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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    zeeny wrote: »
    I'm trying to watch B5 because I can download episodes off xbox live. I loved Farscape (Buffy, Angel not scifi) and I love BSG. I cannot stand B5. I am trying really hard to but I need to force myself through each episode. I'm on 5th episode of season 1 at this point. I find it absolutely horrible. I can stomach a lot of bad TV but b5, at least to the point I'm at, is shockingly bad. Tell me it gets better.

    B5 is an absolute amazing storyline with, in my opinion, some bad acting here and there and unfortunately looking at it today you'd think the production values are incredibly low. There are two kind of episodes: Monster of the week, and overall storyline. I can't stomach MANY of the former and I absolutely love most of the latter. If you insist your TV to be polished, you won't like it. If you're ready to stomach what i said above for some very, very good story, you should stick with it. Last time I watched it I had a kind of fairy-tale approach to it and it let me get through a lot of the cheesy lines and bad acting really well. I'd say you should stick with it.

    Also, whoever said Eureka...seriously. That's beyond worst.

    Finally, I've recently picked up Millennium. I have never watched it before and I'm just a few episodes in but that's looking surprisingly good so far, even if not in the sci-fi category.

    I can deal with the lack of polish but the bad acting and lousy dialogue are hard to stomach. Still if there is a great story I can forgive almost anything. So far I haven't seen much of a story but it is early times. The thing that bugs me at this point is that they haven't created a character I really give a damn about. The only interesting possibility to this point (episode 5) is the super advanced alien. The captain is incredibly cheesy and annoying. I can stand the security officer. Everyone else bugs me.

    It gets much, much better. There are "one-shot" episodes scattered throughout the series, but the monster-of-the-week thing disappears pretty much entirely by the end of the first season. The acting improves a lot too, and the captain especially gets much better in the second season. It may not seem like it yet, but the show will become as much character driven as it is by the plot.
    Damnit Richy, I found a clever way to refer to what happens without giving it away and you blow it!

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    That Aeon Flux cartoon wasn't bad but it's been years since I've watched it. I'm a sucker for dystopian futures.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Smasher wrote: »
    It gets much, much better. There are "one-shot" episodes scattered throughout the series, but the monster-of-the-week thing disappears pretty much entirely by the end of the first season. The acting improves a lot too, and the captain especially gets much better in the second season. It may not seem like it yet, but the show will become as much character driven as it is by the plot.
    Damnit Richy, I found a clever way to refer to what happens without giving it away and you blow it!
    Saying that Sinclair goes away by the end of the first season really doesn't give anything away. At least, nothing that can't be learned by reading the show's main cast credits.

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  • ZalbinionZalbinion Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Farscape-Single best villain of any TV show I've seen, and better than most movie villains.

    Still needs more lime.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah, B5 is one of the shows where you just have to sit through the first season, just hoping for G'kar and Londo scenes because everything else is kinda bad. But oh man does it get good.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Zalbinion wrote: »
    Farscape-Single best villain of any TV show I've seen, and better than most movie villains.

    Still needs more lime.

    Hello, John!

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  • EddieDeanEddieDean Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Space-based SciFi:

    BSG - You know it's awesome
    Firefly - Everyone says it's awesome, and they're all right
    Stargate - Not seen it myself but I've heard great things and am gonna watch the entire thing very soon


    Non-Space-based SciFi:

    Doctor Who - The new stuff's great, especially since it started having a lot of internet coherency. Has its lows, and the science is pretty bollocks, but generally very very entertaining. Can't vouch for the older series, I hear they're variable, but have some very good stuff in.
    Buffy and Angel - Best watched together, and in chronological order (they crossover a fair bit). They're also both better when you watch them both consistently rather than individual episodes. Buffy is utterly wonderful throughout, full of meaning and full of great characters, and some of the episodes are absolutely incredible. Angel starts off slow and doesn't really find its feet till season 3, at which point it comes into its own and becomes awesome. Very awesome. Funny, witty, and more mature than Buffy, though with many of the same themes.

