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David Jaffe Interview at Gamasutra

BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
edited January 2008 in Games and Technology
I saw this linked over at Neogaf ... an interview by David Jaffe at Gamasutra. I always find it interesting to see how developers talk about different consoles in a "relaxed interview" sort of environment ... although I daresay one might say this particular interview was nothing more than a PS3 PR pitch.
Well, I love the PlayStation 3. I mean, I have a Wii, I barely play it -- not because I don't like it or appreciate it, I just, you know, it's not my cup of tea at the moment. Mario Galaxy, I thought was pretty cool. I've got to be honest: I didn't think that it was as good as Ratchet. I didn't get the huge big deal over it; I thought it was a really good Mario game, but I wasn't like, "Oh my God, it's Mario 64!" I'm totally in the minority in that.
And I think now we're just starting to see the idea that the PS3 is going to be capable of ultimately being the best system out there, in terms of delivering the best games and the best performance.

And, you know, I love the fact that Blu-ray seems to be doing really well, and seems to be winning the format war. So I'm a big fan of the PlayStation 3.

Of course I wish it was a little less costly, I wish it had a bigger market share, but I think all that is just to come. I don't look at the situation and think that it's: "Where it is now is where it's going to be." I ultimately see it being pretty close to ahead, if not totally ahead, in terms of Xbox, in terms of market share when all the dust settles. I'm a big fan.
With Burnout, if you really want to play Burnout the way it's supposed to be played, play it on the PlayStation 3.
You know, maybe. It's hard to say. I don't have enough data -- which is not that it's not out there, I just haven't looked at it in a while -- about selling on the Wii. I mean, you know the first party stuff is selling really well. I saw recently that Carnival Games, which is a third party title, was doing pretty well. And so it's the same way when you asked me what I thought about PS2. I love the fact that there is an option out there for developers and gamers who are like, "Look, you know, we don't care about the bleeding edge so much. We just want to have a good time." So I think it's nice that that has opened up.

And I was going to use the word "niche," but I think considering the success of the Wii -- at least so far -- that would be a disrespectful word to use when describing it, considering how stunningly successful it's been. So what it may really be saying is that the vast majority who want to play video games could really care less if they're playing the leading-edge graphics. They just want to have a good time and get on with their lives. So, you may be right, that may be actually opening up a whole new world for developers. But I think it's too early to say if anybody other than the first party developers on Nintendo's platforms, like in the past, are going to be able to reap those rewards and benefits. Or if you're only talking about Zelda and Pokémon.

PS3 stuff aside it's interesting to see where he stands on stuff like the future of DLC, the stress on developers to break even when making titles, and a ton of other issues. I know that they work closely with Sony so I guess the PS3 love is understandable.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    "Hi I'm David Jaffe and in case you didnt already guess I used to work for Sony and am currently producing a game for a Sony console with my new Sony console focused game company."

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    For some reason, I got a chuckle out of this:
    DJ: Well, with the exception of 3 and 4, I've been involved with every iteration of the series except Head-On.
    So, in other words, 1,2 and Black. Half of them.

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  • BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    "Hi I'm David Jaffe and in case you didnt already guess I used to work for Sony and am currently producing a game for a Sony console with my new Sony console focused game company."


    It's true that he has alot of reasons to have a Sony Bias ... but some of his statements sounded like he was giving his honest opinion, like when he talked about Super Mario Galaxy ...

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Bamelin wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    "Hi I'm David Jaffe and in case you didnt already guess I used to work for Sony and am currently producing a game for a Sony console with my new Sony console focused game company."


    It's true that he has alot of reasons to have a Sony Bias ... but some of his statements sounded like he was giving his honest opinion, like when he talked about Super Mario Galaxy ...

    but then with comments like his burnout one you know the whole thing is a sony pr spiel.

    doesnt mean i respect him less or dont value his comments. just puts him in perspective. he did work for sony after all.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Dave Jaffe is an okay dude but I don't give two shits about what he thinks. This reads like a Sony PR statement. I'm surprised he didn't encourage me to Play BEYOND and ACCEPT CHANG3 while enjoying the revolutionary CELL microprocessor.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The way it's supposed to be played? So by playing Burnout on the 360 I'm playing it wrong? That guy is full of shit.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Gee, he's saying good things about the PS3 so he must be lying through his teeth, m i rite?

