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Buying a laptop, a good student laptop.

The Last GentThe Last Gent Registered User regular
edited December 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Alright, so for christmas, my parents are giving me a thousand to get myself a laptop for school (no small favour on their part). Now, I have some money of my own so that thousand isn't necessarily the limit (though I dont really want to go blowing another thousand on it, thatd really hurt me financially). Anyway, seeing as I suddenly have the funds, I was looking at getting a nice Mac Laptop. Now heres the thing: I know jack about buying computers, and the hardware and stuff. I can WORK them fine, and I'm fluent with both PCs and Macs, but once I start looking into processors, and system specifications and stuff, my mind just glazes over. So, help me out, PAers. I'm a university student, enrolled in Journalism, got a fair amount of money to spend on a lappy, looking to get a Mac Lappy, what stuff am I looking for? What should I get with it? What are the specs I have to memorize? Tips, facts, recommendations, all are welcome, bear in mind I know nothing about hardware. It would mostly be used for work, though finally having my own computer rather than a family one WOULD mean I'd kind of like to trick it out, too. Also, good battery life would be obliged.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Macbooks are great for students. I'm sure there will be a few "nuh uh!" comments, and they've got their points, but let me outline a few things:

    Portability: If you plan to use this as anything other than a desktop then you're going to like the size. If you decide to go with something else, I'd advise you not to exceed the 15" screens.

    Battery life: Battery life on the newest Macbooks is pretty substantial; around 5hrs depending on how you do things.

    Design: magsafe power chord, front row, remote, keyboard, camera, all of this stuff blends together in an indescribably useful way.

    Generally your shit breaks less: There is plenty that can go wrong with a mac but, in my experience, there are far more things that go wrong with PC.

    OS X: In my opinion it is about the best OS out today.

    If you go the mac route, get the one in the middle (the white one with the larger processor) and the lowest RAM they have (they charge waaaay too much for RAM). Consider bumping up the HDD, but don't do that at the expense of speed.

    And, now, this is important:

    Look at your school's literature or computer store and see about student discounts. I know apple offers a pretty decent student discount of around 100 off for a Macbook. Definitely look into this.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Seconded for the Macbook. You can use your student number to get $100-$150 discount on new Mac gear. Go for it.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    third for macbook, if you have the money and want to play games get the pro.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Also what do you mean by trick it out? Get better features? Unless you go for an alienware desktop replacement, you're not gonna find a much better laptop than the macbook pro.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    What do you want your laptop to do?
    Run powerful programs?
    Fit in small spaces?
    Run forever on it's battery?

    Come on, give us some wants.

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  • noobertnoobert Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Considering i do this for a living.... (not with Macs tho, but the basics are the same)

    What exactly do you want to do with it? Just type up assignments? Considering you are on PA, is gaming a concern? What programs will you NEED to run? Are they compatible with OSX?

    If they are not compatible with OSX, you will need to look at bootcamping Vista or XP. You may want to take the extra cost of a license for this OS into consideration too.

    Speaking of extra costs, things like a Wireless router for home, Bag or some kind of sleeve and obviously, software.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Don't get a macbook just for the discount. My school has a specific store for computers and you can get an educational discount on almost anything you just need to look into it. I wanted a macbook but instead I went with a thinkpad and I am very happy with it. I have absolutely nothing against macbooks though they are good computers but I didn't have the time or patience to learn a new OS. Also Macworld is in January I think so you probably want to wait to get one until after that.

    Also, all Thinkpads are on sale right now. Just saying.

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  • The Last GentThe Last Gent Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    O.o holy cripes, I wasn't expecting so much info so fast. Ummm..I'l have to write those specs down, no way in hell I'm remembering this....Uhh, question, does RAM=Memory space? If so why would I want less? (please don't facepalm, I know I'm a noob regarding that). And yeah, IIRC we sell computers in my bookstore at a discount, good ones too, I remember seeing Macs there. I'll look into it, but it closes for the holidays so I probably can't buy it until afterwards. Trick it out: I....really don't know. I don't plan on gaming on it (I stick to consoles) I guess, I just give it all the programs necessary for a student. I guess I'd go with all three of Improvolone's wants there, sounds good to me. Oh and I already know how a mac OS works, I have one at home, so thats not a problem.

    Thanks a TON for the comments, I'm going to bed now, feel free to add anything else you think is useful.

    Thanks again!

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got a mac for this semester, and couldn't be happier.

    The portability is the big selling point for me. Not just how easy it is to carry with me, but it has great battery life. If you plan on carrying it around from class to class you're going to appreciate the portability.