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  • Fleck0Fleck0 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    emnmnme wrote: »
    That Aeon Flux cartoon wasn't bad but it's been years since I've watched it. I'm a sucker for dystopian futures.

    I bought the DVD not too long ago, the animation is always brilliant and the original 'Liquid Television' shorts are really cool.

    Don't go looking for a sensical, cohesive story though, you won't find one

    :^: overall though

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  • The Nameless OneThe Nameless One Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Farscape is the greatest sci-fi series of all time. Dissing it for the puppets is like dissing Labyrinth for the same reason, the whole is far greater than the sum of its parts.

    If Firefly hadn't died it probably would've taken the lead but nothing comes close to the story of John Crichton and the crew of Moya for me.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I do think Farscape has the best combination of good acting, story, and characters. Bab5's story is the best, but a lot of the acting is pretty bad. BSG has a shot at taking the crown if it can get out of the second half of season 3 funk it was in.

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  • iguanacusiguanacus Desert PlanetRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Eureka wouldn't be so bad if somebody told the writers that you didn't have to introduce and solve the problem in the same episode, at least not so transparently. The interaction between characters is good, and the cast all seem to be able to play off each other, but my god. Somebody needs to get those guys a new book on writing for TV, cause I think they've gotten all they can out of Writing for TV 101.

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  • hesthefastesthesthefastest Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Season 3 of BSG had Exodus part 2, thus, all in all, the season was great.

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Farscape is the greatest sci-fi series of all time. Dissing it for the puppets is like dissing Labyrinth for the same reason, the whole is far greater than the sum of its parts.

    If Firefly hadn't died it probably would've taken the lead but nothing comes close to the story of John Crichton and the crew of Moya for me.

    I have to agree although I'm behind the curve on BSG since I ditched cable and watch all my stuff on DVD or xbox live these days. Sadly Season 1 of Farscape is impossible to find and not available on Netflix. I really would like to watch though the whole series again.

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  • yakulyakul Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Farscape is the greatest sci-fi series of all time. Dissing it for the puppets is like dissing Labyrinth for the same reason, the whole is far greater than the sum of its parts.

    If Firefly hadn't died it probably would've taken the lead but nothing comes close to the story of John Crichton and the crew of Moya for me.

    I have to agree although I'm behind the curve on BSG since I ditched cable and watch all my stuff on DVD or xbox live these days. Sadly Season 1 of Farscape is impossible to find and not available on Netflix. I really would like to watch though the whole series again.

    I thought Farscape just came out with new cheaper DVDs last year "Starburst" editions or something.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited December 2007
    Zalbinion wrote: »
    Farscape-Single best villain of any TV show I've seen, and better than most movie villains.

    Still needs more lime.

    Harvey. <3<3<3<3

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  • OwlbearthingOwlbearthing regular
    edited December 2007
    I can't believe Red Dwarf has only been mentioned once, in passing.

    Red Dwarf is probably one of my favorite TV series of all time. In essence it is a sit-com in space about what may well be the last living human. At the same time it often manages to address some very important Hard SF topics. Because it's a comedy it can have episodes about completely ridiculous things followed by episodes that wouldn't be out of place in a high-quality hard SF anthology, only with jokes in.

    It is Very British and doesn't take itself seriously most of the time, but you still care about the characters. A lot of people like it for the comedy, but I've found that it can simultaneously have a very Outer Limits "philosophical/social issue of the week" vibe to it.

    There is one episode that so directly parallels a Star Trek: TNG episode produced years later that I cannot imagine that the TNG Writers did not see it. Both episodes are among my favorites in their respective series. (Premise in Spoiler below)
    It's the episode where the crew awakens to discover that a portion of time has been lost - they have injuries, things have changed as if it has been several days, and they are in a different area of space than they should be. Everything tells them that they don't want to recover the data involved, but they can't help it. To me the ending of the Red Dwarf one was infinitely more poignant and satisfying than the TNG one.

