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Tell them to leave Britney Spears alone already!

TournesolTournesol Registered User new member
edited February 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Just today, I saw a headline about Britney being committed again and thought "let's see what mud they're slinging at the poor girl now". Apparently her mother had called the police, affraid that she might kill herself. While saving a life is as important as an assignment ever is, the police overacted, inavoidably attracting media attention. First they sent 4 cars and a helicopter, then a van and two undercover cars, then 15 motorcycles! Do anybody think that such an excessive display helped her one bit?

This is just the last of several cases where she's had her problems put under a huge spotlight for the world to see. Is it any wonder that she's messed up when her every mistake or personal tragedy is treated as breaking news with sympathy and respect rarely present?

Britney Spears is a singer. If you do a story about her, do one about her (crappy IMO but that's beside the point) music. Her private life is just that: private.

Do you know anybody employed in the media, tabloid or otherwise? Then let them know how horrible you think this feeding frenzy is.

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Bah. I don't really do the tabloid thing or follow celebrity gossip (in general), but I really don't much care about protecting the privacy of public figures (which celebrities are). Giving up some measure of your privacy is, as far as I'm concerned, one of the costs of celebrity...it's part of the tradeoff for having a gazillion dollars in the bank. If you don't want paparazzi following you and E! reporting on it every time you go into rehab, then when a record company or studio offers you a pile of cash to record an album or do a movie, turn it down.

    This is true. There is a price to be paid for fame.

    However, I will never admit to the mode of thinking that there's nothing wrong with papparazzi following your every fucking move, or having every event of your life broadcast on National Television.

    I mean, honestly. I hate this for two reasons; One, it's extremely rude and I'm sure excessive press and the pressure of hollywood don't do wonders for a human psyche. Two... aren't we still in Iraq? Any news on Bin Laden? Any report on what Bush is going to pull next before he leaves office? Is it really necessary for Brittney Spears, Micheal Richards, Mel Gibson, and other celebrities who fucked up, to take precedence over actual news?

    I pine for a time when news is news, and not mindless gossip with no bearing on serious world events.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I remember the first time I ever heard of Britney Spears.

    I walked into the commons room one day and, according to FOX, to which the tele was tuned, it was "BREAKING NEWS" that she decided to shave her head.

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  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Cant we just give her a gun so the sad mockery that has become minute 15 of her fame can at least go out with a bang?

    Less serious though, our celebrities are our royalty. They pay for the fame with attention. Be it good or bad. Personally if i was being followed around id just have people stalk my stalkers, and put their dirty laundry on billboards.

    Or hey, just ignore it. Frankly half the problem is their attention whoring. Work your ass off to get all eyes on you, then cry when they start pointing out the stupid crap you do.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    While I loathe the people that enable the continuation of the paparazzi with the consumption of tabloid magazines and TV shows moreso than I do the actual vultures themselves, there is something to be said of inviting that kind of negative attention to oneself.

    There's lots of bad shit going around Hollywood. Hell, someone recently dug up an old anecdote from Jason Lee a few years back where he recalled being offered coke by Heath Ledger, and now it's suddenly relevant. But even most people who decide to do destructive things to themselves have the propriety and common sense to keep it private. Concordantly, that way, things like Ledger's death come as a complete shock to the mainstream despite the fact that anyone that knew him personally saw it coming.

    Britney, for lack of a lazier term, is a train wreck. And as train wrecks go, it's one of the best kinds. Most people just try to retain their dignity and put the wheels back on the right track. But with Britney, not only is she driving a train wreck, but the train is on fire, it's lost all its cars, the crew has jumped off, the train has derailed, it's now hitting cars on the highway, and the conductor just keeps telling people, "I'm fine, y'all."

    Britney's biggest crime (other than, you know, her actual crimes) is her complete and uncontrollable lack of self-awareness. But now that she's an adult with adult responsibilities, it's been extrapolated to the point where she's actually a danger to herself and others, simply because she honestly doesn't have the good sense to know good from bad, right from wrong. She's the personification of the mythological fourth tier of Freudian psyche: the Super Id.

