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Walls of Retarded Difficulty You Overcame With Creativity

StriferStrifer Registered User regular
edited December 2007 in Games and Technology
Whenever you found yourself in a spot where you just knew you could not do whatever the game wanted from you in the usual fashion, or whenever you decided to ruin the game's day of cheapshotting your very soul by being even more cheap, this is the thread to tell everyone about it. Basically, tell awesome stories of your gaming prowess against hard stuff in a creative fashion. *Blucher*

Technically, matches against other players do not count, but if you have a good story to tell, then go ahead.

FFX Spoilers ahead, so be warned. If you haven't finished the game, don't read it.
Let me start off with the one (and first of two) boss battle in FFX when many literally felt like strangling the devs to death: Seymour Flux.

I might have forgotten everything else about this game, but if there is one thing I will remember for years to come is that fucking boss battle. Here comes Seymour, all high and mighty, but we are going to KICK HIS WHATTHEFUCK TOTAL ANNIHILATION BITCHES! I have learned many swear swords that day.

Ultimately, I have toughed out his asscrushing attack by using multiple items that double your maximum hp and hoped that I could wear him out before he did me. Luckily enough, I won. And I've tried different combinations of spells, skills, and whatnot.

I am sure you have some stories of your own to share, and most likely much better than mine, so post away!

EDIT: You're right The Sneak! My excuse is that it is past midnight over here.

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  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    You couldn't just use a spoiler tag why?

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

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  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    Word.

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  • themocawthemocaw Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Trauma Center: Under the Knife: learning to two-stylus the X-Missions using full-sized pen stylii instead of hand-cramping DS stylii. I can't call it creativity because someone else did it first, but it was still a lot of fun.

    Also, it was funny watching people ask me, "Trauma Center, huh?" when they saw me lay my DS down on a table and pull out a pair of stylii from my bag.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    There was this one God of War Puzzle that required you to jump from rope to rope, swinging as you went.
    Obviously, I was too fuck retarded to know that swinging was an ability, so I thought you had to jump from rope to rope stationary. After attemtping this about 40 times I got it, and then died very quickly.
    I spawned nack on the wrong side, and then discovered the swing feature.

    Mutha fucka...

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Recently I was playing mass effect, an early game spoiler
    Where you have to kill that matriarch chick near the queen alien thingy, at least on my 5th try I figured out how to skip dialogue so yeah it made it easier to get through that part, but fuck that bitch with her 4 little monkeys that can knock you down and rape you, GRARARHARHAHR so angry!

    Preacher on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

    Yeah, right, lets compare a RPG where there is no timing or button sequencing to a freaking action game. LETS JUST DO THAT THEN. Have you watched the videos? All that he really does is use favorable equipment (to absorb elemental attacks) and spam items. You just have to know how to use Rikku and have a fair amount of patience.

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  • LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    One of the stupid forced stealth sections in Beyond Good and Evil. You lose and have to try again every time you're spotted? Hooray!

    It was a room with five or six guards, something like that. I beat it by discing one of them in the back, running up to them, kicking them, then getting spotted. I repeated that until they were all gone. Because screw sneaking around.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Every now and again in God Hand I'd lure groups of enemies over and over down elaborate paths to get them to a point where I could kick them off of a bridge and kill them instantly because I was too low on life to fight them legitimately.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

    Yeah, right, lets compare a RPG where there is no timing or button sequencing to a freaking action game. LETS JUST DO THAT THEN.

    Because as we all know, there is no strategy in any RPGs and the guy played through the game without carefully preparing for every boss fight and making sure which attacks he needed to use. I'm sure you think that everybody should be able to beat the hardest difficulty on chess games then.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Early game spoiler? That was the second to last story related thing I did in the game.

    Thing with retarded difficulty: Bosses in SNK fighting games.
    Solution: Timed sweeps. That's it. Real flaw in the AI, but whatever.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Early game spoiler? That was the second to last story related thing I did in the game.

