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American Primaries: How dumb are the Democrats?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    A funny video with comments that apply equally well to Nader as to the Green Party.

    Skip to 2:30ish for the good part.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fred Flintstone - Bedrock, Wyoming
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    I'd post a link to this petition, but that would be immoral because you nasty mean people would go ruin a nice man's Presidential ambitions.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

    Well, I'm convinced, Hillary clearly appeals to the youth vote, because dammit, she rocks, man.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hmm, apparently Minneapolis's mayor, R.T. Rybak, is the chair of Obama's Minnesota campaign. I knew I liked him, and not just for chasing the smokers away from my restaurants.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

    Well, I'm convinced, Hillary clearly appeals to the youth vote, because dammit, she rocks, man.

    QUITTIN' THE BAND, MAN

    SHE'S RUNNIN FOR PRESIDENT

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    OK so what is the current speculations on what Edwards did this morning? Of course he does this on a day I have to work my ass off.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I think we're leaning that it's about 50/50 in terms of our support with a slight Hillary lean for demographic reasons.

    As for Edwards himself, it seems doubtful he endorses Clinton, we're hoping for an Obama endorsement later this week.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    He's hedging his bets for now. I hope he makes up his fucking mind about endorsing someone by Friday.

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    geckahn wrote: »
    You know, McCain emerging as the clear frontrunner is very helpful for Obama


    How come? I'd think the experience/age factor would hurt him the worst in the general.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rasmussen poll shows McCain beating Clinton by 8 and Obama by 6

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

    Well, I'm convinced, Hillary clearly appeals to the youth vote, because dammit, she rocks, man.

    ...

    I think I just threw up in my mouth.

    shryke on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Rasmussen poll shows McCain beating Clinton by 8 and Obama by 6

    Put Obama next to McCain on a stage and it's over.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    You know, McCain emerging as the clear frontrunner is very helpful for Obama


    How come? I'd think the experience/age factor would hurt him the worst in the general.

    Because those aren't Obama's strengths to behind with. They ARE however, Clintons.

    McCain beats her on everything that makes her a "better" candidate then Obama. He's got more experience then her.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    You know, McCain emerging as the clear frontrunner is very helpful for Obama


    How come? I'd think the experience/age factor would hurt him the worst in the general.

    What do you think Hillary is going to run on in the general? The same thing she is now - experience.

    And McCain beats her easily on that platform, plus he's far more likeable.

    So, if voters have any hindsight at all, the only likely way to victory is take Obama's route.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Rasmussen poll shows McCain beating Clinton by 8 and Obama by 6
    It's Rasmussen. Take anything they say and lop about 5% off of whatever's favorable to Republicans.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

    Well, I'm convinced, Hillary clearly appeals to the youth vote, because dammit, she rocks, man.
    Well that was a waste of my time.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nader talks trash about the Democratic candidates:
    CNN wrote:
    He expressed particular disappointment with Obama, whose senate record he called "mediocre, and quite cautious."

    "It's not that he doesn't know what the score is, of course he does — look at his background, he knows plenty," Nader said. "But he's censoring himself."

    If only a certain fringe candidate would "censor himself." Hey Ralph: Run for mayor or state senator or the House of fucking Representatives before you try president. You don't even know if you'd like the job.
    Nader attracted close to 100,000 votes in Florida in 2000 — a state Al Gore ultimately lost to George Bush by approximately 500 votes. He brushes aside suggestions his candidacy this year may ultimately spoil the election for the Democratic Party.

    "Political bigotry will be the label on anybody who uses the word 'spoiler,' he said. "Because ‘spoiler’ means minor candidates are second class citizens. Either we have an equal right to run for election, or we are spoilers for each other trying to get each other's votes.”

    What did I tell you? The guy is a rules lawyer and a powergamer. Also kind of a fuckbag.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    It seems like Hillary always tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    Hoz on
  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    zakkiel wrote: »
    Polls of Edwards supporters show a roughly 50/50 split.

    Does anyone know where this poll is at and how recent it is?

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Oh, by the way - Shinto, Will, are you going to admit I was right about Rudy from the start? :P

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Well, with Nader running is that game over for a democratic president or have we learned our lesson as a country?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    Oh, by the way - Shinto, Will, are you going to admit I was right about Rudy from the start? :P

    No, because it was his not competing in the early states that did him in, not some hidden army of enemy assassins from New York.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    Oh, by the way - Shinto, Will, are you going to admit I was right about Rudy from the start? :P

    I will need to go back and see what your position was and whether I disagreed.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Rasmussen poll shows McCain beating Clinton by 8 and Obama by 6

    The one scenario I haven't even bothered entertaining is what if Obama wins the nomination and loses to McCain. I decided that is probably the only outcome that would make me seriously consider getting out of the country. Probably to...

    Ireland!

