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A remake on the X-Men ?

gabrielzerogabrielzero Registered User regular
edited December 2007 in Graphic Violence
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Also known as the "Ultimate X-Men."

This was a relaunch of the X-men in an attempt to draw in new fans. In this series the writers attempt to "simplify" the plot by concentrating on main characters and condensing the original synopsis. So far they had redone the Magneto , Phoenix , and Weapon X story lines. All of these well known sagas were remade marvelously , especially the theme of racism which sent chills down my spine.

I personally like this version a lot better, since they aren't afraid to kill off characters and keep them dead. (Which isn't that hard to do , since the Marvel Universe has so many excess characters. ) Some of the original fans are turned off by this , by I accept this different take on well established characters . We already seen the original main stars go in so many different directions, it's nice to start over with a fresh beginning.

It was refreshing to see Wolverine as a blood thirsty maniac, which is believable considering all he has been through. It will be a much better pay off when you see him evolve into the hero we all seen him become before. Also this version of Magneto is a much more believable villain , as the story of his origin is told through the eyes of Xavier.

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If you are looking to jump back into the X-men comics, I suggest picking up the first "Ultimate X-Men" trade paper back. :)

PS

The Hulk of this universe is a cannibal. XD

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    What's Ultimate?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Man I have no idea how to respond to this thread

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Guys, it was refreshing to see Wolverine as a blood thirsty maniac.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Man I have no idea how to respond to this thread

    i've staring at it for like 3 minutes with the same thought.

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  • gabrielzerogabrielzero Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm seriously liking this story line better then the original one, it's by far my favorite X-men story line. (It's even better then the movie version.) It's like someone read all of the original canon issues and improved upon it. As a kid I always wished someone would love the X-men enough to do a mature remake and release it on late night television , and this feels close enough to that fantasy. I wasn't sure I would like it this much , since I read almost all of the X-men essential TPB's . But It just makes me like the Ultimate X-men more.

    I like the little Wolverine and Storm relation that developed. What happened with the Hellfire Club, Longshot , and Mr. Sinister was crazy. It's cute how Spider-Man and Kitty Pryde have something going on , and I love Dazzler's new look

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    how far are you into UXM?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Better than the movie, you say?

    Impossible!

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Holy shit
    This is out?
    Why didn't anyone tell me?

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    His... his sig...

    Maybe he's roleplaying now.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Nogs wrote: »
    how far are you into UXM?

    This was the other thing that struck me. I mean, it's not like we can't have a UXM thread. But considering how widely reviled Kirkman's run is here the timing isn't very good to be starting one.

    But yeah mostly the content of the OP

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Seriously, once you get to Kirkman, the quality tanks horribly.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    By storyline does he mean the entire series or is he talking about a particular arc?

    Also, who've they killed off that stayed dead?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I think Kirkman's gotten better recently.

    But yeah it was utter shit for awhile there

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Most of UX-M is shit. Even authors who are good go right down the drain when they get on it.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    A much better current remake of X-Men is First Class (which is what I thought this thread was originally about)

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I disagree, most of Millar's run was good. I also enjoyed both Bendis and Vaughn on the book.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    I have the First Class mini. It was good, but not so good that I wanted to read it every month.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    meh... Ultimate X-Men is pretty miss and... well, almost hit. It has some interesting moments... at least at the beginning anyway. The whole "mutants are hunted and killed" thing made the threat to mutant kind seem more real then in the regular x-world... I guess.

    Meh... screw it. Ultimate Spider-Man all the way...

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  • SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Ultimate Dazzler was pretty cool.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    When Vaughan and Immonen were on this book it was the second best Ultimate Title coming out (First was and, hopefully always will be, Ultimate Spider-Man).

    And then Kirkman came along and turned Nightcrawler into a batshit insane homophobe obsessed over his exteammate who was in a coma.

    And created the self insert to end all self insert.

    And then made Cable a futuristic Wolverine.

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  • AlejandroDaJAlejandroDaJ Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Not only is Kirkman's run crap, but I despise the artists they've paired with him.

