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Today the Leafs announced that they are not going to renew their contract with GM John Ferguson, and that he will be relieved of his duties as of today. Cliff Fletcher will take his place as interim GM until a permanent GM/President can be found. He will also be part of a committee responsible for finding such a person.
Cliff Fletcher was the Toronto GM from 1991 to 1997, and twice led the Leafs to the conference finals. He is also a member of the Hall of Fame.
I know change is great, especially for the Leafs right now, but what can he be expected to do in such a short time period? Especially with the limited power he his given resulting from the particularly stupid structure of the organization?
What do you think?
Cliff Fletcher was the Toronto GM from 1991 to 1997, and twice led the Leafs to the conference finals. He is also a member of the Hall of Fame.
I know change is great, especially for the Leafs right now, but what can he be expected to do in such a short time period? Especially with the limited power he his given resulting from the particularly stupid structure of the organization?
What do you think?
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Get rid of Peddie and Tenenbaum, and get people in there who aren't constantly at odds with each other and the board of directors.
Keep Maurice. The "building younger players up" part he's good at. Look what he did with Carolina.
Trade Mats Sundin. I love Mats and own two of his jerseys, but we've gotta make a statement and convincing him to be traded would do just that. If we can have a wholesale fire sale and get picks and prospects back, then that's fine.
The support and money will be there year after year regardless. It's a double-edged sword. You don't need to have a good time to earn money in the case of the Leafs. At the same time, you don't need to have a good team year after year to stay afloat. So they can afford to go into a rebuilding mode for 2-3 years.
Look at the Flyers. They've spent the last 2 years rebuilding and now they're a competitive team again. Toronto needs to do the same.
I also agree that Sundin needs to go, he's a really great player, but I think too much of the rest of the team is trying to rely on him to do their job, and he just isnt up to carrying the entire team anymore.
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EDIT: We did, I know I posted a hearty GO WINGS in it earlier in the season. It appears to have fallen off and been pruned, however.
Why do they need to fire the coach? What they need to do is set their organization up so that they have a smart GM, and give him the power to make things happen. The owners, Peddie and Tenenbaum in particular, need to be hands-off.
Once we do that, we can get Scotty Bowman as GM. He'll make things happen.
GO WINGS
I really miss playing the Leafs like 20 times a year. Those were some great games, regardless of the caliber of each time.
As far as Mats Sundin goes, trade him to us Canucks. We need the offense, and if we get something going, we just might bring the Cup back to Canada.
Ya, now we (leafs) have to play teams like Ottawa, Boston, NYI like every week. Im getting tired of this kind of schedule.
Actually, Scotty has said outright that he would take the job if he was given complete control. Thats why I said what I did.
Seriously, I know the Leafs are Canada's darling but it's time to blow it up and rebuild. Sundin, while still great, needs to be traded for youth and picks. They can negotiate with a cup contender like Ottawa or Detroit for that.
As for my Stars, they look good this year. Of course, they look good every year until the playoffs. My home state Wings look pretty incredible. I'm downright convinced Zetterberg is the best player in the NHL, and best since Forsberg. Crosby, Oveckin, yeah yeah, I'd take Zetterberg.
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Ahahahahaha go Habs go
Higher level executives on NHL teams are like referees, when they're doing a good job, you don't really notice them. Even the Canuck's former absentee owner from Seattle figured out after a couple of years that having a strong GM without higher level people screwing around with him is the way to go.
Regardless, the leafs really do need to do a complete re-build. They need to tear down, get some high draft picks (2008 is a good draft year. Getting as many picks as possible in this draft would be a good idea). Its painful to lose the heart of your team, but some times, it has to happen. The Canucks turned Trevor Linden into Tod Bertuzzi and Bryan McCabe, who in turn helped bring us the Sedin Twins (McCabe went for one of the picks used to draft the twins) and Luongo. Dumping salary, and amassing draft picks and good prospects is the way to go for them, but they'll need management that can evaluate talent, make good deals and deal with fan reaction to the team sucking for a few years. But this constant, barely making the playoffs/not quite making the play offs, not developing any future probably needs to stop.
