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Guitar Tuning

Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLYT O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
edited December 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
So my boyfriend bought me a new guitar for Christmas, which was a very nice gift. It came with a little tuner that you can clip onto the headboard. I tuned it up all nice, and the tuner is swearing that it's in order, but everything I play sounds really off. I'm not good enough to tune by ear. What should I do?

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    If you're playing by yourself you can just tune it to the E string. As I recall the order is 5/5/5/4/5 from there. (Meaning the 5th fret on the bottom string = open second string and so on)

    In my experience tuners are incredibly sensitive to the tone of the note, if you don't get a clear tone they read way sharp or flat. Also you might try repositioning it.

    I have a $20 tuner that I got at Guitar Center, not a clip-on, instead you set it in front of the soundhole (or plug it in if electric) and go from there.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    If you're playing by yourself you can just tune it to the E string. As I recall the order is 5/5/5/4/5 from there. (Meaning the 5th fret on the bottom string = open second string and so on)

    In my experience tuners are incredibly sensitive to the tone of the note, if you don't get a clear tone they read way sharp or flat. Also you might try repositioning it.

    I have a $20 tuner that I got at Guitar Center, not a clip-on, instead you set it in front of the soundhole (or plug it in if electric) and go from there.

    How do I tune E, though? I'm pretty sure that it is not right.

    Another thing to note - the tuner came with a number in the top right ranging from 400-450. The instruction manual said that 440Hz was standard. Should I be tuning it to a different number?

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well since the E string is the heaviest, it goes out of tune the slowest. So you just say 'meh' and tune the rest of the strings to that. You won't be on tune to anyone else, but you will be in tune to the guitar by itself, so it's good enough to play. (Especially if all you're doing is diddling around or practicing finger patterns)

    As for the tuner hz - no idea, I think I just left my tuner the way it was out of the box.

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  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    440 is standard (unless you are guns and roses and they tune half a step flat)... How does your tuner display the notes? Like when you play the second (second thickest string) does it say A then indicate if you are flat or sharp?

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  • ConceptConcept Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Assuming that your tuner is somehow out of whack, there are plenty of resources on the web, including this which will play the right note for you to match, or this which works like a tuner using microphone input.

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  • Seaborn111Seaborn111 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    biggest piece of advice i can give you is this...

    new strings must be tuned about once ever three fucking picks.

    after an hour or two of playing, and retuning, your strings should be properly seated/stretched.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hey all, thanks for the help.

    I've been tuning it to the online tuner, since the computer I'm on right now doesn't have a microphone. The original notes sound perfect with the ones on the site, but then I play a chord and it sounds wretched.

    I don't know what's wrong. It just sounds completely and totally out of tune even after I've been spending hours tuning.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Acoustic or electric? Did he have it setup at the store first? If it is an electric, the intonation is probably out and most likely just needs to be setup. With an acoustic, if the intonation is bad, it takes more work to get it right. It could be the nut, or the saddle that needs work, or something else. Just about any guitar will sound and play better after being properly setup by a qualified tech or luthier.

    Every guitar has sour note(s) on it too. It has to do with the physics of the fretboard. Some chords don't sound right, especially when you are behind the guitar and not in front of it. You can do standard tuning, or you can fine tune it to the chords (others might sound worse after), or you can try equal temperament tuning.

    If you are new to guitar, it could also be your technique. Does it sound bad when other people play it? Have you tried playing it someplace else, like a stairwell, or another area with better acoustics? As other have said, new strings take time to reach their optimal stretch and will need frequent tuning. Worn strings generally sound dull, and have reduced resonance / sustain. Nylon strings can also develop thin spots that completely ruin their sound.

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  • limester816limester816 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    If you're playing by yourself you can just tune it to the E string. As I recall the order is 5/5/5/4/5 from there. (Meaning the 5th fret on the bottom string = open second string and so on)

    In my experience tuners are incredibly sensitive to the tone of the note, if you don't get a clear tone they read way sharp or flat. Also you might try repositioning it.

    I have a $20 tuner that I got at Guitar Center, not a clip-on, instead you set it in front of the soundhole (or plug it in if electric) and go from there.

    That is a really bad mentality. Sure your guitar is in tune with itself, but the pitches and frequencies are still off, and your mind will never get those proper tunings ingrained into your ear. Make sure that you're using the proper tuning, EADGBE, and if you are, then something might be wrong with the tuner, but usually the ones that clip onto the headstock are pretty accurate.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I used to tune to Metallica's "Nothing Else Matters" when I was first learning. It's great because most of the intro plays low E -> G -> B -> high E -> B -> G -> repeat. You would have to be able to tell the difference in pitch between your guitar and the song, but if nothing else it's great for getting the E's in tune so you can tune the rest yourself.