    And in a world run by rules and laws, responsibilities and repercussions, the Super Id that is unable to satisfy itself will eventually destroy itself.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Detharin wrote: »
    Less serious though, our celebrities are our royalty. They pay for the fame with attention. Be it good or bad. Personally if i was being followed around id just have people stalk my stalkers, and put their dirty laundry on billboards.

    Or hey, just ignore it. Frankly half the problem is their attention whoring. Work your ass off to get all eyes on you, then cry when they start pointing out the stupid crap you do.

    There's a difference between basking in attention and having people follow you everywhere you go. These celebrities get paid alot of money to sing or make movies, not be hounded with every move they make.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    These celebrities get paid alot of money to sing or make movies, not be hounded with every move they make.

    It seems that the paparazzi are more likely to doggedly hound someone who is a total imbecile and relatively unworthy of the riches they've gained selling soulless music/movies/television.

    Ergo, that's why you see Britney, Lindsey, and Jessica Simpson on every front page instead of, say, Elvis Costello or Don Cheadle.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    These celebrities get paid alot of money to sing or make movies, not be hounded with every move they make.

    It seems that the paparazzi are more likely to doggedly hound someone who is a total imbecile and relatively unworthy of the riches they've gained selling soulless music/movies/television.

    Ergo, that's why you see Britney, Lindsey, and Jessica Simpson on every front page instead of, say, Elvis Costello or Don Cheadle.

    Also Don Cheadle and Elvis Costello don't look good in skimpy outfits. Actually I take that back about Don.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The more motorcycles you send, the less likely they are to kill themselves. I read that in a Deepak Chopra book once. Or something.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The paparazzi is the worst thing ever

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Zzulu wrote: »
    The paparazzi is the worst thing ever

    The paparazzi is a symptom, not the disease.

    They certainly aren't blameless, but neither are the celebrities who court the conduit when it suits them nor the public who consume this irrelevance masquerading as news.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I blame God for creating all these stupid people.



    In all seriousness, I have less respect for the paparazzi who is doing negative stuff for personal gain than a celebrity who is mostly doing positive public work (entertainment) for personal gain. I do blame the public for being idiots, though, and providing the mouth easily fed by all this bullshit, this culture.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    In all seriousness, I have less respect for the paparazzi who is doing negative stuff for personal gain than a celebrity who is mostly doing positive public work (entertainment) for personal gain. I do blame the public for being idiots, though, and providing the mouth easily fed by all this bullshit, this culture.

    But that ignores the celebrities who court media attention when they want something. Like publicity for their upcoming album/movie or $1.5Mill for exclusive photo rights of their wedding. Neither of which they would bother doing if the public weren't so cockhungry for celebrity gossip. Of course, the paparazzi play an unpleasant and unforgivable role but all three groups are at the very least equally to blame. The paparazzi are certainly the most passive of the three though, they only do it because the celebrities willingly give to them and because the public so eagerly demands the stuff, even if on the surface it looks like it's the paparazzi who are the ones running around chasing down the photographs and digging around for the dirt. The paparazzi is an ancillary phenomenon which simply wouldn't exist without the mainstream and voluntary celebrity/media/consumer three-way circle-jerk.

    It doesn't excuse them for their behavior at all, it's just ridiculous to lay the blame solely at their feet. You don't enjoy a runny nose, but you don't blame it for feeling ill.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    In all seriousness, I have less respect for the paparazzi who is doing negative stuff for personal gain than a celebrity who is mostly doing positive public work (entertainment) for personal gain. I do blame the public for being idiots, though, and providing the mouth easily fed by all this bullshit, this culture.

    But that ignores the celebrities who court media attention when they want something. Like publicity for their upcoming album/movie or $1.5Mill for exclusive photo rights of their wedding. Neither of which they would bother doing if the public weren't so cockhungry for celebrity gossip. Of course, the paparazzi play an unpleasant and unforgivable role but all three groups are at the very least equally to blame. The paparazzi are certainly the most passive of the three though, they only do it because the celebrities willingly give to them and because the public so eagerly demands the stuff, even if on the surface it looks like it's the paparazzi who are the ones running around chasing down the photographs and digging around for the dirt. The paparazzi is an ancillary phenomenon which simply wouldn't exist without the mainstream and voluntary celebrity/media/consumer three-way circle-jerk.

