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Universal health care doesn't make sense. Poor people are not worth repairing, you just get new ones.
God dammit Defender...
You ever play Starcraft, boy? What happens when you need more tanks for a final push and you're outta minerals and you can just barely afford the tanks, but you're at your supply limit and can't afford the tanks AND the extra depots? It's economics.
So all I'm saying is that the economy should repair the things that are valuable to the economy.
i cannot figure if this is a fakepost
I think that you spend too much effort in general on that endeavor. Just take it at face value, it's more fun that way.
I just realized that if I go to college in Vancouver I won't be voting.
weeeird
Also Glassbooth tells me I'm a Kucinich man, although in reality I think I support Richardson more. That dude could do wonders for our foreign affairs.
Civil unions huh? That sounds fair. It's like a separate kind of union that's got a different name than marriage, but it still grants everyone the same equal rights.
A separate kind of union, but the same equal rights.
Separate kind, but equal rights.
Separate, but equal.
Heeeyyyy, wait a minute, this sounds kinda familiar.
Umm, no actually see I was saying legally, in the eyes of the government they should be exactly 100% the same. I'm saying that in regards to the religious ceremony that is marriage, churches have the right to deny gays that, if they are so inclined. Because the church is a private organization, see.
It's the same reason why I feel the KKK has a right to hate speech, even though I hate them for it.
I havem't seen any of it yet... although to be fair I don't really pay attention to politics. I'm a firm independant Centrist but I think a libertarian would be a good change. We need to break that third-party barrier
and when the fuck was the last time America got attacked by anybody
Wait have you seriously not heard enough "9/11" bullshit by this point? WHAT HAPPEN OT NEVAR 4GET SHOE???/?
all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
There's the side of me that is Christian-influenced that wants to take care of the poor, though. Of course, I do that with my own money and in my own way...I guess I'd like to see the rich give to the poor, and it's hard to reconcile this idea. Should it be 100% voluntary? Should it be mandated in the form of taxes which do not benefit the people who pay the bulk of the money into the system? It's hard to reconcile complete freedom with Christian ideals, since there's the feeling that the rich owe it to God to help the poor out. And forget whether you believe in a literal god or not, that's not the point.
and when the fuck was the last time America got attacked by anybody
Wait have you seriously not heard enough "9/11" bullshit by this point? WHAT HAPPEN OT NEVAR 4GET SHOE???/?
all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
You asked when the last time we were attacked was, and I told you. What do you want now?
I also guarantee you that if we did not have a strong army at pretty much any hypothetical point in time, we'd get attacked pretty much instantly. And that's not just us, that's pretty much anybody in arm's reach of someone who wants more than they have.
and when the fuck was the last time America got attacked by anybody
Wait have you seriously not heard enough "9/11" bullshit by this point? WHAT HAPPEN OT NEVAR 4GET SHOE???/?
all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
You asked when the last time we were attacked was, and I told you. What do you want now?
I also guarantee you that if we did not have a strong army at pretty much any hypothetical point in time, we'd get attacked pretty much instantly. And that's not just us, that's pretty much anybody in arm's reach of someone who wants more than they have.
I meant an actual military strike
And if Clinton was so hard on the military why weren't we attacked by any military forces during his term?
Has anyone else been having trouble with The Onion's RSS feed, lately? For a few weeks all I got was sports updates, and now I'm getting a bunch of political ones. This wouldn't be so bad but some of them are over a year old.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
Supposedly, Kucinich once had a hit put out on him by the mafia for not caving to big business. That's kinda spiffy.
Yeah he also saw a UFO once and is likely a virgin. The dude is a fucking imbecile. You'd think even if you really did believe in UFOs you'd know enough to keep it to yourself when you are a public figure.
The guy is a douche and I am tempted to throw a brick through his office window every day I drive by it.
all the libertarians i've met are of the opinion that taxes are the way the government (they always type it gov't for some fucking insane reason) oppress the rich
Oh. Um. OK. I'm not a libertarian, which you may have noticed by...well, by my spelling, if nothing else.
There's some validity to the argument; the government takes more money away from people who earn more money and uses that money to give free things to people who earn less money. Graduated income does mean that you get increasingly "oppressive" taxation as you earn more money.
As someone born into the upper class (that is, both of my parents went to college and I went to college and so on), I don't feel "oppressed" by the taxes that I have to pay, but I do recognize that a lot of the things that my taxes fund are things that I do not use. I believe that the reason that I don't mind it is because of my Christian-influenced morality, but I could understand someone else feeling like "why should I pay your medical bills?"