    If you have no clue where each string should be close to before using the tuner, using a method like this might help. Some tuners go apeshit if you get a certain point below or above the "correct" pitch.

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  • MuragoMurago Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    have someone else try out the guitar, someone who has a little experience. You want to make sure that the problem isn't your personal technique. If this is your first time behind a guitar (or even getting back into guitar after a long time) it could easily be how you're playing it. If someone experienced plays and its still bad, then its the tonation.

    Good luck. What kind of guitar BTW! I assume acoustic/classical, but who's the manufacturer?

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  • Super MikeSuper Mike Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    A440 is standard. I hope your problem isn't this obvious... but it's the high e string at the fifth fret that's supposed to be 440hz. Tune the rest of the guitar relative to that string. Google how to do that if you don't already know.

    When you're tuning the guitar to itself, listen carefully for waves when you're comparing two notes that are very close together. You'll know what I mean when you hear it. With two notes that are perfectly identical, you won't hear any waves. Don't worry about being perfect though, just get the waves/vibrations as far apart as possible and you'll be fine. (These "waves" btw, are what's responsible for the dissonant chords even though the individual notes sound right)

    And yeah, don't be the person who tunes the guitar to itself but out of pitch. It _will_ sound like shit.
    Well since the E string is the heaviest, it goes out of tune the slowest.
    This is absolutely wrong. Because the E string is wound so tightly and has such high tension, it takes forever to break it in. I find myself retuning a new E string days or weeks after I put it on. Stretching it a bit before you you actually wind it helps a lot though.

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  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    There is almost no way you can tell the difference between 440 and 442, I doubt that's the problem.

    If I had to guess I would say it's your technique. When you hold the strings to the fret, before you strum the chord strum each string to make sure you're holding it down properly. If that works, with a balanced strum it should sound correct. Make sure you're hitting all the strings and not jabbing one or two of them.

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  • HorseshoeHorseshoe Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tuning gets easier after a while but it's really a bitch when you're learning and not so confident about how you sound... it sucks when the guitar is out of tune and you don't know it and you think you sound horrible. Since I ususally accompany myself on the harmonica I get in tune with it, but it took me a long time for my friggin' tin ear to get with that program.

    For what it's worth, tuning with harmonics was helpful when I was starting out and my tone and fingering (hehe) wasn't so great. It was easier for me to hear. And often it still is... many of us find ourselves getting exasperated with the B string from time to time.

    You play a harmonic by very lightly holding your finger over a fret and then plucking the string. When you lift your finger away from the fret the harmonic note will still ring out. It's nice sound... the intro to "Sweet Child O Mine" by Guns N Roses is all harmonics.

    To tune one string to another, hit a 5th fret harmonic on the lower string and a 7th fret harmonic on the higher string. The notes will continue to ring out even when your hand is away from the fretboard, so your left hand is free to work the keys and tune up.

    The pitches should ring loud and clear. If you get a choppy sound it means the pitches are slightly out of tune. You'll be able to hear it when they're in tune because they are the same note. (People who have really sharp ears can point out that they aren't exactly the same note but it's close enough for most of us to be satisfied with the sound... it will get you close enough for rock n' roll).

    The 5th fret to 7th fret harmonic can be used to tune the low E to the A, the A to the D, and D to G. To tune the B string to the D string, play the 7th fret harmonic of the low E and the open B string. Then you can tune the high E to the B with a 5th to 7th harmonic.

    It's wierd to explain but easy to show how to do. A quick consultation with google may give you a better explanation.

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  • lifeincognitolifeincognito Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hey all, thanks for the help.

    I've been tuning it to the online tuner, since the computer I'm on right now doesn't have a microphone. The original notes sound perfect with the ones on the site, but then I play a chord and it sounds wretched.

    I don't know what's wrong. It just sounds completely and totally out of tune even after I've been spending hours tuning.

    It has been said before and I'll echo that here: Take it to a shop to get the intonation checked and set up properly. If the guitar is brand new not only are the strings going to slide/get stuck in the nut and maybe the bridge, but it probably isn't setup properly. If it is electric and you have a floating bridge or in fact any sort of whammy bar you could be in for all sorts of headaches as well.

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