    Uhm, no, I think I specifically stated that celebrities do this "for personal gain." I don't think I'm ignoring that at all. Entertainment has positive societal benefits. I think our system of celebrity is flawed, but fundamentally the idea of "entertainment," which celebrity is one element of, is a positive thing.

    So, in my opinion, paparazzis contribute very little positive. They are, in general, very slimy, gross people. Even the people they provide entertainment to know this and resent them while they eat up the shit they peddle. Be that as it may, they directly damage. Celebrity doesn't, at least not directly. Perhaps by existing they do, and perhaps the public's "need" for gossip indirectly does as well, but paparazzis are worthy of my full scorn for directly going and making people miserable.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Paparazzi culture is very invasive, but there are a number of celebrities who are known for being very private. Willingness to play the loser’s game is at least part of the equation.

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  • darthmixdarthmix Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I think it's Brad Pitt or someone who's trying to sponsor a bill that would make it illegal for paparazzi to target the children of celebrities or anyone else under 18. I guess I could get behind that in spirit though he's probably SOL from a constitutional perspective.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Celebrities would still entertain without them courting the media in the way they do though. At least, the celebrities who are famous for actually doing stuff, like music or acting or sport. Plenty of celebrities still manage to produce good albums, good films and good performance on the field without being perpetual media whores. It may seem like the paparazzi take all the initiative in collecting celebrity gossip but the reality is that it is more often released and controlled by the celebrities and their agents (for example, 'leaking' the location where a celebrity is partying to manufacture publicity for themselves and perhaps even as part of a deal with the owners of the venue they are at etc.). I suppose the celebrities who do nothing but 'be famous' and provide content for gossip magazines provide a sort of entertainment, but I'm not convinced it's the sort that provides a positive benefit to society.

    Although yes, I wish the paparazzi would just fucking stop because apart from anything else having valuable news-time chocked up with the minutiae of these worthless peoples' lives is irksome.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Celebrities would still entertain without them courting the media in the way they do though. At least, the celebrities who are famous for actually doing stuff, like music or acting or sport. Plenty of celebrities still manage to produce good albums, good films and good performance on the field without being perpetual media whores. It may seem like the paparazzi take all the initiative in collecting celebrity gossip but the reality is that it is more often released and controlled by the celebrities and their agents (for example, 'leaking' the location where a celebrity is partying to manufacture publicity for themselves and perhaps even as part of a deal with the owners of the venue they are at etc.). I suppose the celebrities who do nothing but 'be famous' and provide content for gossip magazines provide a sort of entertainment, but I'm not convinced it's the sort that provides a positive benefit to society.

    I think you are conflating "paparazzi" and "media." Paparazzi may be a part of the media, but the media is larger than just the paparazzi.

    So to sum up: Celebrities using the media-in-general to promote? A-ok. Paparazzis invading every nook and cranny they can fit their camera in? A-not-ok. At least in my book.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I've always been confused a little about the Paparazzi. I've on multiple occasions (not even looking for it) seen footage of them swarming a car with their cameras. Isn't that illegal or something?

    I mean if a bunch of my friends surrounded a car and refused to move wouldn't we get arrested or something?

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I always thought it strange that you could be so legally invasive

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Celebrities would still entertain without them courting the media in the way they do though. At least, the celebrities who are famous for actually doing stuff, like music or acting or sport. Plenty of celebrities still manage to produce good albums, good films and good performance on the field without being perpetual media whores. It may seem like the paparazzi take all the initiative in collecting celebrity gossip but the reality is that it is more often released and controlled by the celebrities and their agents (for example, 'leaking' the location where a celebrity is partying to manufacture publicity for themselves and perhaps even as part of a deal with the owners of the venue they are at etc.). I suppose the celebrities who do nothing but 'be famous' and provide content for gossip magazines provide a sort of entertainment, but I'm not convinced it's the sort that provides a positive benefit to society.

