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Okay, let me preface this by saying I have quit WoW twice now. First time was after BC came out. I hated playing my 60 rogue (so boring in groups) so I started a new character. A priest that I played for a month before realizing that I did not want to do 20-60 again, and since I knew it wouldn't be fun for me, I quit. A few months later I started up again with a friend on a dif. server. We both quit again after realizing we just did not feel like doing the 20-60 grind again.
I just heard about the changes to the lengh of the grind. I'm not afraid of a little challenge and time investment, I just don't want to put in the same amount of time it used to take to level a character that it used to. I just don't have that kind of time or urge to do so. So would it be worth it to pick up the habit again?
Probably not. It's only thirty percent faster, and the grind is now 20-70. Also, the entire game is based around grinding. Once you're 70 you'll be grinding instances/battlegrounds for gear. Grinding up professions, rep, gold to buy an epic mount... If you found the prospect of grinding 20-60 daunting WoW is probably just not for you.
Probably not. It's only thirty percent faster, and the grind is now 20-70. Also, the entire game is based around grinding. Once you're 70 you'll be grinding instances/battlegrounds for gear. Grinding up professions, rep, gold to buy an epic mount... If you found the prospect of grinding 20-60 daunting WoW is probably just not for you.
I have no problem with the post-60 grind, 'cause I've never done it. It's just I've already done 1-60. The prospect of doing it all over again just doesn't seem that fun. Though 30% might just be fast enough to convince me to do it...
If you've only done one 60, just start a character on the opposite faction? Eventually the zones match up, but there's a fair bit of difference in many of the specific parts of zones to quest in and the lore is different.
Probably not. It's only thirty percent faster, ...
*BUZZ!* Wrong!
It's about twice as fast now. You need 35% less experience, and you get 35% more experience from doing stuff. Also, since you haven't really done any of the BC content you will have quite a bit of fun. 60-70 is great the first time through.
(100%x1.35)/(.65) = 207.5%
Old Grind:New Grind::Walking:Epic Mounts
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"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
What sucks is it really seems to slow down now after 60, cause pre 60 is so awesome.
I'm having a hard time getting into my 66 warlock, cause just running quests in nagrand all day long, seems like it's not doing shit for me. And let see my last set was
30/30/30 kill then
30/30/30 kill then
1elite/1elite/1elite - So I got 9 quest turn ins, and ground 180+ mobs (random adds that came by, not to mention I also did some of the elemental quest chain at the same time) .. and still.. that wasn't a huge chunk of my rested experience bar.
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Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
I actually enjoyed Zangarmarsh, which a lot of people hate for some reason. I can't fucking stand HFP though
Apparently though, you're not supposed to the cenarion quests till you've ground the shit out of underbog/sp for maximum faction ease? IF so I'm screwed, on my WL anyway.
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Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
If you have done the 20 - 60 grind before and don't want to think about it. Look up Jame's leveling guide, its been retuned for the new changes and i am following it on my pally, its ace.
There's ALOT of content to get you from 20-60 more than most people think, try taking in some of the other races starting areas, if you were an Orc before, try going through trisfall and silverpine.
To be perfectly honest, I've quit WoW twice, once at 60 and again at 70 after going through "endgame". If you didn't like it before, you still won't like it now.
It's got a fresh coat of paint, but it's still the same old tired game. Some people pretend to only do PvP, but if instanced PvP is your thing then maybe that will keep you playing eventually.
Not to hijack a thread, but I'm pretty interested in this as well. I haven't played WoW in about a year, since before BC came out. I'm probably going to try out the free 10-day pass, but what I'm most interested in is how to get a feel for all the balance changes? What are Pallies and Druids like in PVP? And what are the general thoughts on class balance in PVP? I'm kind of intrigued by the arena, how fun is that type of PVP? (especially on a PVE server, the place I'm most likely to roll =[ )
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"Friends are just enemies in reverse."
- Gary Busey A Glass, Darkly
Wow is good until you hit endgame. Then it's either raid or pvp. Sprinkle on a shitfuckton of rep grinding if you want to "beat" the game, but don't worry because you will never get the best gear before the expansion comes out and then you will lose all of that when you pickup expansion greens.
