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Some people have never played any video games other than Wii Sports and Brain Training. Some people read articles on the internet every day about games that wont be released for a year, and spend several hours playing games every day.
Don't you think there's a distinction there? I'm not suggesting one approach to gaming is better than the other but it's odd not to acknowledge a difference.
Some people have never played any video games other than Wii Sports and Brain Training. Some people read articles on the internet every day about games that wont be released for a year, and spend several hours playing games every day.
Don't you think there's a distinction there? I'm not suggesting one approach to gaming is better than the other but it's odd not to acknowledge a difference.
Unfortunately almost all of us spend more time reading about it.
It comes form one thing. Being teased as a child. It all boils down to a superiority complex passed on by jocks and mean little bastards. Not by genetics, but by punches, names, and tears. You envy these people, you want to be these people, you want the fuck the head cheerleader, so you become one in your own twisted imaginary way.
You create things that are not there to give yourself the edge. Some kids found other ways to deal with this. They busted their ass in college and/or work, they formed a band, they fell in love, they got shit done.
You on the other hand proudly boasted you are better then people who don't even know you exist.
...Or maybe you became an internet psychologist. Whatever helps you cope.
I am an internet God.
Yeah because when some nerd was getting shoved into a locker or some other cliche bullshit he was repeating the mantra "I am a hardcore gamer, I am a hardcore gamer".
Maybe you are internet retarded?
seriously, let me break it down for you
hardcore gamer:: core gamer:: revvhead:: avid gardener:: movie buff:: gun nut:: hip hop head
seeing a pattern here?
I see a pattern of sad individuals whose world I just crushed
God, I hate the term "gamer" almost as much as I hate the word "hardcore" or "rig".
I'm listening to music, am I a Musicer? And I'm about to watch a film so am I a Filmer? Movier? Course I'm fucking not, that's a bullshit distinction. A person that plays games is just that, a person who plays games.
(sidenote: Reading this thread I've generally found that people I already respected here are echoing my sentiments, and I'm finding some new respect for a few people too. Oh, and some people (Digg, Mort se la Blargh) are complete dickheads, aren't they?)
God, I hate the term "gamer" almost as much as I hate the word "hardcore" or "rig".
I'm listening to music, am I a Musicer? And I'm about to watch a film so am I a Filmer? Movier? Course I'm fucking not, that's a bullshit distinction. A person that plays games is just that, a person who plays games.
(sidenote: Reading this thread I've generally found that people I already respected here are echoing my sentiments, and I'm finding some new respect for a few people too. Oh, and some people (Digg, Mort se la Blargh) are complete dickheads, aren't they?)
That's not really true. A person who plays Halo with their friends once a month isn't really the same as the person with three consoles and who plays daily/semi-daily, just like a person that might turn on the radio on their way to work isn't the same as a person who owns every single obscure Bob Dylan B-side.
That said though, I don't really think there's much of a point in fragmenting those two groups any further, like what's being done in the OP.
If I can't figure that out on my own . . . well, exactly who is this benefiting?
Well, aside from the fact that self-contemplation is never pointless, if someone were to up front ask you what kind of person you are, and being a gamer is an integral part of your being, wouldn't it be nice to be able to answer immediately?
For example, if someone (myself, a game dev studio, w/e) wanted to make a questionnaire for incoming applicants to determine what kind of gamer they are, these questions would certainly help narrow down the list of applicants to people that are actually worth your consideration... except for the jackasses that know perfectly well what the desirable answers are and just run through the list, although that can be avoided for the most part by not making them True/False but free response and/or rewording the question.
I don't know. Over self-contemplating might have a few drawbacks. You should know where to draw the line, and maybe it's just insecurity that forces someone to constantly redefine themselves into smaller and smaller niches.
And nothing in a questionnaire would work nearly as well as actually talking to someone. I know that personally I play fewer and fewer games, and the ones I play most are 8 or more years old, or fighting games, and they're mostly in dying genres. I would probably consider myself "hard core," but would other people? And would it even matter? And do I care?