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  • contrabandcontraband Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    RAM = Random Access Memory, which is the component that essentially governs how snappy your computer is when you're doing a bunch of things at once. 1GB is fine, but if you want to just feel quick quick quick (especially if you're getting a new MacBook [which I recommend as well], which will have Leopard installed), then I would recommend 2GB. Apple is known for overcharging for RAM, so consider maybe buying it cheaper from a website like Newegg.com and installing it yourself? Apple has a how-to, on their website and I believe it comes in the computer's manual. If you're skittish about that though, then there isn't anything wrong really with just ordering one with 2GB. You would save ~$75 installing it yourself, from my experience.

    Unless you will be using the graphics card for graphics-heavy applications, the regular MacBook would be ideal. For reference, my friend's several-year-old iBook G4 can run World of Warcraft amiably at the lowest settings, and the platform has gone nowhere but faster since then. If you were curious.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I personally am a HUGE fan of the smaller laptops, so things such as macbooks get a huge thumbs up from me as well. 14.1" is the biggest I can ever recommend to anyone who wants portability (it's typically the same sized keyboard and internal options as a 15.4", but a much trimmer form factor), but after buying a 12.1" this year, I will never again buy anything over 13.3". http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220198 is something I would suggest, mostly because you can game on it and everything, but the battery life leaves a bit to be desired.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Shogun wrote: »
    Don't get a macbook just for the discount. My school has a specific store for computers and you can get an educational discount on almost anything you just need to look into it. I wanted a macbook but instead I went with a thinkpad and I am very happy with it. I have absolutely nothing against macbooks though they are good computers but I didn't have the time or patience to learn a new OS. Also Macworld is in January I think so you probably want to wait to get one until after that.

    Also, all Thinkpads are on sale right now. Just saying.


    This is all good stuff right here.

    I used to have a thinkpad and I've set up a few nice ones when I was working in IT; definitely a good option if you go the PC route.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    contraband wrote: »
    RAM = Random Access Memory, which is the component that essentially governs how snappy your computer is when you're doing a bunch of things at once. 1GB is fine, but if you want to just feel quick quick quick (especially if you're getting a new MacBook [which I recommend as well], which will have Leopard installed), then I would recommend 2GB. Apple is known for overcharging for RAM, so consider maybe buying it cheaper from a website like Newegg.com and installing it yourself? Apple has a how-to, on their website and I believe it comes in the computer's manual. If you're skittish about that though, then there isn't anything wrong really with just ordering one with 2GB. You would save ~$75 installing it yourself, from my experience.

    Unless you will be using the graphics card for graphics-heavy applications, the regular MacBook would be ideal. For reference, my friend's several-year-old iBook G4 can run World of Warcraft amiably at the lowest settings, and the platform has gone nowhere but faster since then. If you were curious.


    installing ram on a laptop is ridiculously easy. Isn't it like 3 screws? On macs the RAM slot is isolated so you can access it without exposing anything else inside.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Sam wrote: »
    contraband wrote: »
    RAM = Random Access Memory, which is the component that essentially governs how snappy your computer is when you're doing a bunch of things at once. 1GB is fine, but if you want to just feel quick quick quick (especially if you're getting a new MacBook [which I recommend as well], which will have Leopard installed), then I would recommend 2GB. Apple is known for overcharging for RAM, so consider maybe buying it cheaper from a website like Newegg.com and installing it yourself? Apple has a how-to, on their website and I believe it comes in the computer's manual. If you're skittish about that though, then there isn't anything wrong really with just ordering one with 2GB. You would save ~$75 installing it yourself, from my experience.

    Unless you will be using the graphics card for graphics-heavy applications, the regular MacBook would be ideal. For reference, my friend's several-year-old iBook G4 can run World of Warcraft amiably at the lowest settings, and the platform has gone nowhere but faster since then. If you were curious.


    installing ram on a laptop is ridiculously easy. Isn't it like 3 screws? On macs the RAM slot is isolated so you can access it without exposing anything else inside.

    Yep. If you look at the RAM pricing on Apple's webpage they're looking at, what, +750 to put in 4 gigs of RAM on the new Macbooks? 2x2GB sticks of the same RAM cost like $80.00. So there's no reason a sane person would let apple install their RAM.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah, don't get extra RAM from Apple, it's ridiculously overpriced and installing RAM on their laptops is easy as pie. The only thing you might want to upgrade on the outset is harddrive size, but that's more of a personal choice - i got the bigger HD so I could put XP on it.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Guys... not meaning to sound like a dick, but if the OP has trouble knowing what RAM is, he probably shouldn't even be considering installing it himself.