    I also like that it takes place in pretty much the least-idealized or melodramatic SF world I've ever encountered. The main characters aren't daring captains, great explorers, or hard bitten soldiers. They are minimum wage schlubs in a world where a lot of people did very boring jobs with tech that works just about as consistently as our current tech works.

    Mild spoilers about the setting and ongoing plot:
    Red Dwarf is very unique in that there are no long-continuing villains and no aliens. Because of that it gets down to the nitty gritty about human despair, and boredom, and loneliness. Not despair about being overcome by military force, or letting the last light of freedom die, but just garden variety 'is there no end to this tedium, what am I really accomplishing?' despair. The comedy lightens this up considerably, and I think it needs to be there - you couldn't make this series without the jokes, because it would just be horribly depressing.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah Red Dwarf was pretty awesome.

    I liked Blakes 7. Anyone else?

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2007
    Farscape became a fucking soap opera.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Red Dwarf spoiler
    There were aliens in Red Dwarf. They just weren't that important to the story line. And the last season brought back the ship's crew.

    Then Grant couldn't keep his focus and fucked up creating one last season for the chance at a movie.

    Quid on
  • OwlbearthingOwlbearthing regular
    edited December 2007
    To Quid - Response to your spoiler
    Unless I'm wrong (it's been a while since I've seen some of the episodes) everything seemingly 'alien' they faced was the descendant of some gen-engineered earth experiment, some earth species, or sentient technology originating from something that came from earth. So there were... dangerous, nonhuman monsters and sentient non-human beings, but all the 'life' that sourced them was from earth or man-made.

    If there's a counterexample, I'm totally open to being proved wrong.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    To Quid - Response to your spoiler
    Unless I'm wrong (it's been a while since I've seen some of the episodes) everything seemingly 'alien' they faced was the descendant of some gen-engineered earth experiment, some earth species, or sentient technology originating from something that came from earth. So there were... dangerous, nonhuman monsters and sentient non-human beings, but all the 'life' that sourced them was from earth or man-made.

    If there's a counterexample, I'm totally open to being proved wrong.
    Yeah, pretty sure they're all just GELFs.

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  • SvidrigailovSvidrigailov Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Babylon 5 is my favorite television show of all time. It's incredibly cheesy, and Season 1 in particular is so godawful the first time around that I haven't had much luck getting anyone else interested in it. Seasons 2 through 4, though (and even 5, to an extent), are incredible. The final episode still brings me to tears.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2007
    Babylon 5 had a great plot but the acting and most of the special effects were so bad.

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  • SvidrigailovSvidrigailov Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah. But man, Severed Dreams...

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    Neither the whole of truth nor the whole of good is revealed to any single observer, although each observer gains a partial superiority of insight from the peculiar position in which he stands. It is enough to ask of each of us that he should be faithful to his own opportunities and make the most of his own blessings, without presuming to regulate the rest of the vast field.
  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I liked Journeyman better 20 years ago when it was called Quantum Leap. (ba-dum-bum)

    I've always been a big fan of cheesy sci-fi. I agree that once you get past the first seasons of Star Trek:TNG and Babylon 5, they really, really get better. Stargate I can watch, but it's very much a show of empty calories for me. Especially since it's what killed Farscape. I'm very much into the new Doctor Who- I started with Eccleston and can't get enough. I've even checked out some of the older, pivital Who episodes. Not the best, but still- I love background.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    My mistake. I saw the start of an episode with Kinitawi (or whatever they're called) in it and thought they were aliens. Wiki tells me they're GELFS.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2007
    Tach wrote: »
    I liked Journeyman better 20 years ago when it was called Quantum Leap. (ba-dum-bum)

    See, that's exactly why I love it. I absolutely adored Quantum Leap when I was a kid, and Journeyman kind of captures that same feeling. Though it is sadly lacking in the humor that QL had.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tach wrote: »
    I liked Journeyman better 20 years ago when it was called Quantum Leap. (ba-dum-bum)

    See, that's exactly why I love it. I absolutely adored Quantum Leap when I was a kid, and Journeyman kind of captures that same feeling. Though it is sadly lacking in the humor that QL had.
    I'm a Quantum Leap fan too... and I'm intrigued by this Journeyman...