I like Soul Calibur, but not Tekken. I think the Vitua Fighter series is the pinnacle of fighting games, but I find them to be boring and don't like to play them. I still go to arcades, and not just for DDR. I prefer KOF over SF, and the only good Vs. games was X-men Vs. Street Fighter. I like some of the ideas in Guilty Gears, but hate all of the characters and find the game impossible to get into because of that. I enjoy playing DOA2. I still like sprites, and I've beaten all the MMX games with good rankings. I won't play any RTS that isn't StarCraft, and I only play WC3 for the single player and a little DOTA. I think CS has a horrible community and is a flawed game, and that Halo is even worse. Every Rainbow 6 game after Raven Shield has been a giant step backwards. I can't stand racing games, even though I'm pretty good at Mario Kart. I thought NSMB was lacking, too easy and forgettable. I think Warsow (see link in sig) is the most innovative FPS in a decade.
God, I hate the term "gamer" almost as much as I hate the word "hardcore" or "rig".
I'm listening to music, am I a Musicer? And I'm about to watch a film so am I a Filmer? Movier? Course I'm fucking not, that's a bullshit distinction. A person that plays games is just that, a person who plays games.
(sidenote: Reading this thread I've generally found that people I already respected here are echoing my sentiments, and I'm finding some new respect for a few people too. Oh, and some people (Digg, Mort se la Blargh) are complete dickheads, aren't they?)
That's not really true. A person who plays Halo with their friends once a month isn't really the same as the person with three consoles and who plays daily/semi-daily, just like a person that might turn on the radio on their way to work isn't the same as a person who owns every single obscure Bob Dylan B-side.
That said though, I don't really think there's much of a point in fragmenting those two groups any further, like what's being done in the OP.
Yeah, but tto suggest there's a line that can be drawn is nonsense. It's a purely subjective thing.
I collect vinyl, I restore old sound equipment and I have a truly ridiculous music collection, but I would consider myself an audiphile. Some might, and I certainly have more music knowledge than most people, but personally I just rank myself as a bloke that likes music and likes it to sound good.
Wow. You guys are incredible. Going straight for the throat because he used the word "hardcore." Then when OP clarifies himself, redacting your own arguments to continue portraying him as the LOL HARDCORE guy. Some of you going so far as to negatively stereotype him-- to what end?
We all post in an gaming enthusiast forum; if you think that doesn't qualify us as "gamers," then you're lying to yourself. Yes, being a gamer is an incorporeal catch-all. Hence the OP. There's nothing wrong with trying to define something that people define themselves as. To deny that such a definition exists is just as wrong as to say that definition is the sum of your identity.
Anyway, here are my contributions:
I spend a sizable amount of my disposable income on video games.
In my spare time, I like to browse gaming forums and websites to see what other people think about a game.
God, I hate the term "gamer" almost as much as I hate the word "hardcore" or "rig".
I'm listening to music, am I a Musicer? And I'm about to watch a film so am I a Filmer? Movier? Course I'm fucking not, that's a bullshit distinction. A person that plays games is just that, a person who plays games.
(sidenote: Reading this thread I've generally found that people I already respected here are echoing my sentiments, and I'm finding some new respect for a few people too. Oh, and some people (Digg, Mort se la Blargh) are complete dickheads, aren't they?)
Video games are a little different from film and music. Until recently it hasn't been widely recognised that adults play them. I think it's quite natural for a group of people to create a name for themselves if there's some dispute as to whether or not they exist.
I also disagree with your point about me being a complete dickhead.
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ever wondered why your dad and mum aren't interested in Bioshock?
My mum and dad are hardcore parents. My mum spent 9 months levelling me up and dad read all the books and shit. Now I'm stuck in this instance with all you PUG losers.
I think you'd be better of asking things like, "What would be an ideal game for you?" or, "How would you describe yourself as a gamer?" True or false just doesn't cover it. What are going to do at the end, score it? "If you got 0-10 you're a 'non-gamer;' 11-20 you're a 'casual gamer;' 21-30 you're 'hardcore;' 31 or more and you're a 'pro gamer.'" Doesn't seem workable to me.
I just noticed that you've been adding questions to the list Maginomicon. You might want to consider removing some as well. Many of your questions are about very specific things (the head-tracking video for example) and it makes me wonder what you're trying to achieve. Also, your first section seems to be about attitudes to media coverage of games rather than anything related to playing games.