    Thing with retarded difficulty: Bosses in SNK fighting games.
    Solution: Timed sweeps. That's it. Real flaw in the AI, but whatever.

    Really? Shit, that was the first place I went on my journey. Maybe I am playing the game wrong. Uh so my spoiler might be more end game then I thought sorry for anyone who read it.

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

    Yeah, right, lets compare a RPG where there is no timing or button sequencing to a freaking action game. LETS JUST DO THAT THEN.

    Because as we all know, there is no strategy in any RPGs and the guy played through the game without carefully preparing for every boss fight and making sure which attacks he needed to use. I'm sure you think that everybody should be able to beat the hardest difficulty on chess games then.

    Would you mind not putting words in my mouth, you insufferable prick? You can fight and lose a battle once to find most of the attacks. Hell, in the Shin Megami Tensei games that's practically a staple. And I challenge you to quote me where I said RPGs have no strategy.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    A person can be both Morrowind and Fallout in both half an hour so anybody who has trouble with the games just suck.

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  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Every now and again in God Hand I'd lure groups of enemies over and over down elaborate paths to get them to a point where I could kick them off of a bridge and kill them instantly because I was too low on life to fight them legitimately.

    Madness.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah, when they told me to go to the three planets I did two, then the event with the stuff and the explosions and the spoilers and the whatever, and then I went back and did the "ice planet."

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    A person can be both Morrowind and Fallout in both half an hour so anybody who has trouble with the games just suck.

    Hey, great, all I need is Dorothy, the Lion and the Tinman and I'll have the full fucking set.

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  • themocawthemocaw Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    A person can be both Morrowind and Fallout in both half an hour so anybody who has trouble with the games just suck.

    Hey, great, all I need is Dorothy, the Lion and the Tinman and I'll have the full fucking set.

    Lead, you are so sigged :)

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  • StriferStrifer Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

    Yeah, right, lets compare a RPG where there is no timing or button sequencing to a freaking action game. LETS JUST DO THAT THEN. Have you watched the videos? All that he really does is use favorable equipment (to absorb elemental attacks) and spam items. You just have to know how to use Rikku and have a fair amount of patience.

    The point is that the game was relatively mild with difficulty until that point and then BAM! It is passable, but it sure puts the heat on the player. I mean, you cannot even die during the final boss battle.

    There is one boss that is far worse than that and she can go to hell. Please correct me if I am wrong but if you save right before the fight do you get stuck in that room until you beat her or no? Because I remember finding myself in a very unfavourable position, so much so that I considered restarting.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Yeah, when they told me to go to the three planets I did two, then the event with the stuff and the explosions and the spoilers and the whatever, and then I went back and did the "ice planet."

    See I went there first just to check things out, and thought while I was stuck on that battle "maybe I came here too soon."

    Preacher on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    I honestly cannot take any criticism of the difficulty in FFX seriously since watching the "No Sphere Grid" videos on YouTube. If that dude can do it with only items and equipment then regular players have nothing to complain about.

    That is like saying that if a guy can be the hardest difficulty in Ninja Gaiden Black using only the worst form of the wooden sword, ordinary players have nothing to complain about.

    Yeah, right, lets compare a RPG where there is no timing or button sequencing to a freaking action game. LETS JUST DO THAT THEN.

    Because as we all know, there is no strategy in any RPGs and the guy played through the game without carefully preparing for every boss fight and making sure which attacks he needed to use. I'm sure you think that everybody should be able to beat the hardest difficulty on chess games then.

    Would you mind not putting words in my mouth, you insufferable prick? You can fight and lose a battle once to find most of the attacks. Hell, in the Shin Megami Tensei games that's practically a staple. And I challenge you to quote me where I said RPGs have no strategy.

    For one, you would have to make sure you have exactly the right items, exactly the right equipment, and hope to god that everything goes exactly according to plan. I don't see how that isn't a pretty hard thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy used a guide to know exactly what the weaknesses of the various enemies and bosses were.

