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UT3 news -- Epic's President admits to UI being f*cked

PugnatePugnate Registered User regular
edited February 2008 in Games and Technology
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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Pugnate wrote: »

    The UI isn't all THAT awful...

    But yeah, it isn't the best by far.

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  • xraydogxraydog Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Can't they just patch it to fix it?

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    They already have patched it up a bit.

    Basically the main problem is the filters for finding a specific server isn't that great, and choose some mutators and other options like that for single player instant matches can be tricky.

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  • ShujaaShujaa Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    UT3 was released as an unfinished game to meet the PS3 deadline and with a consolified, backwards UI? The fans have been saying this from day one.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I hate it when PC gamers winging about consoles ruining their games are vindicated.

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  • Dareth RamDareth Ram regular
    edited February 2008
    Designing good UI is a pain in the ass.

    What are some games with good, useable UI? The only thing I can think of is Smash Bros and the Wii channel interface.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    I hate it when PC gamers winging about consoles ruining their games are vindicated.

    Actually it was Epic's fault for wanting to do a simultaneous release and sucking at time planning.

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  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I will continue to smear Belgian waffles on my ceiling in rage until they fix it. Who's fault it is concerns not my tortured soul.

    Cool, though.

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  • ShujaaShujaa Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Ironically they may have been better served to delay their release, as it came under stiff competition which probably hurt its sales.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Shujaa wrote: »
    Ironically they may have been better served to delay their release, as it came under stiff competition which probably hurt its sales.

    Not only that, but by waiting a bit, they may have had some time to build up at least a little bit of hype for the thing.

    When UT3 was released like.. nobody even knew it.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    I hate it when PC gamers winging about consoles ruining their games are vindicated.

    Actually it was Epic's fault for wanting to do a simultaneous release and sucking at time planning.

    Right, and had there been no console port of UT3 this wouldn't have been an issue.

    I'm not saying that whining PC gamers would be rational, just that they would be somewhat vindicated by this.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    I hate it when PC gamers winging about consoles ruining their games are vindicated.

    I win!

    I will use this to rag on stupid PC/Console simultaneous development for years.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    I hate it when PC gamers winging about consoles ruining their games are vindicated.

    Actually it was Epic's fault for wanting to do a simultaneous release and sucking at time planning.

    Right, and had there been no console port of UT3 this wouldn't have been an issue.

    I'm not saying that winging PC gamers would be rational, just that they would be somewhat vindicated by this.

    The issue wasn't the console port

    the issue is they wanted the console port and the pc port in time for the holidays

    they should have just waited since they apparently spent like 5$ marketing it.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I just love that Cliffy B went on to say that PC gaming was fucked presumably because of UT3s piss poor sales.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    slash000 wrote: »
    Shujaa wrote: »
    Ironically they may have been better served to delay their release, as it came under stiff competition which probably hurt its sales.

    Not only that, but by waiting a bit, they may have had some time to build up at least a little bit of hype for the thing.

    When UT3 was released like.. nobody even knew it.

    Actually, I think this is a sort of a good thing. At this time, the FPS that is actually worth it to many people for the PS3 atm, is in fact UT3. Player made mods for the PS3, one of the best multiplayer experiences ever, as well as a really polished and masterful product. I mean polished product by the actual gameplay, which is much more important than a pretty UI. Certainly I would rather have a game where the gameplay and maps and everything has been play tested the hell out of, rather than a game where they made the UI the first priority.

    For the PC, well, it's always more or less been a cult following game. It's too fast to be widely accepted as a staple in the FPS line up, like Halo. And already there are some major mods in the work, even some that are already finished! Though yeah, there was hardly much hype.

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  • FiziksFiziks Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    For the PC, well, it's always more or less been a cult following game. It's too fast to be widely accepted as a staple in the FPS line up, like Halo. And already there are some major mods in the work, even some that are already finished! Though yeah, there was hardly much hype.

    Halo was ported to the PC, and has pretty much died out as far as multiplayer following goes. To call the UT series a cult following, are you mad? The original was named Game of the Year by a handful of publications (hence, UT GOTY edition). UT and Q3 were pretty much the staple of online FPS gaming, fast paced fragging. The fact that UT3 came out, and even some avid UT players had no idea, has got be a sign that there is something wrong.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    UT3 was a complete failure of advertising. That's the beginning and end of the story about why it didn't sell very well.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Fiziks wrote: »
    For the PC, well, it's always more or less been a cult following game. It's too fast to be widely accepted as a staple in the FPS line up, like Halo. And already there are some major mods in the work, even some that are already finished! Though yeah, there was hardly much hype.

    Halo was ported to the PC, and has pretty much died out as far as multiplayer following goes. To call the UT series a cult following, are you mad? The original was named Game of the Year by a handful of publications (hence, UT GOTY edition). UT and Q3 were pretty much the staple of online FPS gaming, fast paced fragging. The fact that UT3 came out, and even some avid UT players had no idea, has got be a sign that there is something wrong.

    Not everyone appreciates how fast UT3 is, nor how expert the players can be. Unlike Halo, which seemingly everyone and their mother has played, and I called it a cult following title because it has became that way. The mainstream is more focused on Gears 2 than on UT3, for example. What does that say about it's popularity?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    It says they didn't fucking advertise it.

    And if your talking about how "fast" and "expert" people can be, why don't you pull up the numbers for Counter-Strike?

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  • Resident0Resident0 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'm tempted to get UT3 on the PS3, however i'm not sure if it will be a game that will have a decent fanbase, or a one month wonder that everyone will buy and then play about 4 weeks then never touch again because GTA4 or something is out.

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  • FiziksFiziks Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Not everyone appreciates how fast UT3 is, nor how expert the players can be. Unlike Halo, which seemingly everyone and their mother has played, and I called it a cult following title because it has became that way. The mainstream is more focused on Gears 2 than on UT3, for example. What does that say about it's popularity?