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    Oh, by the way - Shinto, Will, are you going to admit I was right about Rudy from the start? :P

    No, because it was his not competing in the early states that did him in, not some hidden army of enemy assassins from New York.

    Yeah, the Florida plan was pretty much retarded from the get go. And then he spent a bunch of money in New Hampshire anyways and lost.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    Derrick wrote: »
    Well, with Nader running is that game over for a democratic president or have we learned our lesson as a country?

    Marijuana is pretty hard on the long-term memory.

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  • imperial6imperial6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The problem with any poll showing a certain number of Edwards supporters' second choice being H or O, is that it is probably derived from a sample of about 100 people. If a survey samples 600 or so dem voters for a m.o.e. of about 4, then maybe 100 are Edwards supporters. The margin of error on n=100 has to be like...a lot.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Dracomicron wrote: »
    Nader talks trash about the Democratic candidates:
    CNN wrote:
    He expressed particular disappointment with Obama, whose senate record he called "mediocre, and quite cautious."

    "It's not that he doesn't know what the score is, of course he does — look at his background, he knows plenty," Nader said. "But he's censoring himself."

    If only a certain fringe candidate would "censor himself." Hey Ralph: Run for mayor or state senator or the House of fucking Representatives before you try president. You don't even know if you'd like the job.
    Nader attracted close to 100,000 votes in Florida in 2000 — a state Al Gore ultimately lost to George Bush by approximately 500 votes. He brushes aside suggestions his candidacy this year may ultimately spoil the election for the Democratic Party.

    "Political bigotry will be the label on anybody who uses the word 'spoiler,' he said. "Because ‘spoiler’ means minor candidates are second class citizens. Either we have an equal right to run for election, or we are spoilers for each other trying to get each other's votes.”

    What did I tell you? The guy is a rules lawyer and a powergamer. Also kind of a fuckbag.
    All right, that's it. You mess with Obama, you mess with me. Didn't really want to mess with his petition, just laugh at it, but he deserves it.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    In a review of hopeful news:

    Gallup has Obama closing to within 6% of Clinton nationally in a poll conducted from the 27th to the 29th.

    Rasmussen has Obama and Clinton tied in Connecticut.

    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    In a review of hopeful news:

    Gallup has Obama closing to within 6% of Clinton nationally in a poll conducted from the 27th to the 29th.

    Rasmussen has Obama and Clinton tied in Connecticut.

    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

    If that's true, and I'd imagine the trends being what they are, those undecideds are breaking for Obama. Wow. We can hope (ha!).

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

    vs 53 to 69 for Clinton? How's that a good thing?

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Well, with Nader running is that game over for a democratic president or have we learned our lesson as a country?

    Marijuana is pretty hard on the long-term memory.
    What?

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

    vs 53 to 69 for Clinton? How's that a good thing?
    Because I think he meant 31 for Clinton to 47 for Obama, the rest undecided.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

    vs 53 to 69 for Clinton? How's that a good thing?

    Not all Edwards supporters would be decided, as I read that. As in:

    Obama 47
    Clinton 31

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Only half the people who vote in the California primary vote in the last 10 days, the rest before. Obama can't catch the fallen. :x

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    A poll I heard on the radio on the way home said that as of Jan. 13&14 polls of Edwards voters nationally had them splitting something like 31% to 47% for Obama.

    vs 53 to 69 for Clinton? How's that a good thing?

    No no. Misunderstanding.

    31% for Clinton, 47% for Obama.

    Shinto on
  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    So has that petition made it to 4chan yet? My antipathy for Nader, and his potential to create an Obama loss, combine to make me willing to unleash Anonymous on his worthless ass.

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  • imperial6imperial6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    Only half the people who vote in the California primary vote in the last 10 days, the rest before. Obama can't catch the fallen. :x

    Yeah, he's probably going to lose California for that reason. He just has to keep it close there...win the small states...win Illinois and Georgia big...win Connecticut and maybe Mass.......Cali isn't the must-win that the media wants it to be, though it is important.

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  • PlushyCthulhuPlushyCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Slightly OT but can anyone explain the Washington State democratic primary? I've seen the date announced as Feb 9th, but that didn't match what Thanatos was saying, and digging deeper it just gets weird. As far as I can tell :

    Feb 9th - Precinct Caucus - sends delegates to a "legislative district caucus" and a county convention
    Feb 19th - State Primary - just for show, no delegates sent
    April 5th - Legistative District Caucus - sends delegates to Congressional District Caucuses
    April 19thish - County Conventions - sends delegates to State Convention
    May 15th - Coungresional District Caucuses - sends 51 delegates to National Convention
    June 14th - State Convention - sends 46 delegates to National Convention

    Seriously, a four month lag time between my participation in a caucus and actual delegate determination? And two paths and three layers of obfuscation? Am I missing something or is Washington just dumb?

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hell yeah Nader, you show those bastards. Get in there.

    <_<

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