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HD-DVD officially dies, High Def Disc war over
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Or you know, one of the studios actually not complying with everyone else and selling their films to keep, making retarded amounts of money while everyone else struggles trying to make 'rentals' the standard.
Yes, that would be far more likely.
Worse case scenario of all players in the market offering only draconian rental services would turn a lot of people to piracy was what I was saying.
No, it's not. The studios would kill to get a system like that in place, so the only thing holding them back is public acceptance. Right now the public won't accept that kind of system, but if pay-per-play were used in enough areas to get young people gradually used to it, they'll be more tolerant if the industry decides to take that route in the future.
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This really isn't my experience. Discs get scratched much more easily than hard drives fail. A ruined disc is useless, but even if you hard disk fails and you loose downloaded files, any decent service should let you redownload, and (assuming it is DRM free) you can back it up however many times you want, to a burnt disc, another computer, an external hard drive, and iPod, basically anything you want.
What the fuck?
There is a reason why the only thing holding them back is public acceptance. Because the public doesnt accept such a draconian and bullshit rule.
The day any studio anywhere tries to employ this kind of scheme is the day I pirate everything they produce.
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I was thinking more about hard drive space than failure, although having to redownload everything on failure is quite lame as well. It's just another drawback to online distribution with little benefits. Especially seeing as I can go to the store and buy a disc faster than I can download it, and usually in much better quality. I remember thinking my 30g ipod was insanely large when I bought it, and now it's tiny. I'm sure the same thing will happen to 1 TB drives, etc. It may not take more than a few days to deal with, but it's a lot of hassle when with physical media I can just pop it in and play.
I seriously don't understand how people scratch DVDs, except via hardware failures. I am lazy and leave discs out sometimes, and have never scratched any discs. Maybe it's just because I am a childless nerd. Not that I'm implying it's impossible or anything, I just don't know how it happens.
When the F are we gonna get widescreen display for our widescreen TV's.
That's bullshit.
Uh that definitely would have changed things seeing as how the 360 has sold a fuckton.
....and it might not have done had it been more expensive to cover the cost of a HD-DVD drive...?
What the public is willing to accept changes; you're naive if you think it doesn't. Standards evolve (or devolve in some cases), because standards are based on what people are used to and what they consider to be "normal". All it takes is for something to creep into common practice, little by little. Hell, XBLM is already an example of this approach, and the more services like this you see, the less people will object to "renting" everything.
Also, "the day" they try to employ that scheme? You should get to pirating, because they've already tried it. Remember DivX?
Studios are always looking for ways to make more money on things people have already bought, and they'll do it in any sneaky, underhanded way they can find. DVD double-dipping is an example of this, and the studios know it (and by the way, do you think it's an accident that the vast majority of Blu-ray releases are pretty barebones right now?).
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Even still it wouldn't have been that much more. And look at the PS3, yes it may not be the best selling console right now, but it has helped Blu-Ray win.
Is that a metric fuckton or an imperial fuckton?
It's a shame, I received a depressingly cheerful, chin-up, stiff upper lip email from one of my buddies at Toshiba today. But they're moving on and they've got flat panels to sell.
I think more than a few champagne corks were popped by the PlayStation division around 5:15 in Japan yesterday. With good reason.
Yeah, and it cost the PS3 the console war. Remember the $600 price tag?
Yeah cause the only PS3 you can get is $600.
I know I said I was hopping on a plane to GDC, but I lied. I'm an hour off, so one more post for me!
Anyways, personal experiences can vary. I agree that it's a pain in the ass taking the time to burn things to a physical medium. I have a large collection of anime that I try to archive, and it's always a chore. I would love to be able to upload them all to "the cloud" (a fancy term for storing things online in some massive server farm), and be able to download them whenever and wherever I want.
Sure, it might take a long time to download your collection of purchased movies. But you can work around it: do it while you're sleeping, or at work, or at school. Another example: schedule your 360/PC/Tivo/Apple TV/etc. to download a show/movie from your office or school PC, so that it's all ready for you when you get home.