EDIT: Also, I never said that taxes were slavery, but they do reduce your freedom in that you have less choice over what happens to the money you earn; some of the money is taken away from you and spent according to other people's desires...that's pretty clearly removing some of your economic freedom and giving it to the government.
There's the side of me that is Christian-influenced that wants to take care of the poor, though. Of course, I do that with my own money and in my own way...I guess I'd like to see the rich give to the poor, and it's hard to reconcile this idea. Should it be 100% voluntary? Should it be mandated in the form of taxes which do not benefit the people who pay the bulk of the money into the system? It's hard to reconcile complete freedom with Christian ideals, since there's the feeling that the rich owe it to God to help the poor out. And forget whether you believe in a literal god or not, that's not the point.
True. That's one of the arguments of libertarians that I disagree with. Their basic idea is that America is one of the most generous nations ever. While this is true, I don't think that this country would give nearly as much to charities if there weren't tax incentives that go along with it.
This is one of the things that bug me the most about 'povery'. In the United States there is a level of income that is considered poverty. But you know what... even in the US, people who live below poverty level have luxuries like TV's, DVD players, cars, etc.
People also complain about kids. "Oh we have to have two jobs to make do. We can't be expected to raise our own kids when we have to work two jobs each to raise them"
BAH! There is a minimum level of standard that you need to provide for a family: Housing, food, and basic transportation. That's it. Other things like games, TV's, SUV's, expensive cars, etc. are luxuries. A family can have one person working and be able to live just fine... you just don't get the other luxuries. People seem to think that DVD players and Xboxes are rights, not privileges. This is so false it isn't even funny.
WHy would it be anarchy? Keep in mine while you're forming this argument that I don't subscribe 100% to all libertarian ideals.
I don't think that using the free market as regulation would be a big deal. If someone provided a shitty product, people won't buy it. If there's a group of people jacking up the prices on something (let's say milk) then there WILL be someone who comes in and sells it much cheaper who will get bigger, be able to make more, etc... thus breaking up the little price-fixing conglomerate.
You should read the book Freehold, teefs. I like how they have leaders. Basically it's this:
If you want to be a leader (Citizen is their official title) that's fine. But we're going to take all your money before you do.
and when the fuck was the last time America got attacked by anybody
Wait have you seriously not heard enough "9/11" bullshit by this point? WHAT HAPPEN OT NEVAR 4GET SHOE???/?
all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
You asked when the last time we were attacked was, and I told you. What do you want now?
I also guarantee you that if we did not have a strong army at pretty much any hypothetical point in time, we'd get attacked pretty much instantly. And that's not just us, that's pretty much anybody in arm's reach of someone who wants more than they have.
I meant an actual military strike
And if Clinton was so hard on the military why weren't we attacked by any military forces during his term?
Clinton did not completely disarm the nation, and we were attacked very shortly after his term ended.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
Shoe, when was the last time we were attacked by a military force?
and when the fuck was the last time America got attacked by anybody
Wait have you seriously not heard enough "9/11" bullshit by this point? WHAT HAPPEN OT NEVAR 4GET SHOE???/?
all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
You asked when the last time we were attacked was, and I told you. What do you want now?
I also guarantee you that if we did not have a strong army at pretty much any hypothetical point in time, we'd get attacked pretty much instantly. And that's not just us, that's pretty much anybody in arm's reach of someone who wants more than they have.
I meant an actual military strike
And if Clinton was so hard on the military why weren't we attacked by any military forces during his term?
Clinton did not completely disarm the nation, and we were attacked very shortly after his term ended.
but I already mentioned that
a. we were not attacked by a military force
and b. there were constant warnings of terrorist activity by al qaeda, specifically warnings of plans to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. these warnings were not acted upon at all.
Cogliostro: The problem in your thinking is, we've already seen what happens when the free market gets to run wild in America. It's not purely theoretical. It happened.
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why would that annoy you
5 is where it's at
that he would end with "What are they to say , now"
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well i mean the song is called
I think that you spend too much effort in general on that endeavor. Just take it at face value, it's more fun that way.
weeeird
Also Glassbooth tells me I'm a Kucinich man, although in reality I think I support Richardson more. That dude could do wonders for our foreign affairs.
Umm, no actually see I was saying legally, in the eyes of the government they should be exactly 100% the same. I'm saying that in regards to the religious ceremony that is marriage, churches have the right to deny gays that, if they are so inclined. Because the church is a private organization, see.