    I think you are conflating "paparazzi" and "media." Paparazzi may be a part of the media, but the media is larger than just the paparazzi.

    So to sum up: Celebrities using the media-in-general to promote? A-ok. Paparazzis invading every nook and cranny they can fit their camera in? A-not-ok. At least in my book.

    No, I think I was making a distinction. The paparazzi is a tool of the media. And yeah, I find the whole sordid deal pretty reprehensible as well, I just don't think that anyone involved in it has the moral highground. Only those not involved can claim any moral superiority in the matter and it's our opinion that the whole bunch of them should just die. We're going to need the extra space what with all this global warming.

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  • zakkielzakkiel Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    I blame God for creating all these stupid people.



    In all seriousness, I have less respect for the paparazzi who is doing negative stuff for personal gain than a celebrity who is mostly doing positive public work (entertainment) for personal gain. I do blame the public for being idiots, though, and providing the mouth easily fed by all this bullshit, this culture.

    The paparazzi and celebrities are both providing entertainment for personal gain. You just don't happen to enjoy the entertainment paparazzi provide.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Look. Ever since Anna Nicole the new trend is Celebrity Suicide. Don't you guys see that this is all a pre-ordained thing, the media is TRYING to kill Brittney. It's their endgame. Heath Ledger was on to them, so they took him out. I mean if the guy really, really wanted to kill himself do you think he would do it naked in mary kate olsens apartment?


    We need to make a stand now before the next reality show is Celebrity Suicide.

    edit: wait, nevermind, let it happen

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    zakkiel wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    I blame God for creating all these stupid people.



    In all seriousness, I have less respect for the paparazzi who is doing negative stuff for personal gain than a celebrity who is mostly doing positive public work (entertainment) for personal gain. I do blame the public for being idiots, though, and providing the mouth easily fed by all this bullshit, this culture.

    The paparazzi and celebrities are both providing entertainment for personal gain. You just don't happen to enjoy the entertainment paparazzi provide.

    I covered this in a later post. Go ahead and read that one and get back to me.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2008
    I loathe celebrity culture.

    I guess that's it.

    Though it's handy that Frankie follows that shit on trivia night.

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  • CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    It's easy to pretty much have the paparazzi ignore you if you so choose. Is there any good reason for her to live where she does for instance? Try moving out of LA, they're still around other places but you wouldn't have 50 surrounding your car all the time. Plenty of stars never show up in tabloids.

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'm not saying the paparazzi are in the right, but some celeb's do egg it on.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2008
    Britney Spears isn't a singer nor any other form of musician, she's a product. By her own will. I have no sympathy for her.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I was listening to some morning zoo radio one time. They keep on talking about how she's ugly now. As far as I can tell she looks the same as she always did, but they like to jump on whatever they can. Once the people started calling in I remembered why I avoided morning radio.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Cabezone wrote: »
    It's easy to pretty much have the paparazzi ignore you if you so choose. Is there any good reason for her to live where she does for instance? Try moving out of LA, they're still around other places but you wouldn't have 50 surrounding your car all the time. Plenty of stars never show up in tabloids.

    Seriously, these people wouldn't be surrounded by cameras if they were fucking normal. Jack Nicholson takes his millions and buys a big house with a roofed-in everything, writes fuck you cameramen on top of it, and hires security to keep them away, until they just "get the idea". Maybe if Brad and Angelina didn't collect foreign kids like beanie babies and go around the world doing weird shit, or maybe if lindsey lohan didn't do blow and suck dick in the bathroom of an applebees then the cameras wouldn't follow her around all day.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Dynagrip wrote: »
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    WHO IS DRIVING? BRITNEY IS DRIVING! OMG, HOW CAN THIS BE?! *THUD*

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  • waterloggedwaterlogged Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Cabezone wrote: »
    It's easy to pretty much have the paparazzi ignore you if you so choose. Is there any good reason for her to live where she does for instance? Try moving out of LA, they're still around other places but you wouldn't have 50 surrounding your car all the time. Plenty of stars never show up in tabloids.