If you have not played BC yet you owe it to yourself to check it out. It is a fantastic expansion on the game, and does add a lot of nice stuff. The nicer stuff costs 6,000 gold to get... but it is there.
I'm going to interject and say that you don't need to grind the end game, because you don't need that gear. Have fun, do instances with friends, play some arena or mess around with crafting. Don't bother with rep grinding or PvP grinding or PvE grinding if you don't want to, do what you enjoy doing.
Check out the PA guy's comments from the past few days. He is very good at explaining why Wow is different then it used to be. I just came back to WoW from before the Burning Crusade, and the arena is my new lifeblood. I am constantly thinking about how to make good areana team combinations. I also can't commit big chunks of time for raiding, but fortunately that isn't really an issue anymore. Here are a few things casual players returning to the game can look forward to:
The reduced exp to level from 20-60
The increased quest experience from 20-60
The improved gear dropping from bosses from 20-60 (lots of +spell damage stuff
If you are really short on time you can play 30% of games on an arena team. Your team only needs 10 games to get points for the week. That means in any week you can get points by playing 3 games (this could take 15 minutes if you are doing 3v3 or 5v5)
The Arena in general. It is SUPER fun, and you get matched up to similarily skilled players because it's a ladder!
The new daily dungeon and heroic quests make it a LOT easier to get groups for some of those dungeons you need when you just hit 70
The added content such as the goblin city Mudsprocket (lvl 40ish?) - haven't even checked this one out yet
The fact that you can now buy season 1 pvp gear for honor means that new 70's can quickly become competitive doing solo AV's
PVE gear is now quite a bit different from PVP gear because it doesn't have resilience. This means that people who run raids all day and night can no longer own people in the arena! I always hated how you HAD to spent a ton of time raiding getting the gear to be able to PVP, NO LONGER!
The daily PVP quest makes it so that fans of PVP can slowly but surely make some funds doing a different battleground each day.
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I'm going to interject and say that you don't need to grind the end game, because you don't need that gear. Have fun, do instances with friends, play some arena or mess around with crafting. Don't bother with rep grinding or PvP grinding or PvE grinding if you don't want to, do what you enjoy doing.
Well, there needs to be a point to the endgame beyond simply logging on and wandering around. Back before BC, there seriously was nothing else to do in pve besides raids, or the totally retarded rep grinds. Goals make the game go 'round.
If there aren't people you want to play with, I wouldn't suggest coming back. Yes, there are some cool things, but there are cool things in other, newer games too. If I didn't want to play with the people I play with, I'd rather be playing some of the console stuff I have built up.
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Is it worth it to come back?
Short answer, yes
Long answer, no, with a but.
This close to the end of Burning Crusade as a viable content package, its really not worth it. Its not goin to take you from now to Wrath of the Lich King to level to 70, and chances are that if you go 1-70, you'll only have a few months to experience the content at 70. So I would suggest to you that if this is you, to wait a few months, then come back, level to 70 just before Wrath of the Lich King, and jump into Northrend with everyone else.
I'm going to interject and say that you don't need to grind the end game, because you don't need that gear. Have fun, do instances with friends, play some arena or mess around with crafting. Don't bother with rep grinding or PvP grinding or PvE grinding if you don't want to, do what you enjoy doing.
Well, there needs to be a point to the endgame beyond simply logging on and wandering around. Back before BC, there seriously was nothing else to do in pve besides raids, or the totally retarded rep grinds. Goals make the game go 'round.
I totally agree, and I was afraid I might have come off that way. But you don't need to play every night, and obtain Tier 6/Season 3 gear. If you have friends, just play casually with them. Do some instances, maybe some arena and battlegrounds, and even a raid if you have enough people. I think if you don't have the "must hit 70 ASAP, must have T6 ASAP" mentality the endgame can be slightly less of a grind.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
I'm not currently playing with any friends other than helping my friend's mage with elite quests every now and then, but I find that going along for instance runs and heroics is tremendous amount of fun, even with total strangers. That and casual PvP every now and then pretty much sums up my WoW experience at the moment, and I find that it's money well spent. Sure, the best gear I'll ever get my hands on is the Season 1 and Badge gear, but to do what I'm doing with the game at the moment I find that to be enough. And you know what, I'm actually having fun with the game this way, so it's not impossible to enjoy yourself even if you're not raiding Black Temple or doing arenas for the Season 3 gear.