    Yes, but you were referring to how UT has become a cult following on the PC, which is just false.:| UT, Q3, and CS were the holy trinity of PC FPS gaming arguably.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Fiziks wrote: »
    For the PC, well, it's always more or less been a cult following game. It's too fast to be widely accepted as a staple in the FPS line up, like Halo. And already there are some major mods in the work, even some that are already finished! Though yeah, there was hardly much hype.

    Halo was ported to the PC, and has pretty much died out as far as multiplayer following goes. To call the UT series a cult following, are you mad? The original was named Game of the Year by a handful of publications (hence, UT GOTY edition). UT and Q3 were pretty much the staple of online FPS gaming, fast paced fragging. The fact that UT3 came out, and even some avid UT players had no idea, has got be a sign that there is something wrong.

    Not everyone appreciates how fast UT3 is, nor how expert the players can be. Unlike Halo, which seemingly everyone and their mother has played, and I called it a cult following title because it has became that way. The mainstream is more focused on Gears 2 than on UT3, for example. What does that say about it's popularity?

    I think it's all explained with the UT3 trailer for 360.

    "from the studio that brought you Gears of War!"

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Wow, an Unreal game sucks, better pile up the sandbags so all the Q III fanboys don't overwhelm this thread.


    Man those were the days. Now Unreal sucks and Q III is free.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Resident0 wrote: »
    I'm tempted to get UT3 on the PS3, however i'm not sure if it will be a game that will have a decent fanbase, or a one month wonder that everyone will buy and then play about 4 weeks then never touch again because GTA4 or something is out.

    Actually, I am surprised. I played it at a friends house and the controls feel pretty damn good and there were plenty of servers and players.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Wow, an Unreal game sucks, better pile up the sandbags so all the Q III fanboys don't overwhelm this thread.


    Man those were the days. Now Unreal sucks and Q III is free.

    just because somethings free doesn't mean it sucks any less ;-)

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    UT3 is actually a very fun game. The UI is pretty sad though, and it really is just a rehash of the other UT games, but it is fun to play and very pretty to look at.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Wow, an Unreal game sucks, better pile up the sandbags so all the Q III fanboys don't overwhelm this thread.


    Man those were the days. Now Unreal sucks and Q III is free.

    just because somethings free doesn't mean it sucks any less ;-)

    This is what I'm talking about! Woo hoo!

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The problem with UT3 is that it's UT2k4...with prettier graphics (that and nobody knew it was release when it did got released).

    Honestly there's no point to the prettier graphics, because the people who play competitive on it will turn the graphics all the way down anyways.

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  • ShujaaShujaa Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The problem with UT3 is that it's UT2k4...with prettier graphics (that and nobody knew it was release when it did got released).

    I beg to differ, I played the shit out of UT2K4 online from the day it was released, but I haven't been able to enjoy UT3 on nearly the same level.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Shujaa wrote: »
    The problem with UT3 is that it's UT2k4...with prettier graphics (that and nobody knew it was release when it did got released).

    I beg to differ, I played the shit out of UT2K4 online from the day it was released, but I haven't been able to enjoy UT3 on nearly the same level.

    Yeah, it feels quite different.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    slash000 wrote: »
    Shujaa wrote: »
    Ironically they may have been better served to delay their release, as it came under stiff competition which probably hurt its sales.

    Not only that, but by waiting a bit, they may have had some time to build up at least a little bit of hype for the thing.

    When UT3 was released like.. nobody even knew it.

    UT3's release was just an all-around clusterfuck. Pretty much for the reasons that you two just listed. I still wonder when developers/publishers are going to get a clue and realize that releasing 75% of games in the same two months is really bad for business.

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  • arod_77arod_77 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2008
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

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  • xraydogxraydog Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I've tried UT3 and I didn't notice anything particularly bad about the UI. What about the UI is it that's suppossed to be bad.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    xraydog wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.
    Well, that's the heart of the problem. When you take into account all the user generated content, UT2k4 is just the better game.

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    FreddyD wrote: »
    xraydog wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.
    Well, that's the heart of the problem. When you take into account all the user generated content, UT2k4 is just the better game.

    Have they released the UT3 editor yet? (don't know the proper name)

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    FreddyD wrote: »
    xraydog wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.
    Well, that's the heart of the problem. When you take into account all the user generated content, UT2k4 is just the better game.

    Have they released the UT3 editor yet? (don't know the proper name)
    Well, if the community isn't there no one will want to support it. Personally, I'd rather see them release UE2.0 as open source so people can make their own games.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    What? Shitty UI?

    I refrained from picking this up not because of a UI, but because of the incredibly similar content compared to older Unreal titles ...

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    xraydog wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.
    Well, that's the heart of the problem. When you take into account all the user generated content, UT2k4 is just the better game.

    Have they released the UT3 editor yet? (don't know the proper name)
    Well, if the community isn't there no one will want to support it. Personally, I'd rather see them release UE2.0 as open source so people can make their own games.

    The Quake III engine is open source now, and it's almost as good.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    xraydog wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    Who cares about Unreal anymore? Seriously?

    I do. The gameplay is really fun and I have a thing for over the top sci fi action. The UI isn't really a showstopper. Although I wish it had the number of options UT2k4 did. And more maps would be awesome.
    Well, that's the heart of the problem. When you take into account all the user generated content, UT2k4 is just the better game.

    Have they released the UT3 editor yet? (don't know the proper name)
    Well, if the community isn't there no one will want to support it. Personally, I'd rather see them release UE2.0 as open source so people can make their own games.

    They're not going to do that when they're still charging 500,000 - a million fucking dollars for 2.0

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