    However, this Wikipedia excerpt sounds cool (I haven't read past the appearance of the Six Pack):
    Meanwhile, Bishop has recruited a new team of X-Men, which is based out of Australia and includes Storm, Pyro, Dazzler, Psylocke and Angel. Storm brings up Wolverine as another possible member, to which Bishop remarks "I'll think about it." The team has since battled the recreated Sentinels funded by Bolivar Trask and Fenris. It has been since revealed that the entire "Cable" affair was designed to make the X-Men a stronger team, and Bishop is actually in league with Cable, whose reason to take Xavier to his future was to train him in order to prevent the rise of Apocalypse.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    SalmonOfDoubt wrote: »
    Ultimate Dazzler was pretty hot.

    Fixed!


    Yeah, what the guy did to Nightcrawler though was an absolute shame...

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    And created the self insert to end all self insert..
    You mean Magik or whatever the fuck, right? That shit was terrible

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    And created the self insert to end all self insert..
    You mean Magik or whatever the fuck, right? That shit was terrible
    I'm still not sure what Magician's powers were beyond "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT."

    I know Kirkman tired to explain them, but Jesus Christ. It was so bad.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Actually I didnt mind the Magician arc that much.

    But yes oh god the art was so bad for awhile. Honestly thats what bothered me the most.

    And I am pretty sure Nightcrawler was already shown as extremely uncomfortable with Colossus' homosexuality before Kirkman came on board.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    He was a bit freaked out by it, yes (as most straight guys are when they find out their close male friend is gay). But he wasn't all "PETER IS AN EVIL ABOMINATION" and "AND THEY CALL ME A MONSTER!" about it.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    And created the self insert to end all self insert..
    You mean Magik or whatever the fuck, right? That shit was terrible
    I'm still not sure what Magician's powers were beyond "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT."

    I know Kirkman tired to explain them, but Jesus Christ. It was so bad.

    That was his power. First subconciously, then conciously... he could make whatever he wanted happen, but only within an area of effect centered around him. When he left or moved, things would go back to normal there.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh, god. Really? I seriously thought he tried to give it some sort of actual limit. Wow. That is amazing.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    He was a bit freaked out by it, yes (as most straight guys are when they find out their close male friend is gay). But he wasn't all "PETER IS AN EVIL ABOMINATION" and "AND THEY CALL ME A MONSTER!" about it.

    Well but he only started acting to that extreme after he snapped completley.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Right.

    When Kirkman started writing it.

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Okay, let's be clear: Magician is no more powerful than Scarlet Witch, Proteus, Phoenix...you guys act like he was something new in comics.

    That said, I hate that arc. But for other reasons.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    mattharvest wrote: »
    Okay, let's be clear: Magician is no more powerful than Scarlet Witch, Proteus, Phoenix...you guys act like he was something new in comics.

    That said, I hate that arc. But for other reasons.

    I think the only difference was the "ease of use," in that he expended no effort and suffered no consequences... but you're right, he has essentially the same skill set as those you mentioned.

    Unregardless, Ultimate X-Men started strong, then hit a serious decline... I think we can mostly agree on that.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well there's also the fact that he can only influence reality directly around himself and it requires his constant prescence to keep up the effect.

    Where Wanda for example permentantly alterted all of reality.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hey, I liked the Magician arc. But, yes, UXM has seen better days.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's worth noting that Proteus, Scarlet Witch, and Phoenix did substantially more with their powers than simply making themselves look good in front of the cool kids, and that they were all eventually brought down.

    Magician is just a dick who can do anything, did everything he wanted to do, and then left.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's worth noting that the Magician character was just a kid and has no real ambition other than to be accepted, and again there's not much of substance he can accomplish since nothing he does will ever last.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    It's worth noting that the Magician character was just a kid and has no real ambition other than to be accepted, and again there's not much of substance he can accomplish since nothing he does will ever last.

    So Kirkman couldn't make the Magician storyline good because the Magician character was subject to the limitations of youth, lack of imagination, and the limited duration of his constructs, these limitations being inventions of Kirkman as well.

    Geez, if it hadn't been for Kirkman, this Kirkman storyline would have been a lot better.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    No, I actually liked the Magician storyline. I believe what I was saying is that comparing him world level threats like Phoenix and Proteus is missing the point of the story.

    If you didnt like it thats fine, but don't complain because it's not something it was never meant to be.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    What do you think the point of the story was?

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hooraydiation wrote: »
    What do you think the point of the story was?

    That... uh... sometimes there will be a powerful mutant who can't control their abilities...

    and Wolverine won't kill them?

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