Yeah, the best times I had in WoW were never with my real life friends, who were always ahead or behind me, but with people I met during runs that turned out to be pretty cool. And I agree with ReVerse that I had a lot of fun just running dungeons and that no matter how many times I did a dungeon I always had fun on a good run.
A somewhat experienced player should be able to reach 40 in 3 days /played, 60 in 6 days /played, 70 in 10 days /played (With a good grind class, hunter, rogue, warlock, druid are the fastest as far as I know, paladins seem still the slowest). The increased experience 30-60 helps not only in saving huge amounts of time (and new quests), but more importantly, doesn't make it seem so much like a grind. Levelling every 3 hours is hugely different in feeling from levelling every 5-6.
It also depends when you quit. If you quit before TBC, you can roll a new race (1st 20 levels in a new area), hit the new quests in dustwallow by 32 ish to 40 or so, and then select which quests / instances to do till 58 (as opposed to previous, when you had to do pretty much everything. My paladin completely skipped Un'goro, Azhara, Silithus, Winterspring, Felwood, EPL, and only did 5 quests in WPL before dinging 58).
If you level on the rested xp, it's even more amazing. If you have a pre-TBC toon, he'll have 1.5 levels of rested on him, and you accumulate with about 0.3/day. Means that if you only play on weekends, levels from 30-60 will be as fast as 2 hours each.
Has much changed about the basic game though? No. Quality of players fluxuates drasticly, and finding a good group for an instance can still suck, at any level. DPS classes have it especially hard, as it seems they outnumber healers about 5:1 and tanks 10:1 for instance runs (on my server), especially past 50 or so (when tanking/healing offspec becomes nontrivial). It's still a huge glorified grind, that's the nature of the game. You set a goal, you work towards it, you are happy when you complete it. Getting epic gear has become significantly easier through badges, nerfed heroics, and PvP, but you still got to work for it.
My druid went 23-70 in 2.3. I had 5 days, 2 hours /played at 60. Early on I used a lot of rested xp, but by level 40 or so it was gone, and I never really let it build back up again. You won't run out of quests to do in the 40s the way you did before; in fact, I found myself abandoning perfectly good quests in Arathi because I outleveled them. The quest reward increase is fantastic; in the high 40s and 50s, even most of the "go here and talk to a dude" quests give you a thousand or more experience.
It's still a grind, but it's unquestionably easier to catch up to established "endgame" players than it's ever been. Between PvP, badge loot, craftables and 10 man instances you can gear up a very capable character in (comparatively) little time.
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
If your account has been active for more than 90 days, find a friend (or a random person) who is currently playing WoW and ask them to send you a Scroll of Resurrection (they only need to know your character name and realm). This is basically just an invitation to you to reactivate your account, and if you then reactivate your account and pay for a month's subscription, the friend who invited you gets one free month of play added to THEIR account.
If you have a group of friends who want to reactivate their accounts and one friend with an active account, you can theoretically chain the Scrolls of Resurrection. So that each person gets a free month (except the last person who can't find anyone to send a scroll to).
....
On that note, I'd say it's worth playing WoW again if you enjoyed the game at all. There have been lots of changes since before BC, and even since right after BC was released. Once you get to 70 it's REALLY EASY to gear up. The PVP gear in itself is good enough to raid with, and you can get battleground gear on your own, or you can get arena gear if you make a team and play 10 games a week (about 1-2 hours of PVP). Even if you're bad you can still get at least 400 points a week, and you could get an epic (from the latest season) in just 3 weeks. As far as PVE gear goes, most guilds are clearing Kara in just a few hours now, and that gives you more than 20 badges that you can spend on epics, PLUS each boss drops epics, and if you're a new 70 you will probably not have any competition for the items you need. My guild ran a new warrior through Karazhan and on his first trip he ended up with 4-6 pieces of great epic tanking gear.