It's the same reason why I feel the KKK has a right to hate speech, even though I hate them for it.
I bet this will come up in the elections. "Don't vote for him, his names are our enemy!"
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("months at a time" duration is made up)
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all the military spending in the world couldnt have prevented that
What could have was all that counter terrorism money Clinton approved combined with a post Clinton administration that actually paid attention to the multiple warnings about 9-11
There's the side of me that is Christian-influenced that wants to take care of the poor, though. Of course, I do that with my own money and in my own way...I guess I'd like to see the rich give to the poor, and it's hard to reconcile this idea. Should it be 100% voluntary? Should it be mandated in the form of taxes which do not benefit the people who pay the bulk of the money into the system? It's hard to reconcile complete freedom with Christian ideals, since there's the feeling that the rich owe it to God to help the poor out. And forget whether you believe in a literal god or not, that's not the point.
You asked when the last time we were attacked was, and I told you. What do you want now?
I also guarantee you that if we did not have a strong army at pretty much any hypothetical point in time, we'd get attacked pretty much instantly. And that's not just us, that's pretty much anybody in arm's reach of someone who wants more than they have.
Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
I meant an actual military strike
And if Clinton was so hard on the military why weren't we attacked by any military forces during his term?
Yeah he also saw a UFO once and is likely a virgin. The dude is a fucking imbecile. You'd think even if you really did believe in UFOs you'd know enough to keep it to yourself when you are a public figure.
The guy is a douche and I am tempted to throw a brick through his office window every day I drive by it.
the rich think they're being opressed
oh that's rich
Edit: oh shit I totally didn't catch the pun until after I made the post
Oh. Um. OK. I'm not a libertarian, which you may have noticed by...well, by my spelling, if nothing else.
There's some validity to the argument; the government takes more money away from people who earn more money and uses that money to give free things to people who earn less money. Graduated income does mean that you get increasingly "oppressive" taxation as you earn more money.
As someone born into the upper class (that is, both of my parents went to college and I went to college and so on), I don't feel "oppressed" by the taxes that I have to pay, but I do recognize that a lot of the things that my taxes fund are things that I do not use. I believe that the reason that I don't mind it is because of my Christian-influenced morality, but I could understand someone else feeling like "why should I pay your medical bills?"
EDIT: Also, I never said that taxes were slavery, but they do reduce your freedom in that you have less choice over what happens to the money you earn; some of the money is taken away from you and spent according to other people's desires...that's pretty clearly removing some of your economic freedom and giving it to the government.
True. That's one of the arguments of libertarians that I disagree with. Their basic idea is that America is one of the most generous nations ever. While this is true, I don't think that this country would give nearly as much to charities if there weren't tax incentives that go along with it.
This is one of the things that bug me the most about 'povery'. In the United States there is a level of income that is considered poverty. But you know what... even in the US, people who live below poverty level have luxuries like TV's, DVD players, cars, etc.
People also complain about kids. "Oh we have to have two jobs to make do. We can't be expected to raise our own kids when we have to work two jobs each to raise them"
BAH! There is a minimum level of standard that you need to provide for a family: Housing, food, and basic transportation. That's it. Other things like games, TV's, SUV's, expensive cars, etc. are luxuries. A family can have one person working and be able to live just fine... you just don't get the other luxuries. People seem to think that DVD players and Xboxes are rights, not privileges. This is so false it isn't even funny.
WHy would it be anarchy? Keep in mine while you're forming this argument that I don't subscribe 100% to all libertarian ideals.
I don't think that using the free market as regulation would be a big deal. If someone provided a shitty product, people won't buy it. If there's a group of people jacking up the prices on something (let's say milk) then there WILL be someone who comes in and sells it much cheaper who will get bigger, be able to make more, etc... thus breaking up the little price-fixing conglomerate.
You should read the book Freehold, teefs. I like how they have leaders. Basically it's this:
If you want to be a leader (Citizen is their official title) that's fine. But we're going to take all your money before you do.
The Apocalypse Has Never Been More Fun
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_are_americas_rich
EDIT: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/report_nation_s_wealthy_cruelly
Clinton did not completely disarm the nation, and we were attacked very shortly after his term ended.
it's kind of fuzzy but I seem to recall something about infamy
but I already mentioned that
a. we were not attacked by a military force
and b. there were constant warnings of terrorist activity by al qaeda, specifically warnings of plans to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. these warnings were not acted upon at all.
really.
And it was not good.