If you want people to answer the thing (I'm not even sure if you do), you might want to trim it down a bit.
A good question (which would go some way to identifying hardcore gamers) might be to ask if the reader if he/she knows the definitions of a list of terms.
RPG, FPS,...
I'm sure you know some terms that could puzzle casual gamers. But be aware that alienating people early on in a questionnaire might cause them to give up on it.
But, again this is just about the hardcore/casual distinction (which seems to be an irritating subject to some). My advice is to try to broaden your outlook. Try to think of the different ways people interact with games and what attracts them to play:
Some people pay more attention to music in games than others. Some even listen to their own music while they play.
Some people enjoy unlocking hidden aspects of a game, others ignore that sort of content.
Some people happily play similar games whereas others try to choose original gameplay experiences.
Some people may consider themselves addicted to gaming (there are questionnaires online for other types of addiction that could help you to ask about that).
I think it would be interesting to see the questionnaire develop into something more than it is now. That said, I'd prefer you not to attribute any of the questions I have suggested to me. It's your thing, not mine.
How much clearer do I have to state it? I don't want people to answer those questions in this thread! Geez.
Also, the question that mentioned the word "hardcore" was not the focal point of the list! It was one question among many important questions. This topic is not about the definition of a "hardcore" gamer, and it never was. It got skewed in that direction because only one or two people seem to of actually read the OP.
On the flipside, I agree that the question about the headtracking video is a bit too specific. All the same, I personally perceive that video as a turning point in gaming history. That video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that full motion in gaming is closer than we think. That video is something every gaming enthusiast should see if they haven't already. Perhaps the question should be changed to something like "I frequently visit or acquire news from gaming news sites. (such as Kotaku)"
Also, the question that mentioned the word "hardcore" was not the focal point of the list! It was one question among many important questions. This topic is not about the definition of a "hardcore" gamer, and it never was. It got skewed in that direction because only one or two people seem to of actually read the OP.
I know. I apologize for being part of that. But I tend to follow the ebb and flow of conversations in threads, and it seemed at least somewhat important to the topic.
Honestly though, I'm not sure what questions I could pose to help in defining a gamer. When I think of one, I mentally knock it down in the next instance anyway. I guess I"m not much help :P
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Some people have never played any video games other than Wii Sports and Brain Training. Some people read articles on the internet every day about games that wont be released for a year, and spend several hours playing games every day.
Don't you think there's a distinction there? I'm not suggesting one approach to gaming is better than the other but it's odd not to acknowledge a difference.
Unfortunately almost all of us spend more time reading about it.
Unless of course your poison of choice is WoW.
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I'm listening to music, am I a Musicer? And I'm about to watch a film so am I a Filmer? Movier? Course I'm fucking not, that's a bullshit distinction. A person that plays games is just that, a person who plays games.
(sidenote: Reading this thread I've generally found that people I already respected here are echoing my sentiments, and I'm finding some new respect for a few people too. Oh, and some people (Digg, Mort se la Blargh) are complete dickheads, aren't they?)
That's not really true. A person who plays Halo with their friends once a month isn't really the same as the person with three consoles and who plays daily/semi-daily, just like a person that might turn on the radio on their way to work isn't the same as a person who owns every single obscure Bob Dylan B-side.
That said though, I don't really think there's much of a point in fragmenting those two groups any further, like what's being done in the OP.
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I don't know. Over self-contemplating might have a few drawbacks. You should know where to draw the line, and maybe it's just insecurity that forces someone to constantly redefine themselves into smaller and smaller niches.
And nothing in a questionnaire would work nearly as well as actually talking to someone. I know that personally I play fewer and fewer games, and the ones I play most are 8 or more years old, or fighting games, and they're mostly in dying genres. I would probably consider myself "hard core," but would other people? And would it even matter? And do I care?