I've really been on the fence about this for a while now. I haven't played in over a year before BC came out. I've been talking to some kids i know at school about it in free periods, and i kind of want to play again. My computer doesn't work though, so in order to play i would have to buy a new HD. Instead of fixing my PC i decided to buy a 360 back in November, and i enjoy it, but it isn't the same. I know there has been talk of MMOGs coming to the 360 like Conan and what not, so is it worth waiting for those to come out, or put off fixing my PC until games like WAR come out, or should i give WoW another shot? Its like meth, you just cant kick it.
I'm really starting to get bored of WoW now, mainly due to the fact that PvP isn't what it was. Not to say that PvP is the only thing to do now but content wise there's not much else except wait for raids or level an alt.
I'm at the point were I have almost full arena gear Merc/veng on three characters so arena is kinda lame. I still like to raid but logging on to find nothing to do at all is pushing me to the point of just selling the account off. My battlegroup is part of the many that think AV is completely Horde controlled and don't even bother to change tactics or queue up for. Gladiator for honor isn't helping that situation at all, since now you get people in full greens getting slaughtered in the BG's or still AFK botting even after Blizzard started acting upon them.
This is mostly from an Alliance perspective but I do play Horde, similar situation on Horde is I have nothing to do but raid or PvP. I guess if you haven't experienced BC you should try it out but the endgame for me at least is crap. I'm not really a completionist and don't care about exaulted with everything, fishing/cooking, ect. I guess what I want out of this game is some good world PvP again, which I already know I'm not going to get
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I have no problem with the post-60 grind, 'cause I've never done it. It's just I've already done 1-60. The prospect of doing it all over again just doesn't seem that fun. Though 30% might just be fast enough to convince me to do it...
*BUZZ!* Wrong!
It's about twice as fast now. You need 35% less experience, and you get 35% more experience from doing stuff. Also, since you haven't really done any of the BC content you will have quite a bit of fun. 60-70 is great the first time through.
(100%x1.35)/(.65) = 207.5%
Old Grind:New Grind::Walking:Epic Mounts
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
In one night I made 60. 4 levels.
I was amazed.
I'm having a hard time getting into my 66 warlock, cause just running quests in nagrand all day long, seems like it's not doing shit for me. And let see my last set was
30/30/30 kill then
30/30/30 kill then
1elite/1elite/1elite - So I got 9 quest turn ins, and ground 180+ mobs (random adds that came by, not to mention I also did some of the elemental quest chain at the same time) .. and still.. that wasn't a huge chunk of my rested experience bar.
However my first hour in zanga lead me to about 15-16 quests. That's retarded.
Apparently though, you're not supposed to the cenarion quests till you've ground the shit out of underbog/sp for maximum faction ease? IF so I'm screwed, on my WL anyway.
I mean there were at least 10 quests to go find mushrooms
when the entire zone is just a bunch of mushrooms
There's ALOT of content to get you from 20-60 more than most people think, try taking in some of the other races starting areas, if you were an Orc before, try going through trisfall and silverpine.
The game is what you make of it.
here is wisdom
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Plus their new content is taking ages these days.
It's got a fresh coat of paint, but it's still the same old tired game. Some people pretend to only do PvP, but if instanced PvP is your thing then maybe that will keep you playing eventually.
- Gary Busey
A Glass, Darkly
If you have not played BC yet you owe it to yourself to check it out. It is a fantastic expansion on the game, and does add a lot of nice stuff. The nicer stuff costs 6,000 gold to get... but it is there.
It's actually only 30-60.
Well, there needs to be a point to the endgame beyond simply logging on and wandering around. Back before BC, there seriously was nothing else to do in pve besides raids, or the totally retarded rep grinds. Goals make the game go 'round.
Short answer, yes
Long answer, no, with a but.
This close to the end of Burning Crusade as a viable content package, its really not worth it. Its not goin to take you from now to Wrath of the Lich King to level to 70, and chances are that if you go 1-70, you'll only have a few months to experience the content at 70. So I would suggest to you that if this is you, to wait a few months, then come back, level to 70 just before Wrath of the Lich King, and jump into Northrend with everyone else.
