Why You May Need A Passport To Travel WITHIN The US
AngelHedgie
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No, that's not hyperbole. (I wish it was.) DHS has announced the finalization of RealID. If you live in a state that's said NO to RealID, this means that your state ID will no longer be enough for you to board an airplane of any kind.
Yep, that's right - citizens of the US will be FORCED to get passports to travel domestically.
I'm starting to wonder if this push is due to the fact that Chertoff has realized that he's not going to be around in a year, and that the chances that his successor may not be nearly as motivated to support RealID are pretty high. If that's the case, it would explain why he's begun pushing the matter hard.
Yep, that's right - citizens of the US will be FORCED to get passports to travel domestically.
I'm starting to wonder if this push is due to the fact that Chertoff has realized that he's not going to be around in a year, and that the chances that his successor may not be nearly as motivated to support RealID are pretty high. If that's the case, it would explain why he's begun pushing the matter hard.
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Yes. We must combat the threat of illegal immigrants taking airplanes. Or terrorists going to the DMV. Shit, after waiting in line they'd probably kill themselves quietly, in a dark room.
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Yep. I'm a resident of one. Needless to say, I'm a tad...pissed.
Well, the idea is to force the non-compliant states into compliance. Somehow, this is going to backfire.
Probably because you're not affected by this.
Really? Love to have a REAL ID?
Nobody but the least-interesting paranoid people would LOVE to have one of these things. Jerkoff.
Yeah, in the sense that I have a current passport that will be valid until 2017.
New Hampshire is one of the states that isn't cooperating.
EDIT: And as for 'too big to be killed', AngelHedgie, if it got too far, and the states were motivated enough, 38 states is (barely) enough to make a Constitutional amendment stick in the exact opposite direction. (All the same, though, it's a good thing I was thinking of getting a passport anyway.)
In other words, my outrage is tepid.
But Jeff, this will mar the otherwise quick and convenient task of boarding an airplane.
Also, I have a passport that won't expire for a really long time. Prior to it being required, I still used it as my preferred type of ID when going to Canada, since it typically got me waved through customs instead of checked. I have not tried it on domestic flights, but I don't see what the big issue is, aside from the one-time inconvenience of getting a passport.
Hell, it may even mildly encourage people to travel outside of the US in the long run.
Did I ever mention how I was held up in an airport and wound up missing an important meeting because I had the gall to place my notebook atop my laptop before I sent them through the scanner?
Oh, airport security, you so crazy.
Well, passports are sort of expensive, but I'm guessing that if you can afford a couple grand for a family vacation, you can afford to drop a few hundred bucks as a one-time fee for passports.
The backlog for processing applications was in the neighborhood of 9 weeks during the summer. I was relieved to find mine doesn't expire until 2012.
Luckily my fear of flying keeps me grounded. The last time I flew I sat next to a.. well.. big fat Jesus-lovin' woman. As we hit turbulance I started hyperventilating, at which point she grasped my hand and asked if I needed the power of Jesus to help me. I ended up praying with her for about 35 minutes until we landed. The power of the Almighty manifests itself in mysstterrrriousssss wayyyyys.
It's kinda useless.
I'm actually more concerned with the cost from a budget perspective. Here in Texas, the cost estimate I heard a year ago was about $230 million to implement. Sometime last spring that may have been revised as low as $120 million but I don't remember those numbers seeming too trustworthy. I'll have to check if the cost reductions listed in the articles are those same ones from last year or new, but if not, that's a hefty bill to foot, when the last Federal Funding number I heard was $40 million, for all 50 states.
I wonder how those 17 objecting states will fare when every resident is forced to get a passport just to travel, where the residents of all the others will just go in for a new license like they normally do and don't notice much difference.
It probably gives a lot of money through a no-bid contract to a friend of the Bush administration. Sort of like the educational firm that is involved in NCLB.
Thats just kooky, moonbat paranoia talking though.
Nothing; it's stupid. Just like keeping people from bringing bottled water on airplanes - it makes them look like they are doing something without actually having to do anything.
In reality, jack shit.
For a week until people figure out how to spoof it easily, which is less than the time it will take for the average counter-worker to be able to identify them properly.
I think it's a good idea, but not practical to implement.
This is an attempt to basically re-certify everyone, "for reals," and do so with a highly secure card.
Also, I dont see that this is a big deal. You need a passport for domestic flights in the uk. What's the problem?
Holy hell on a triscuit. I swear- in the future, we'll be issued "travel safe" onesies, not allowed any portable items, and be given cold water enimas before boarding a fucking plane in this country. AND BAD THINGS WILL STILL HAPPEN.
I really wish I could just black out the next 12 months. Seriously.
A) It previously wasn't required in the US, any valid government-issued ID (like a driver's license) would do.
About the same that all those other post 9/11 rules accomplish. Nothing.
The US is also a whooooole lot bigger than the UK, and doesn't really have a lot of other options for long-distance travel between cities in different states (besides cars.) Rail isn't available a lot of the time and isn't practical when it is available. A car trip between, say, New York and Los Angeles would have to cover about 2,800 miles and take at least a couple days, while a flight takes about 6 hours.
After all the taxes and "security fees" are tacked on, a passport costs about $160, as of a year ago.
Mine was under $100, including the photo I bought seperately.
Do the prices vary by state, or something?
No idea. I got mine at the Post Office, so I would think it was done entirely by the federal government. Did you pay extra to have yours expedited? That could be.
Man, I live in Nebraska
to get a non-driving regular State ID I had to supply my birth certificate and another form of address
to get my birth certificate, I have to take my mom down the the city offices.
After my mom dies, if I lose my birth certificate, it's going to be near impossible to get any form of ID.
Also, a majority of states barring this should kill it pretty well. I'm a resident of my state, not of my country.