Another benefit to not dealing with physical media ... all your stuff is in one place. One reason why mp3/iTunes/etc. is so popular is because you can browse your collection without having to look for and swap CDs. Obviously you're much more likely to do that with music than say movies, but I do think it applies to some degree. Heck, I wish I had it for games! I know a bunch of people that love Live Arcade/PSN/Virtual Console games because they're just there, and you don't have to get up and swap discs, etc. Never underestimate the power of laziness.
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I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that at least HD-DVD would have stayed alive a bit longer if the 360 came with an HD-DVD player in it
...except Sony doesn't own Blu-ray. They don't dictate the format. It's a board of different companies. Some of these include:
Apple
Dell
HP
Hitachi
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic
Pioneer
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Sun Microsystems
TDK
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney
Warner Bros
Keep in mind that if the 360 came with an HD-DVD player, it would have bumped up the cost of the unit. Would it have sold just as many then? Hard to tell. Someone needs to travel to the alternate dimension where this happened and let us all know how that turned out.
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Yes we know thats already been mentioned
In case you havent noticed the console war is ongoing and barely entering its second full year for 2 of the 3major participants... and the PS3 actually seems to have benefitted from the addition of blu ray.
All kidding aside though, I seem to agree with the general consensus...the price point for players needs to fall down to where HD-DVD players are now for Joe Walmart to begin adopting. I'm more interested in digital distribution though...solid media is so 20th century.
I'm a little bitter that BR won...but I've got my 360 addon, Serenity, Blade Runner, and the 10 free movies I got with the addon so I'll survive.
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It's generally attributed to the lolsony factor.
That utter bollocks aside; when HD-DVD launched they had: Integrated storage in the player for bookmarks, ethernet in every player and an interactive language that was easy to program for. Sony's caught up with BD2.0... and the fact that PS3 is one of the most capable and upgradable players out there means nothing but good things for the big S.
And the great anti-scratch and anti-fingerprint surfacing. You can take steel wool and knives to it without leaving a scratch.
And there's nothing inferior about it in comparison to HD-DVD. Both sides have had some bad encodes. When there were multi-format releases for a movie in the past, sometimes HD-DVD would look a little better. Sometimes the Blu-ray version would look a little better. Blame lazy studios if an encode doesn't look as good as it could. Stardust on HD-DVD, for instance, looks little better than the DVD counterpart. There have been plenty of movies on both sides where this was the case.
Just as a side note, it's funny that the people who don't own or have seen an HD format to its potential are the ones to criticize it the most. It's the same for any product.
I also think he was joking....
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Is this actually true? It'd have to be a damned hard surface, we're talking near-diamond. Sounds like infommercial stuff to me.
Still, if it does a good job of protecting against dust and scratches from common surfaces/fingernails/etc, I'll be happy.
Yes, he was, but it doesn't change the fact that at launch HD-DVD was indeed a superior format. It highlights how malleable the industry is now; only five years ago the thought of a firmware upgrade was miles from anyone's minds - it was done to computer motherboards with trepidation and fear to fix bugs. Now a good 50% of consumer electronics feature an upgradable feature set that can grow after purchase. You can't simply buy the PS3 and review it... you have to re-evaluate your purchase every two - to - six weeks.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well, just like games, the ability to patch the item means that publishers/manufacturers feel comfortable shipping products in beta (or in some extreme cases - alpha!). It does also mean that you can get DivX down the road... or new tabs in Xbox Live... or PlayStation Home.
It was a gamble when Sony integrated Blu-ray into the PS3. I said it a year ago and I'll say it, with some satisfaction again, that most people here didn't see or didn't want to see that they stacked the deck.
The initial price tag was a huge blow to what many expected to be a sure fire top selling system. They came out the door too late and too expensive and have been crawling out of that hole ever since.
And you know what caused both the delay and the high price? Bluray.
...and that can all be changed when some better games come out which is already happening
Different companies use different surfaces. TDK uses Durabis, while Sony and Panasonic use their own hard coating technologies. And it really does work. It has to do with advancements with polymer. A screw driver won't put a scratch into it. So luckily, if the disc is bouncing around loose in a case or drops or something, you won't have to worry.
What, these games will tear a whole in spacetime and release the PS3 a year earlier at a lower price point?