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fireflash wrote: »
    The way it's supposed to be played? So by playing Burnout on the 360 I'm playing it wrong? That guy is full of shit.

    Conversely, the OXbox and Gamecube were the ways that last-gen games were meant to be played. Go figure.

    edit: DW, I'd say I'd take his comments about the PS3 in the same way I'd take comments from Bungie developers about the 360 (maybe more relevant during Halo 3 development, rather than after the departure). Basically sure, believe it or don't, but I'll be carrying a big bag of salt around for the occasion.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I've never really been quite sure why Jaffe is considered so important. He brought us some Twisted Metal and God of War, which is great really, but a lot of people or maybe the media seem to put him on a fairly high pedestal as a developer/designer, and I don't quite get that. Yeah he's done some great stuff, but so have a lot of other designers/devs.



    Even so, I find the views of various devs/designers interesting some times:


    q:
    And speaking of casual games experiences, and the market, it's obvious that there's a lot of discussion about that right now, and I think people are finding it hard to define -- they're over-defining it, maybe? Making it more of a dichotomy, like, "Casual gamers are grandmas. Hardcore gamers are 18 year old guys." One end of the spectrum to the other. What do you think about that?
    DJ:
    But, what do I think about that? Well, I think on one end you're absolutely right about the 18 year old guy thing. Every game that we do now, one of the guys calls it the "Joe College Factor."

    You know, you always think about, when you're spending the kind of money that we have to spend now to make console titles, and this is a mistake that we made on our Calling All Cars game. It's like, you know, "Is this guy" -- it's usually a guy, for better or for worse, it's usually a guy -- "going to feel comfortable and cool going into a game store at all, and saying 'I want to have that experience'?"

    And that bar has changed dramatically. If you look at PS1 era games -- and I always called it back then "the 80/20 rule" -- that could survive. Which was: 80% of your title had to be grounded in some sort of thematic reality, and 20% of it could be fantastic.

    And so, back in '95, '96, '97, a game like, for example -- with the guy with the mental powers, but he was also a soldier -- Psi-Ops. A game like that would've been a huge hit back in the day.

    But as graphics get better, it's almost like the 80/20 rule on PS1 was 90/10 on PS2, and now it's almost 100%. It's like there's not a lot of room in the hardcore gamer's diet these days for -- not hardcore, sorry, that's wrong, hardcore has plenty of room for it. But in terms of the mainstream market of console games, it seems like there's not a lot of room for imagination on the part of the thematic. It's almost like it feels silly to them.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Gee, he's saying good things about the PS3 so he must be lying through his teeth, m i rite?

    O_o Or perhaps it throws his views perspective. So what if he likes the PS3 that much, though? All it means is we can't use his perspective as a comparison of the systems. In other words, there's little to gain from that interview unless you're specifically interested in a PS3.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    The way it's supposed to be played? So by playing Burnout on the 360 I'm playing it wrong? That guy is full of shit.

    Conversely, the OXbox and Gamecube were the ways that last-gen games were meant to be played. Go figure.

    It was as retarded back then as it is today. The only situations where this kind of marketing crap would be appropriate is when one console's version is significantly different than the others. Take a game like Chaos Theory for example. Sure you could play it on the PS2 but the levels were less than half as big as the xbox version, it had less enemies and practically no dynamic lights.

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  • etoychestetoychest Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hey, cool. I was up all night doing final editing and laying out Christian's interview. It was an interesting piece.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    slash000 wrote: »
    I've never really been quite sure why Jaffe is considered so important. He brought us some Twisted Metal and God of War, which is great really, but a lot of people or maybe the media seem to put him on a fairly high pedestal as a developer/designer, and I don't quite get that. Yeah he's done some great stuff, but so have a lot of other designers/devs.

    Jaffe has had a pretty illustrius career. He was behind Calling all Cars, and hell, his first game was Mickey Mania. I doubt most remember, but at the time it was considered GOTY material (but it had the unforutunate luck of being released in 1994) and was extremely well recieved. In fact, I can't remember a single game he's made which hasn't been released to big acclaim.

    I at least pay attention to what he says. He's proven himself in my eyes.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    this too:



    Q:
    What do you think about the future of, you know, people being able to create high profile, high budget, $60 console games, and find success? Budgets are rising on games. That's obvious. You have to sell more copies of a game to be profitable. Does that worry you about package software, $60 packaged software for next generation consoles? Do you think we're going to reach a saturation point, where that might be a problem?


