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USPS Fraud (NOT how to do it)
YamiNoSenshiA point called ZIn the complex planeRegistered Userregular
In the US Postal Service, if you want to send somebody a letter, you put their address in the "from" field, but a bogus address on the "to" field, and drop it in a post box with no postage. It should get delivered to the "from" person, citing no postage. I've thought of a few, but I wanted to know what, if anything, the USPS does. Google has not been helpful. The ideas I had were:
-Check the from field against where it was dropped. If it says Idaho, but was dropped in a box in Maine, it's obviously fraud.
-Instead of sending the letter back, send a notice saying to come to the post office and get the letter back. If you identity/address doesn't match that on the letter, it's fraud.
-Use the threat of fines and jail time to deter anyone from trying this.
From what I've heard, the only things that the post office returns to sender w/o postage are pre-printed envelopes and other things like that, as it's more obviously a bill or similar. Other items are typically discarded, assuming a) they're trying to mail things w/o postage, or b) it's some form of fraud, terrorism, or harassment.
- It was damaged and the Send To address isn't legible
- Send To address is incorrect/incomplete
- There is no Send To address visible
- Requires more postage
This idea of non-stamped=free stamp won't work. The post office won't bother returning a letter to someone who didn't pay unless it is on that post office's regular route. And even then, there's no guarantee on the time-delay on delivery.
This method can work, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything.
I once mailed a PS2 memory card across the country (long story short: I moved, but was in the middle of playing Odin Sphere on my friend's PS2 and wanted my save for when I got back home). Unfortunately, I made this mistake, and the card was the property of the USPS for 6 months until they eventually returned it back to me.
Some of this may have something to do with mailing it to Miami. If you don't know, I'll tell you: Miami is the worst place ever if you at all need to depend on other people to function. Laziness is an art form there.
-Check the from field against where it was dropped. If it says Idaho, but was dropped in a box in Maine, it's obviously fraud.
You can't assume that, because people often mail things while away from home. Sometimes they even do it intentionally to speed up the processing (if you're visiting a town which you know holds a postal sorting hub, it will be faster to drop a piece of mail there than it would be to go back home and mail it - from your home, it would just have to go back to the hub before going anywhere else).
-Check the from field against where it was dropped. If it says Idaho, but was dropped in a box in Maine, it's obviously fraud.
You can't assume that, because people often mail things while away from home. Sometimes they even do it intentionally to speed up the processing (if you're visiting a town which you know holds a postal sorting hub, it will be faster to drop a piece of mail there than it would be to go back home and mail it - from your home, it would just have to go back to the hub before going anywhere else).
My family tends to do this in Canada.... They live in Gatineau, Quebec and to get the moving faster they tend to mail things from Ottawa, Ontario (40 minutes away) wher the center of Canada Post is at, things get here a day or two quicker as a result, if not sooner...
It's not a crime. It's a feature of the US postal system that few people know about. I have successfully sent mail between Florida and Massachusetts with this method, and I'm currently trying to find someone in Alaska or Hawaii to send the letter to so I can see how far it will really go.
Here's the thing, when I put the SendTo address, I just put a bunch of dollar signs where you would expect the address to be, and then a random jibberish street name.
Next, in the return address, do not list the city name. Only put the zip code. This is key, because the zip code is unique for every city and you don't really need to use the name at all. The letter would still get there even if you didn't specify a name. But if you only specify a name and no zip code? It will never make it.
Anyway, after you do all this just drop it off discretely at a drive through mail box and wait. It sometimes takes a lot longer for the letter to reach it's destination if you are sending to somewhere far away.
18 USC s. 1725
Postage unpaid on deposited mail matter
Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved, or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.
18 USC s. 1725
Postage unpaid on deposited mail matter
Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved, or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.
I'm curious as to whom this would be remotely useful. A business, sending mail out in bulk, would obviously not be able to sneak a huge pile of letters out to their destinations -- can you really not afford the, what, 41 cents? I can't even do my laundry with that. Not worth a fine or, frankly, the effort.
You won't be fined. They can't really prove intent if you mail a letter, they also can't prove if it was the reciever or the sender who sent it. I'm sure if you took it to court you would win.
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just curious.
The USPS will only return our letters to us if:
- It was damaged and the Send To address isn't legible
- Send To address is incorrect/incomplete
- There is no Send To address visible
- Requires more postage
This idea of non-stamped=free stamp won't work. The post office won't bother returning a letter to someone who didn't pay unless it is on that post office's regular route. And even then, there's no guarantee on the time-delay on delivery.
I once mailed a PS2 memory card across the country (long story short: I moved, but was in the middle of playing Odin Sphere on my friend's PS2 and wanted my save for when I got back home). Unfortunately, I made this mistake, and the card was the property of the USPS for 6 months until they eventually returned it back to me.
Some of this may have something to do with mailing it to Miami. If you don't know, I'll tell you: Miami is the worst place ever if you at all need to depend on other people to function. Laziness is an art form there.
You can't assume that, because people often mail things while away from home. Sometimes they even do it intentionally to speed up the processing (if you're visiting a town which you know holds a postal sorting hub, it will be faster to drop a piece of mail there than it would be to go back home and mail it - from your home, it would just have to go back to the hub before going anywhere else).
My family tends to do this in Canada.... They live in Gatineau, Quebec and to get the moving faster they tend to mail things from Ottawa, Ontario (40 minutes away) wher the center of Canada Post is at, things get here a day or two quicker as a result, if not sooner...
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Here's the thing, when I put the SendTo address, I just put a bunch of dollar signs where you would expect the address to be, and then a random jibberish street name.
Next, in the return address, do not list the city name. Only put the zip code. This is key, because the zip code is unique for every city and you don't really need to use the name at all. The letter would still get there even if you didn't specify a name. But if you only specify a name and no zip code? It will never make it.
Anyway, after you do all this just drop it off discretely at a drive through mail box and wait. It sometimes takes a lot longer for the letter to reach it's destination if you are sending to somewhere far away.
You might not ever get caught but it's sure as hell not a "feature".
18 USC s. 1725
Postage unpaid on deposited mail matter
Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved, or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.
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1.) "It's illegal but you can't prove it" should be the theme song for locked H&A threads.
2.) OP: How is this not, as the title suggests, a how-to on committing mail fraud?