    Macbook is a great choice though.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Bottom-end MacBook + AppleCare + OpenOffice
    If you really want to burn DVDs bad enough to drop an extra $200, upgrade to the SuperDrive. I didn't, and don't regret it.

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Lewisham wrote: »
    Guys... not meaning to sound like a dick, but if the OP has trouble knowing what RAM is, he probably shouldn't even be considering installing it himself.

    Macbook is a great choice though.

    I recently looked up what you have to do to install RAM in a Macbook. All it takes is removing the battery, removing three screws from a small face-plate, and slipping the RAM in the slot. Pretty simple. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303721

    Quick hijack (though it's on topic) because I don't think the OP may have considered this. How necessary would you guys deem Apple Care on a Macbook? And does upgrading the RAM yourself void anything from it or the built in warranty? I'd considered it myself, and if the OP wants to move around at all with this thing he might want to concern himself with some sort of protection from accidents.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    drhazard wrote: »
    Lewisham wrote: »
    Guys... not meaning to sound like a dick, but if the OP has trouble knowing what RAM is, he probably shouldn't even be considering installing it himself.

    Macbook is a great choice though.

    I recently looked up what you have to do to install RAM in a Macbook. All it takes is removing the battery, removing three screws from a small face-plate, and slipping the RAM in the slot. Pretty simple. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303721

    Quick hijack (though it's on topic) because I don't think the OP may have considered this. How necessary would you guys deem Apple Care on a Macbook? And does upgrading the RAM yourself void anything from it or the built in warranty? I'd considered it myself, and if the OP wants to move around at all with this thing he might want to concern himself with some sort of protection from accidents.

    You get a student-discount on the AppleCare plan as well, and in the end MacBook + AppleCare after discounts costs minimally more than MacBook by itself before discounts.

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  • The Last GentThe Last Gent Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well I'm back. And Lewisham isn't being a dick, I wouldn't trust myself to open one of those things until after I had owned it for awhile:P....Definitely not immediately. I know the programs, but not the guts. At all.

    Sadly my student store on campus has closed until something like mid-January, so I may have to go the big-brick-and-mortar route. I hope that the student discount thing applies out in the wild, too.

    Umm, I don't know if it's important, but I probably should have mentioned in the OP that I'm based in Canada, if that matters at all in these times. But yeah, I've gotten enough tips on the model here (I'll have to print them out or write them down or something, I can feel them going through my head as I read them) so, remembering that I'm in Canada, how much money are we looking at needing for, lets say, 2GB ram, 13-14'' dimensions (archonwarp's post) (I'd have to see them in person to pick the size) a good sized HD and lasting battery, and maybe a decent MS Office software bundle to go with it (I know they exist, the Imac at home has one).

    Also how much would that Mac Care thing cost?

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Order all of your components from ncix.com. They are Canadian, based in my home province (BC), ship anywhere that Canada Post does, you can pay by Interac Online Bill payments if you have an account with one of the big five, and they are the cheapest in Canada. If you find something else at another online shop cheaper, they will price match it.

    I've built two PCs from scratch from them, and done multiple upgrades, and I get everything from them. Very good, very cheap, very good service. You will be able to get any brand and size of RAM you want, and you'll get it pretty much as cheap as anywhere (barring a few exceptions).

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Heh. My school's bookstore claimed to be $120 less than the Apple store. Their bottom-end MacBook was a 1.8GHz model with not-Leopard and no AppleCare for $1450. I went to the Apple store and got a 2.0 GHz Leopard MacBook with AppleCare for about $1300. For the student discount they asked to see my school-ID.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I wouldn't bother with my campus computer store. You can get the discount directly from apple so long as your school is listed.

    Also, consider waiting until January if you can; there's always the chance that the macbook will get a bump in performance or apple will release something that you really want.

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  • Brodo FagginsBrodo Faggins Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    If you're gonna go with Apple, the current rumors state, along with supposed sightings in Cupertino, that black-metal clad macbooks are on the way. Wait til the Macworld announcement before buying.

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  • VacuumJockeyVacuumJockey Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I see that you are a student of the noble art of journalism. Then portability and a fast boot-up may also be of importance to you. I suggest you take a look at the Asus EEE PC. It retails for about $400. Then, for your dorm room, you may want...

    * A good monitor, 'round $250 (and you can get one with a TV-tuner by adding $100 to this)
    * A full-size keyboard and a mouse, say $50
    * An external USB hard drive for your music, $100
    * A good set of speakers, hmm... starts at $20 for crap, but the sky's the limit
    * And maybe even a printer, although that could take you over the $1000

    Admittedly, you won't be doing much gaming on such a setup but that's what consoles are for. ;^)

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