    DJ:
    You know, I don't know. I think it's definitely nerve wracking. I think we're starting to see less games. I think we're starting to -- well, here's the part that scares me the most. The part that scares me the most is that I look at these break-even spreadsheets, when we're working with Sony on our games. You know -- this is how many units you have to sell to break even, and this is what your current budget is.

    Let's put it this way: it's really, you're at a whole new level, and it's not scary in the sense that I want to get out of it, and walk away from the problem, but it really is amazing to look back at, say, Twisted Metal 1, and go, "OK, we were selling that for 49 bucks, and that cost about $800,000 to make." And we sold 1,000,000 copies, and we were just like, "Hell, this is great!" And now you look at selling a million copies of a title that's going to cost 10, 15, 20 million [to develop], and you're like, "Man, I hope the low end is a million copies!" Because if it ain't, you're screwed!

    It's really scary. Especially when you're publishing on a single platform, versus spreading your title out amongst all kinds of places.



    If that's how he feels, I can only imagine how the smaller devs feel.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Let's leave out the part where he says he loves the 360.

    Yeah, he worked for Sony, he's gonna be somewhat biased. But an interviewer asks for his opinion, and he gives it, and he gets shot down? Grow the fuck up.

    What he meant with the Burnout comment was probably that PS3 was the lead platform on it. That isn't spin or bullshit, that's a fact.


    More than anything I just love how, when people interview this guy, people act like he's a massive PR whore. He gets asked for those interviews!

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    i've never played a david jaffe game except calling all cars, which instantly made me think he's brim full of shite. that game was as aptly designed as a screen door on a submarine

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Noray wrote: »
    Let's leave out the part where he says he loves the 360.

    Yeah, he worked for Sony, he's gonna be somewhat biased. But an interviewer asks for his opinion, and he gives it, and he gets shot down? Grow the fuck up.

    What he meant with the Burnout comment was probably that PS3 was the lead platform on it. That isn't spin or bullshit, that's a fact.


    More than anything I just love how, when people interview this guy, people act like he's a massive PR whore. He gets asked for those interviews!

    David Jaffe is a gigantic PR whore.

    And like we said, we arent hating on him for his opinion. I happen to agree with a lot of what he says. Its just the fact that a lot of what he said is coated with the taint of marketing and PR bullshit.

    Taken individually, each of his opinions is uncontroversial. He preferred Ratchet over Galaxy? So do I and a lot of other people.

    But the interview as a whole is completely pro Sony and pro PS3. Now, ordinarily this wouldnt be too much of a bother as the Ps3 is on the up, but coming from a man who used to work in a senior position at Sony, has a Sony console product in the pipeline and sequels and ports of Sony console games for the new sony console, you have to just realise that he is pimping the console for his own ends.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Or its just his opinion Scarab. Stop being a douche.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Or its just his opinion Scarab. Stop being a douche.

    Even the OP says it could be taken as little more than a PS3 PR pitch.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Or its just his opinion Scarab. Stop being a douche.

    Oh come on. I dont mind defending someones right to have an opinion but do you honestly believe these are David Jaffes firmly held beliefs, and that there is not a hint at all of corporate/marketing spin or PR? At all? Seriously?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    He didn't have to mention liking games on other consoles at all if he was just blowing up Sony's skirt. Of course he's going to like it, hes got a fair few games on it which by default should be some of his favourite. He's never come across as a guy who just throws bull to the current audience.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    "Hi I'm David Jaffe and in case you didnt already guess I used to work for Sony and am currently producing a game for a Sony console with my new Sony console focused game company."

    Indeed. Unless he has insider information at Criterion, then how the fuck can he claim the PS3 is "da way to play Burnout har har"?

    edit: for the record, I'd be just as cynical about a bungie rep praising the 360.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    He didn't have to mention liking games on other consoles at all if he was just blowing up Sony's skirt. Of course he's going to like it, hes got a fair few games on it which by default should be some of his favourite. He's never come across as a guy who just throws bull to the current audience.

    Oh certainly. I agree completely.

    Im not saying he is lying, or that what he is saying is bullshit.

    My point I guess is that this interview/article has no purpose. A developer with close ties to Sony, which is currently making a Sony game, says that Sony is great? Even if he is being totally honest (which I dont doubt) its not really news.

    It would be like Harold Ryan saying the 360 was good. It has no real use other than to confirm what we already knew.