    The OP did fight over repeatedly to find out what worked:
    Ultimately, I have toughed out his asscrushing attack by using multiple items that double your maximum hp and hoped that I could wear him out before he did me. Luckily enough, I won. And I've tried different combinations of spells, skills, and whatnot.
    He did that, and he still had problems. Unless he gets a guide and figures out every single thing about the enemy, I don't see why you can't stand criticism that he found the boss really fucking hard just because some guy spent the time figuring the game out.

    Edit:
    Most FF games have a No X walkthrough.
    FFVII has a "no materia, no items" walkthrough, FFVIII also has a "no level up" walkthrough, etc.

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Dropping the theoreticals for a second, the battle isn't even that bad. Before you get to that boss I believe the previous shop has items that make you immune to one of his attacks, or you can just craft armor that makes you immune with 200 Holy Waters. Or even better, you can silence him. Between that and doing an Aeon rush I can't imagine having that much trouble with him.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Preacher wrote: »
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Yeah, when they told me to go to the three planets I did two, then the event with the stuff and the explosions and the spoilers and the whatever, and then I went back and did the "ice planet."

    See I went there first just to check things out, and thought while I was stuck on that battle "maybe I came here too soon."

    Yeah, by the time I reached that area I had achieved wtfpwn status and proceeded to absolutely slaughter the boss in question and a few waves of spawning support enemies just for fun.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Greeper wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Every now and again in God Hand I'd lure groups of enemies over and over down elaborate paths to get them to a point where I could kick them off of a bridge and kill them instantly because I was too low on life to fight them legitimately.

    Madness.

    :lol:

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I was playing BG II the other day, a game who's absurd difficulty is only mitigated by the fact that you can save anywhere. I'm fighting high level wizards with like 10 shields I have no way of purging at my level, and who can auto-kill my character. So what do I do?

    Pinpoint their location with sanctuary (character can't be targetted or attacked), step just outside of the fog of war range, spam their location with silence spells, then summon a herd of fucking bears and maul them to death. Godless killing machines.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    Dropping the theoreticals for a second, the battle isn't even that bad. Before you get to that boss I believe the previous shop has items that make you immune to one of his attacks, or you can just craft armor that makes you immune with 200 Holy Waters. Or even better, you can silence him. Between that and doing an Aeon rush I can't imagine having that much trouble with him.

    You could. Or you could, like me, have next to no idea what you're talking about despite having gone through the entire game previously. I mean, yeah, I just Aeon and Overdrive-d the shit out of everything in that game, but I don't remember immunity items being sold by the vendor because I don't hit up vendors very often and I certainly didn't think to augment my armor with 200 Holy Waters or some such.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Given that the only times "final fantasy" and "hard" should be mentioned together is Final Fantasy Tactics, I have no idea why there's a discussion of FFX going on.

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  • themocawthemocaw Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tenchu: Wrath of Heaven

    My problem: The final boss in Tesshu's storyline is a pain in the ass because Tessu moves slower than a fucking bag of bricks and the boss is the fastest fast that ever fasted. Fastly.

    My solution: bring a fuckton of grenades and just bomb the motherfucker to death.

    Yes, I know it's not very ninja-like, but after a dozen or so tries to do it the right way, one gets sick of it.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I killed a dragon in BG II using a bunch of area effect spells and luring the dragon into a bunch of those magical traps that go off when something is near them.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    themocaw wrote: »
    Tenchu: Wrath of Heaven

    My problem: The final boss in Tesshu's storyline is a pain in the ass because Tessu moves slower than a fucking bag of bricks and the boss is the fastest fast that ever fasted. Fastly.

    My solution: bring a fuckton of grenades and just bomb the motherfucker to death.

    Yes, I know it's not very ninja-like, but after a dozen or so tries to do it the right way, one gets sick of it.