I totally agree, and I was afraid I might have come off that way. But you don't need to play every night, and obtain Tier 6/Season 3 gear. If you have friends, just play casually with them. Do some instances, maybe some arena and battlegrounds, and even a raid if you have enough people. I think if you don't have the "must hit 70 ASAP, must have T6 ASAP" mentality the endgame can be slightly less of a grind.
Grinding is still as slow as ever...
But QUESTING is faster now...
It also depends when you quit. If you quit before TBC, you can roll a new race (1st 20 levels in a new area), hit the new quests in dustwallow by 32 ish to 40 or so, and then select which quests / instances to do till 58 (as opposed to previous, when you had to do pretty much everything. My paladin completely skipped Un'goro, Azhara, Silithus, Winterspring, Felwood, EPL, and only did 5 quests in WPL before dinging 58).
If you level on the rested xp, it's even more amazing. If you have a pre-TBC toon, he'll have 1.5 levels of rested on him, and you accumulate with about 0.3/day. Means that if you only play on weekends, levels from 30-60 will be as fast as 2 hours each.
Has much changed about the basic game though? No. Quality of players fluxuates drasticly, and finding a good group for an instance can still suck, at any level. DPS classes have it especially hard, as it seems they outnumber healers about 5:1 and tanks 10:1 for instance runs (on my server), especially past 50 or so (when tanking/healing offspec becomes nontrivial). It's still a huge glorified grind, that's the nature of the game. You set a goal, you work towards it, you are happy when you complete it. Getting epic gear has become significantly easier through badges, nerfed heroics, and PvP, but you still got to work for it.
My druid went 23-70 in 2.3. I had 5 days, 2 hours /played at 60. Early on I used a lot of rested xp, but by level 40 or so it was gone, and I never really let it build back up again. You won't run out of quests to do in the 40s the way you did before; in fact, I found myself abandoning perfectly good quests in Arathi because I outleveled them. The quest reward increase is fantastic; in the high 40s and 50s, even most of the "go here and talk to a dude" quests give you a thousand or more experience.
It's still a grind, but it's unquestionably easier to catch up to established "endgame" players than it's ever been. Between PvP, badge loot, craftables and 10 man instances you can gear up a very capable character in (comparatively) little time.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
If you have a group of friends who want to reactivate their accounts and one friend with an active account, you can theoretically chain the Scrolls of Resurrection. So that each person gets a free month (except the last person who can't find anyone to send a scroll to).
....
On that note, I'd say it's worth playing WoW again if you enjoyed the game at all. There have been lots of changes since before BC, and even since right after BC was released. Once you get to 70 it's REALLY EASY to gear up. The PVP gear in itself is good enough to raid with, and you can get battleground gear on your own, or you can get arena gear if you make a team and play 10 games a week (about 1-2 hours of PVP). Even if you're bad you can still get at least 400 points a week, and you could get an epic (from the latest season) in just 3 weeks. As far as PVE gear goes, most guilds are clearing Kara in just a few hours now, and that gives you more than 20 badges that you can spend on epics, PLUS each boss drops epics, and if you're a new 70 you will probably not have any competition for the items you need. My guild ran a new warrior through Karazhan and on his first trip he ended up with 4-6 pieces of great epic tanking gear.
I'm at the point were I have almost full arena gear Merc/veng on three characters so arena is kinda lame. I still like to raid but logging on to find nothing to do at all is pushing me to the point of just selling the account off. My battlegroup is part of the many that think AV is completely Horde controlled and don't even bother to change tactics or queue up for. Gladiator for honor isn't helping that situation at all, since now you get people in full greens getting slaughtered in the BG's or still AFK botting even after Blizzard started acting upon them.
This is mostly from an Alliance perspective but I do play Horde, similar situation on Horde is I have nothing to do but raid or PvP. I guess if you haven't experienced BC you should try it out but the endgame for me at least is crap. I'm not really a completionist and don't care about exaulted with everything, fishing/cooking, ect. I guess what I want out of this game is some good world PvP again, which I already know I'm not going to get