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited December 2007
    I can never watch all of TNG since the first damn episode starts with Q being... Q. D:

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    Tach wrote: »
    I liked Journeyman better 20 years ago when it was called Quantum Leap. (ba-dum-bum)

    See, that's exactly why I love it. I absolutely adored Quantum Leap when I was a kid, and Journeyman kind of captures that same feeling. Though it is sadly lacking in the humor that QL had.
    I'm a Quantum Leap fan too... and I'm intrigued by this Journeyman...

    But does this new guy look good in pantyhose? And can he sing?

    Scott Bacula FTW.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Original BSG is pretty good except for the fucking annoying kid and every episode after they find earth.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    I can never watch all of TNG since the first damn episode starts with Q being... Q. D:
    TNG Q is awesome. I've dreamed of a TNG movie with Q as the villain. That would have been glorious.

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  • LibrarianThorneLibrarianThorne Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I actually mostly loathe BSG. both old and new. I know the new one is a good show, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

    Firefly, as has been mentioned again and again, is a good show. I don't know if I'd necessarily call it sci-fi, however. It's really a western with some spaceships and the occasional laser gun, meaning that the show has a really uniqe and interesting dynamic.

    Star Trek's where it's at for me, though. Honestly, I read a lot of sci-fi and the amount of sci-fi where humanity fucks up/are assholes is staggering. Fuck, I play Warhammer 40,000 and read the novels and there's flat out no more depressing sci-fi setting. But with Trek, specifically The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, there's something really unique. I can't recommend either series enough, though keep in mind they are seven seasons of hour long episodes. Also, the first couple seasons of both shows are very inconsistent. One episode will be goddamned amazing and the next will make you want to punch a baby seal. Starting with season 3 and on, for both TNG and DS9 are not only the best sci-fi shows out there, they're two of the best television shows period.

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  • AtaxrxesAtaxrxes Hellnation Cursed EarthRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This thread is severely lacking in:
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    It's totally cheesy and dated but I love it.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm a fan of the following:
    (current)
    Journeyman
    Heroes
    Chuck
    Tin Man (kind of sci fi)
    Eureka
    BSG and all BSG related material
    (over)
    Firefly
    Quantum Leap
    Star Trek (all)
    Lexx


    I'm not a fan of the following:
    Doctor Who
    Farscape (there were like eight hundred alien species, and maybe four over the course of the series had more than one of said species)
    Flash Gordon (the new, the old, whatever)

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I can't stand any Star Trek, at all. BSG I tried watching briefly, but it didn't grab me at all, don't know why exactly. I suppose I'll try again at some point.

    Babylon 5 I enjoyed, though the first dozen episodes or so were pure pain to trudge through. Firefly was great for what it ran for, and personally I rather enjoy Stargate and it's spinoffs. I find them harmless entertainment, that doesn't make you think too hard.

    I've seen the first episode of Farscape, and it seemed like a decent show. I'll have to remedy my ignorance of it.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I forgot about B5 and Stargate. I have really been wanting to get into stargate, but that's a lot of back seasons to go through, and I just don't know. I tried getting into X-Files after it ended and made it through season 2 and the movie before I had a breakdown.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Wtf, amateurhour, the Flash Gordon movie is great.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    the old one? I dig the theme song, but I just couldn't get into the movie like I could other sci-fi gems of the time.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I forgot about B5 and Stargate. I have really been wanting to get into stargate, but that's a lot of back seasons to go through, and I just don't know. I tried getting into X-Files after it ended and made it through season 2 and the movie before I had a breakdown.

    Yeah, the 10 seasons of SG-1 sounds pretty intimidating. A boring month of summer with no work and no friends around due to the holidays lent itself well to a marathon that got me to the 7th season or something.

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