I doubt it will be. I expect the PS3 to be back in the running by 2009/2010. Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, White Knight Chronicles (I'm pretty sure WKC is next year, could be wrong), and lots of other shiny fancy games that I wanted but can't remember at the moment and am too lazy to look it up. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 was outdoing the 360 this time next year. I won't straight up say "IT'S GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN", but I wouldn't be surprised.

    Also, remember that video at the end of KH2? The one that you had to unlock by doing everything in the game? That was for the KH game on the PSP.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

    No idea who/what that is, so no it's not. Probably the best video ever made though.

    Seems like a whiny yank moaning about something I don't give a toss about. If I wanted to hear that I'd just get on Halo 3 and say something ignorant about animé.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

    No idea who/what that is, so no it's not. Probably the best video ever made though.

    Ironically, guess which of those games I played through and enjoyed almost all of, and which game caused me to give up out of bored frustration 20 minutes into it?

    Hint:
    I didn't give up on the one with the tutorial.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    While it's really too early to say for certain what will happen in 2-3 years, unless the PS3 starts to gain ground (IE actually, you know, sell better than the competition) sometime about half a year ago, there's no possible way for it to overtake the 360, much less the wii. With each passing day, it falls further behind, and beyond it getting multiple exclusives the magnitude of a Halo or Pokemon, there's no way for it to get a sales hike that Microsoft couldn't take similar actions to match.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

    No idea who/what that is, so no it's not. Probably the best video ever made though.

    Seems like a whiny yank moaning about something I don't give a toss about. If I wanted to hear that I'd just get on Halo 3 and say something ignorant about animé.

    C'mon... if you didn't laugh at the RE4 part, you have no soul.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    jothki wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    ben0207 wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »

    That better not be rickroll

    No idea who/what that is, so no it's not. Probably the best video ever made though.

    Ironically, guess which of those games I played through and enjoyed almost all of, and which game caused me to give up out of bored frustration 20 minutes into it?

    Hint:
    I didn't give up on the one with the tutorial.

    I didn't think either game had a tutorial so I'm pretty much confused by this. :)

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    JCRooks wrote: »
    JCRooks wrote: »
    As long as I get Final Fantasy and Disgaea the 360 can have whatever the fuck it wants.

    Kingdom Hearts! Don't forget the KH! (Although it wouldn't surprise me at all if Squeenix put KH3 on the DS, just like they did with DQIV).

    There's a KH coming out for the PSP, and another for the DS.

    I don't really count the spinoffs/side-games. A true sequel hasn't been announced yet, as far as I know.

    It probably won't be out for another few years at this rate (2009/2010!?). I would not be surprised at all, though, if it ends up becoming a Wii exclusive.

    If it's a Wii exclusive I'm killing myself. End of story. But really, I doubt it will be. I expect the PS3 to be back in the running by 2009/2010. Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, White Knight Chronicles (I'm pretty sure WKC is next year, could be wrong), and lots of other shiny fancy games that I wanted but can't remember at the moment and am too lazy to look it up. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 was outdoing the 360 this time next year. I won't straight up say "IT'S GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN", but I wouldn't be surprised.

    Also, remember that video at the end of KH2? The one that you had to unlock by doing everything in the game? That was for the KH game on the PSP.

    Hmm, we've gone from eating cocks to suicide. Seems like quite a leap in severity ... :P

    Even if the PS3 were outselling the 360 at this point next year, it would have to be doing so at a huge rate, in order to offset the millions of the consoles that the 360 is leading by. You could say that the 360 and even the Wii are vastly outselling the PS2 sales now, but that doesn't mean jack because the PS2 already has an enormous install base.

    Anyway, seems like we should be moving all of this system comparison talk over to the official video games numbers thread.

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