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zakkiel
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Sentence number 2 disproves sentence number 1. No one with APD is a good person. They may be good at appearing to be good people on short acquaintance, but they are all, without exception, assholes under any possible understanding of the word.Church wrote:I know quite a few psychopaths. Some of them are the absolute worst people I've ever met but most of them are actually some of the best. It's pretty offensive to imply that just because a psychopath is capable of using his lack of human empathy to harm others arbritrarily, he's going to.
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Oh, fuck you. If you treat other people with empathy, the fact that you aren't actually capable of empathising with them doesn't make you a bad person.
Actually, psychopathy is defined by hurting others and being a detriment to society. I think the word you're looking for isn't "psychopath".
Actually, since psychopath doesn't have a universally standard medical definition, I'm using the word psychopath with the widely accepted definition of "a person with APD".
you mean Antisocial Personality Disorder, the of which the DSM IV said "The essential feature for the diagnosis is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood"? A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others doesn't sound like it suggests a little bit more than you think it does.
In fact because his detachment seems to make him more benevolent.
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You could even theorize that without empathy, there would be no sadism. Where would be the 'fun' if you can't imagine how the other person feels?
Saying you know psychopaths and that they are nice people, defeats the whole definition of what a psychopath is. Someone diagnosed with APD has to show behaviour of deceit and manipulation.((((( We should also not forget that to be diagnosed with APD, you HAVE to have an earlier diagnosis of conduct disorder before the age of 15 (which makes you damn fucking nasty kid).)))))))
Three or more of the following symptoms have to be present to be diagnosed with APD according to the DSM:
You pick any three of those and tell me that's still a nice person.
edit: seems I remember wrong, it's just associated with having a conduct disorder as a kid, not a criteria for diagnosis. My apologies.
'Sociopath' was coined to be used in circumstances where the subject doesn't display the kind of violent or antisocial behaviour associated with psychopathy, but nonetheless demonstrates a lack of empathetic response or conscience. Various arguments claim that sociopaths are fairly common in polite society, and contrary to the 'antisocial' idea are often very gregarious & popular amongst people, whilst simultaniously not giving a toss about those people.
Remember that other thread where I said you have lost your humanity?
I rest my case.
I've never heard a definition that guarantees sociopaths aren't violent but it doesn't seem to be necessary. The core of the definition is someone who lacks empathy, remorse or sympathy. It's quite possible for a sociopath to fake these things well enough to blend in. I have no doubt there's more around than we think.
Remember that other thread where you decided that you were going to do something you acknowledged as being uncalled for and excessively hurtful because it would be more convenient for you than trying not to hurt people for no reason?
I rest your case too.
Yes, this would be a solid answer if psychopaths were created by their post infancy enviroment. As far as I'm aware (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), it is a condition that you're born with. Unless he's talking about sociopaths which are a product of their enviroment. Seriously this is an open and shut case. Psychopaths are deeply disturbed untreatable individuals. Church is wrong, full stop.
Don't know what the definition guarantees, but the term came into use to distinguish the 'they live among us' people who maneuver office politics from the killer psycho stereotype who go out and smash heads in.
Used car salesmen. Classic example.
Yes, the word 'antisocial' in a psychological context is almost completely unrelated to the way it's used colloquially. Calling someone antisocial is really more profound of a statement than most people realize.
Your AV makes this statement much more disturbing
Most medical authorities consider sociopathy and psychopathy to be either synonymous with APD or subtypes of it.
That test is scary accurate I tells ya
I know this is old, but this has got to be the dumbest statements I have ever read.
You are saying that because shooting people makes use of a gun, but you don't have to act on the impulse to use the gun, at which point the gun would be benign, than shooting people must also be benign.
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.
Your analogy is right up to the end.
If you don't use the gun, you aren't shooting anyone.
A gun is nothing more than an object.
Exactly! The definition of psychopathy was the disregard, and Church said that you don't have to act on a lack of empathy. When he was called on it, he produced that little gum.
I respect him, but I'm going to have to call him on a pui (posting under the influence).
Case Management at a mental health center. Basically, kids are either referred by the court, or a therapist for us to come into the home and work with them on basic social skills so they can remain in the community and avoid state hospitalization.
The person I'm thinking of had absolutely learned how to work the system. This person has basically physically assaulted every person to ever come in contact with them, and has been able to get away with it without going into further details.