I like Soul Calibur, but not Tekken. I think the Vitua Fighter series is the pinnacle of fighting games, but I find them to be boring and don't like to play them. I still go to arcades, and not just for DDR. I prefer KOF over SF, and the only good Vs. games was X-men Vs. Street Fighter. I like some of the ideas in Guilty Gears, but hate all of the characters and find the game impossible to get into because of that. I enjoy playing DOA2. I still like sprites, and I've beaten all the MMX games with good rankings. I won't play any RTS that isn't StarCraft, and I only play WC3 for the single player and a little DOTA. I think CS has a horrible community and is a flawed game, and that Halo is even worse. Every Rainbow 6 game after Raven Shield has been a giant step backwards. I can't stand racing games, even though I'm pretty good at Mario Kart. I thought NSMB was lacking, too easy and forgettable. I think Warsow (see link in sig) is the most innovative FPS in a decade.
Who am I??
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Yeah, but tto suggest there's a line that can be drawn is nonsense. It's a purely subjective thing.
I collect vinyl, I restore old sound equipment and I have a truly ridiculous music collection, but I would consider myself an audiphile. Some might, and I certainly have more music knowledge than most people, but personally I just rank myself as a bloke that likes music and likes it to sound good.
Same thing with games.
How can you say you consider yourself an audiophile and then go on complain about the term gamer?
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...Well played.
We all post in an gaming enthusiast forum; if you think that doesn't qualify us as "gamers," then you're lying to yourself. Yes, being a gamer is an incorporeal catch-all. Hence the OP. There's nothing wrong with trying to define something that people define themselves as. To deny that such a definition exists is just as wrong as to say that definition is the sum of your identity.
Anyway, here are my contributions:
I spend a sizable amount of my disposable income on video games.
In my spare time, I like to browse gaming forums and websites to see what other people think about a game.
we will now use 'non-denominational non-stereotypical interactive entertainment enthusiast who also has friends and a variety of non-gaming interests'
everybody happy now?
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Video games are a little different from film and music. Until recently it hasn't been widely recognised that adults play them. I think it's quite natural for a group of people to create a name for themselves if there's some dispute as to whether or not they exist.
I also disagree with your point about me being a complete dickhead.
My mum and dad are hardcore parents. My mum spent 9 months levelling me up and dad read all the books and shit. Now I'm stuck in this instance with all you PUG losers.
HARD. FUCKING. CORE.
It's not that I hate the term "hardcore parent" but rather the elitism that comes with it.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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If you want people to answer the thing (I'm not even sure if you do), you might want to trim it down a bit.
A good question (which would go some way to identifying hardcore gamers) might be to ask if the reader if he/she knows the definitions of a list of terms.
RPG, FPS,...
I'm sure you know some terms that could puzzle casual gamers. But be aware that alienating people early on in a questionnaire might cause them to give up on it.
But, again this is just about the hardcore/casual distinction (which seems to be an irritating subject to some). My advice is to try to broaden your outlook. Try to think of the different ways people interact with games and what attracts them to play:
Some people pay more attention to music in games than others. Some even listen to their own music while they play.
Some people enjoy unlocking hidden aspects of a game, others ignore that sort of content.
Some people happily play similar games whereas others try to choose original gameplay experiences.
Some people may consider themselves addicted to gaming (there are questionnaires online for other types of addiction that could help you to ask about that).
I think it would be interesting to see the questionnaire develop into something more than it is now. That said, I'd prefer you not to attribute any of the questions I have suggested to me. It's your thing, not mine.
Also, the question that mentioned the word "hardcore" was not the focal point of the list! It was one question among many important questions. This topic is not about the definition of a "hardcore" gamer, and it never was. It got skewed in that direction because only one or two people seem to of actually read the OP.
On the flipside, I agree that the question about the headtracking video is a bit too specific. All the same, I personally perceive that video as a turning point in gaming history. That video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that full motion in gaming is closer than we think. That video is something every gaming enthusiast should see if they haven't already. Perhaps the question should be changed to something like "I frequently visit or acquire news from gaming news sites. (such as Kotaku)"
I know. I apologize for being part of that. But I tend to follow the ebb and flow of conversations in threads, and it seemed at least somewhat important to the topic.
Honestly though, I'm not sure what questions I could pose to help in defining a gamer. When I think of one, I mentally knock it down in the next instance anyway. I guess I"m not much help :P
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