    Now if this interview was not Jaffe but, say, Riccitiello then that would be news. but as it stands all this really serves is to remind us that the PS3 is great and that Jaffe is making a game for it.

    In that way I think its just Jaffe working the media to remind us about his current development house and studio, nothing more. it isnt come cutting insight into the PS3 or Sony. Its PR spin for his new game/his old games/his current games.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Cloudman wrote: »
    Dave Jaffe is an okay dude but I don't give two shits about what he thinks. This reads like a Sony PR statement. I'm surprised he didn't encourage me to Play BEYOND and ACCEPT CHANG3 while enjoying the revolutionary CELL microprocessor.

    Jaffe makes me feel bad about owning a PS3. I honestly wish he would just shut the fuck up and get back to making games.

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  • CymoroCymoro Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    A Wii?

    Yeah, I got one of those.

    Eh, it's no big deal.

    Super Mario Galaxy? Yeah, got that too. No big deal.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Or its just Scarab's opinion. Stop being a douche.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Wow.

    So, he's not even getting paid and he's still a fanboy.

    That's dedication.

    Reminds me of a friend of mine who, when told about how the PS3 was a factor in the GTA 4 delay, still spun it and managed to place the blame on MS.

    ROFL.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    He didn't have to mention liking games on other consoles at all if he was just blowing up Sony's skirt. Of course he's going to like it, hes got a fair few games on it which by default should be some of his favourite. He's never come across as a guy who just throws bull to the current audience.

    Oh certainly. I agree completely.

    Im not saying he is lying, or that what he is saying is bullshit.

    My point I guess is that this interview/article has no purpose. A developer with close ties to Sony, which is currently making a Sony game, says that Sony is great? Even if he is being totally honest (which I dont doubt) its not really news.

    It would be like Harold Ryan saying the 360 was good. It has no real use other than to confirm what we already knew.


    Now if this interview was not Jaffe but, say, Riccitiello then that would be news. but as it stands all this really serves is to remind us that the PS3 is great and that Jaffe is making a game for it.

    In that way I think its just Jaffe working the media to remind us about his current development house and studio, nothing more. it isnt come cutting insight into the PS3 or Sony. Its PR spin for his new game/his old games/his current games.

    Fair enough then.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    made which hasn't been released to big acclaim.

    Calling All Cars?

    Did he have anything to do with the Twisted Metal's after 2?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    He didn't have to mention liking games on other consoles at all if he was just blowing up Sony's skirt. Of course he's going to like it, hes got a fair few games on it which by default should be some of his favourite. He's never come across as a guy who just throws bull to the current audience.

    Oh certainly. I agree completely.

    Im not saying he is lying, or that what he is saying is bullshit.

    My point I guess is that this interview/article has no purpose. A developer with close ties to Sony, which is currently making a Sony game, says that Sony is great? Even if he is being totally honest (which I dont doubt) its not really news.

    It would be like Harold Ryan saying the 360 was good. It has no real use other than to confirm what we already knew.


    Now if this interview was not Jaffe but, say, Riccitiello then that would be news. but as it stands all this really serves is to remind us that the PS3 is great and that Jaffe is making a game for it.

    In that way I think its just Jaffe working the media to remind us about his current development house and studio, nothing more. it isnt come cutting insight into the PS3 or Sony. Its PR spin for his new game/his old games/his current games.

    Fair enough then.

    Actually the article is pretty useful if you think they really are his opinions. For instance if you happen to own stock in his company then you could use
    DJ wrote:
    Of course I wish it was a little less costly, I wish it had a bigger market share, but I think all that is just to come. I don't look at the situation and think that it's: "Where it is now is where it's going to be." I ultimately see it being pretty close to ahead, if not totally ahead, in terms of Xbox, in terms of market share when all the dust settles. I'm a big fan.

    to help you decide to sell that stock.

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  • tetsuoZshimatetsuoZshima Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sleep wrote: »
    made which hasn't been released to big acclaim.

    Calling All Cars?

    Did he have anything to do with the Twisted Metal's after 2?

    black. which means he worked on the only GOOD twisted metals. 1, 2, and black. just sayin.

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  • Gaming-ModuleGaming-Module Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    David Jaffe says divisive things.

    Some people who share his vested interest nod in approval.

    Those who don't or are independent minded disagree or just mildly clarify his position.

    First group attacks second group, calls for them to "be reasonable."

    It's official - David Jaffe interviews are like Fox News reports!

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