    In my play through, Wrath of Heaven forced me to do a lot of cheap/stupid things.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Given that the only times "final fantasy" and "hard" should be mentioned together is Final Fantasy Tactics, I have no idea why there's a discussion of FFX going on.

    And any real difficulty in FFT can be mitigated by power leveling. So if you ever really get stuck, it's not too hard to fix.

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  • themocawthemocaw Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fig-D wrote: »
    In my play through, Wrath of Heaven forced me to do a lot of cheap/stupid things.

    Not nearly as bad as Tenchu 1 and 2, though. Tenchu 2 especially: goddamn that game was stupid hard. I wound up "creatively" solving my problem by using a fucking cheat code so I could get the blowgun and make the game actually playable, instead of just stupid.

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  • VicVic Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I might say Homeworld. Firstly, the campain itself was fairly hard until I realised how many ships you could steal by "salvaging" them. My next playthrough of the game saw me salvaging absolutely everything I could find (I even salvaged some out of fuel corvettes).

    As for a specifically hard thing I overcame, I'd say the ghost ship special level. Theres this huge inert ship that steals any ship larger than a small corvette guarded by a swarm of its former victims. The map took like 5 tries for me to finish without ridiculous losses, which too me through alot of strategies going from distraction ships and fragile bombers, heavy corvettes soaking fire, and so on. I think that eventually I got it by using alot of fast distraction ships to spread the fleet apart and grabbing the monstrously dangerous missile destroyer with salvage corvettes. Really cool game.

    Oh, and could you please drop it Pb? We don't care.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Given that the only times "final fantasy" and "hard" should be mentioned together is Final Fantasy Tactics, I have no idea why there's a discussion of FFX going on.

    And any real difficulty in FFT can be mitigated by power leveling. So if you ever really get stuck, it's not too hard to fix.

    Well, there are some points in the game where you can save and screw yourself. It may only be one point. I forget, as it's been many years since I've played.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Given that the only times "final fantasy" and "hard" should be mentioned together is Final Fantasy Tactics, I have no idea why there's a discussion of FFX going on.

    And any real difficulty in FFT can be mitigated by power leveling. So if you ever really get stuck, it's not too hard to fix.

    Well, there are some points in the game where you can save and screw yourself. It may only be one point. I forget, as it's been many years since I've played.

    There's at least two, I can tell you for sure. I don't really want to speak about it any further.

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  • TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    My brother took our Zelda II gold cart out back and smashed it with a hammer. That's creative in like a modern art sort of way, right?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Given that the only times "final fantasy" and "hard" should be mentioned together is Final Fantasy Tactics, I have no idea why there's a discussion of FFX going on.

    And any real difficulty in FFT can be mitigated by power leveling. So if you ever really get stuck, it's not too hard to fix.

    Well, there are some points in the game where you can save and screw yourself. It may only be one point. I forget, as it's been many years since I've played.

    There's at least two, I can tell you for sure. I don't really want to speak about it any further.

    I see you're still wearing those scars.

    So given the nature of this thread, does winning Warcraft 3 matches as the nightelves with your buildings unrooted count as creativity? :P

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Preacher wrote: »
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Yeah, when they told me to go to the three planets I did two, then the event with the stuff and the explosions and the spoilers and the whatever, and then I went back and did the "ice planet."

    See I went there first just to check things out, and thought while I was stuck on that battle "maybe I came here too soon."

    How anyone had problems with the boss is beyond me. I crushed [it] with ease.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The final boss in Tekken 5
    one hit kill attack.
    You swipe, he teleports back a meter and blasts it.
    Sometimes twice if you're lucky enough to dodge the first one.


    Also, just about any level in Crysis on Delta Difficulty.


    Once I jokingly rushed to the GPS unit to shut it down, forgetting it saves when you complete objectives.

    So there I was, sorrounded by 25 angry koreans and low on suit power, totally in the open.

    That was when I used my first flashbang then grenade combo, among other fancy tricks. I halved them, then agian, then again.

    Then I got impatient and started rushing the leftovers whenever they reloaded.

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