    Seriously, these people wouldn't be surrounded by cameras if they were fucking normal. Jack Nicholson takes his millions and buys a big house with a roofed-in everything, writes fuck you cameramen on top of it, and hires security to keep them away, until they just "get the idea". Maybe if Brad and Angelina didn't collect foreign kids like beanie babies and go around the world doing weird shit, or maybe if lindsey lohan didn't do blow and suck dick in the bathroom of an applebees then the cameras wouldn't follow her around all day.

    Bingo.

    Also their are certain night clubs you know the paparazzi stalk, and certain areas they camp out at.

    Plenty of a-list actors/singers do not have this problem, because they don't go to those places and act like idiots.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    The counter argument to that is 'is it ok to break into someones house and steal their TV just because they left their door open?'

    The reason this counter-argument is flawed is that celebrities intentionally seek out the publicity. They want to be photographed pissing their pants in the alley behind the Bongo Club because it increases their ratings.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    wait for britney to do something
    take a pic
    profit

    she increases tabloid sales, her doing stuff employs paparazzi, she's pretty valuable to gawker and defamer and tmz and whatnot. if pictures of her doing shit didn't increase sales then she probably wouldn't be featured so heavily. if headlines saying "bin laden still at large" or "us military still in iraq" actually sold newspapers or increased traffic to media outliet sites then that would be featured. although some paparazzi step over the line, you shouldn't blame them that a big portion of the public care more about the doings of celebrities then american foreign policy.

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  • widowsonwidowson Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Look. Ever since Anna Nicole the new trend is Celebrity Suicide. Don't you guys see that this is all a pre-ordained thing, the media is TRYING to kill Brittney. It's their endgame. Heath Ledger was on to them, so they took him out. I mean if the guy really, really wanted to kill himself do you think he would do it naked in mary kate olsens apartment?


    We need to make a stand now before the next reality show is Celebrity Suicide.

    edit: wait, nevermind, let it happen


    I know you were being farsical, but this might not be too far off. They think she might off herself or do something very self-destructive and they want to be right there when it happens.

    I think she needs to sell-off her houses, cars, and assets in holly-wood, stash it all in CDs, and go to bumfuck Montana for a few years to detox and get her head straight.

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    If they didn't think they could sell the story, they wouldn't follow it. Its never going to change or end until she does end up killing herself over it. Which is pretty terrible.

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  • GorakGorak Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    This whole thing is pathetic!

    Call that "going off the rails," Britney? Check out Amy Winehouse - that's how to do it properly.

    If you're going to implode, do it large.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    widowson wrote: »
    Look. Ever since Anna Nicole the new trend is Celebrity Suicide. Don't you guys see that this is all a pre-ordained thing, the media is TRYING to kill Brittney. It's their endgame. Heath Ledger was on to them, so they took him out. I mean if the guy really, really wanted to kill himself do you think he would do it naked in mary kate olsens apartment?


    We need to make a stand now before the next reality show is Celebrity Suicide.

    edit: wait, nevermind, let it happen


    I know you were being farsical, but this might not be too far off. They think she might off herself or do something very self-destructive and they want to be right there when it happens.

    I think she needs to sell-off her houses, cars, and assets in holly-wood, stash it all in CDs, and go to bumfuck Montana for a few years to detox and get her head straight.

    Heath Ledger comment aside, I really wasn't kidding. I think the media is cashing in on a new trend of celebrity suicide because the payoff is a lot better with minimal effort and I think they're driving spears to it. She's already fucked up, but when they throw themselves in front of her car, say she ran over their feet, and then call the cops and report her fleeing the scene of an accident, when she's already fucked in the head, they're just icing the cake.

    The media is going to kill her, just like they killed Anna Nicole. Heath died this year, so that will be 2. They can run two deaths for six months a piece and really not have to do shit else the rest of the year except start working on their next target.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2008
    Amateurhour, consider that Britney is part of the media. Consider that when her name shows up in the tabloids, people go out and buy her CDs. Consider that she was never an artist in the first place. I have a hard time believing she's not complicit in this shit.

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