Also, I think its fairly natural for Canadians to hope a Canadian team wins, since once hasn't done so since the Habs in 1993.
And, I wonder if Kris Beech just had the shortest career as a Canuck ever. Three games or so and he's waved again. Why they bothered to pick him up in the first place I don't know.
I agree - the Leafs are in need of a complete overhaul. I don't think they've fully realized they're in the East yet.
a) The Leafs have little chance of making the playoffs this season (they are currently 14th seed out of 15). The Leafs haven't been serious contenders for the Cup for a while (heck, they missed the playoffs the last two years) and aren't going to get drastically better anytime soon unless they shell out big bucks for a marquee UFA.
b) Mats Sundin has expressed his willingness to resign with Toronto in the offseason. Why not pull the same thing St. Louis did with Tkachuk last year? Are you telling me St. Louis regrets renting out Tkachuk for a few weeks for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd draft choice?
c) Toronto doesn't have too many high level prospects. Besides Tlusty and Pogge, the Leafs don't have any cheap, great young talent (note: I'm an outsider looking in, so I may have missed someone. don't kill me for it) that can lead the Leafs in the future. Also, cheap & talented players are crucial for any Cup contending team (like Zetterberg is making under $3M or point-producing guys still playing on rookie contracts like Stastny, Ovechkin, and Crosby) since you can go out and sign more/better UFA's.
d) Ferguson is finally gone. Toronto can trade away Sundin and at least expect to get something decent in return instead of getting burned in another trade made by a GM panicking for his job.
With all that said, GO WINGS! I'll be looking forward to Ken Holland making another solid deal at the deadline to shore up our defense and/or 2nd scoring line. I'm just sad that the Wings couldn't sport an entire starting lineup for the All-Star game.
PS
I'm finally glad Osgood is getting some respect, again. I'm betting his recent signing could guarantee an Osgood/Howard tandem next year.
Man...
I'm so sorry.
I live in Columbus, though I've never been to a Blue Jackets game.
I'm torn between which jersey to buy. Council me, oh P/A Hockey Thread!
Buy a Montreal Jersey. >_>
Though seriously Columbus is still in the fight for 8th seed, only 1 point out. They could make it to the playoffs.
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I say Blue Jackets.
1st in the Northwest baby!
I actually hate going to leafs games, (well actually I hate one aspect in particular, I love the hockey)...everybody in the lower bowl seems to be wearing a suit and tie, and nobody gets loud or cheers. It's more of a place of business, somewhere to bring a client. It kind of sucks the life out of the arena sometimes.
Its sort of the point, just like cheering for your home team.
I've somewhat adopted my roommates cheering structure:
HomeTeam / Fave Team > Canadian Teams > Original Six > Young Talented Teams > All Else
Unfortunately for me, I'm in Oil country and not a big Oilers / Flames fan. Originally from Winnipeg Jets town, so I'm waiting for Gretzky to make Phoenix Coyotes a contender so I can really start to root for them.
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That wasn't my experience. We sat in the very top. Well, technically, we stood in the very top. The row behind all the seats where you're not allowed to drink (though we did anyway, gg flasks). The people in that region were quite rowdy.
Still, Yelle's goal was beautiful, as was Conroy's. And the Minnesota goalie really made the play by getting the puck up ice for the lone Minnesota goal.
Ya, the upper bowl is where it's at. I meant it's kinda lame sitting down at ice level.
Edit: Okay, scratch that. By some amazing pass Toronto scored.
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6 pts behind Ottawa with 5 games remaining against them. They can do it, they can finish 1st! Believe in Kovalev and the Kost. bros!
Toronto is totally winning a game! Cliff Fletcher is a genius!
It's only the first period. They still have 40 minutes to fuck it up.
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