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Vista on 360: Will it Happen?
Wildali
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This is something that I worry about, because it seems that Microsoft is in a position to allow themselves more money if they took that route. Think about it. The system has a hard drive already installed (or made available). There's a keyboard attachment for the controller. The mouse could easily be emulated by the 360 controller as well.
It would seem that MS could just release a streamlined, gutted version of Windows Vista for lessay...$79.99 at your local Best Buy. With USB ports, internet connectivity and a keyboard/mouse solution standard on all 360s, why wouldn't Vista on 360 be possible? Obviously an OS running on a console isn't impossible; just look at PS3 and its Linux platform. That's not really the point somuch as will MS consider releasing a 360 Vista kit somewhere down the line.
Im gonna get creative here and make some educated guesses. If Microsoft were to release MS Vista for the X360, it would greatly increase slagging Vista sales. There's also the possibility that it could destroy the PC gaming industry as we know it, but maybe it's time for a change on the PC front. Incompatible hardware and buggy software are common practice. Making the 360 a secondary alternative for good ol PC gaming could pay off handsomely. Who's to say that PC enthusiasts won't keep PC gaming around regardless of what happens?
There will always be enthusiasts on both sides who will unerringly back their chosen "team", but we've gotta look at the mainstream here. Vista on 360 could introduce a whole new generation of kids to classic PC games like Baldur's Gate and Total Annihilation. Y'know - kids who wouldn't dream of touching a PC because it's too nerdy or whatever.
And yes I know there are positives and negatives to releasing a functional Vista platform on the 360.
Pros:
*Greatly increase sales of Vista period.*
*Would almost certainly ensure Microsoft's dominance in the OS production industry. So many people would be using Vista that MacOS and Linux would most likely be relegated to second-tier forever.*
*Lower price tag and lack of PC hassle (upgrading, repairs, viruses) could bring in new blood for the OS.*
*Most likely would solve hardware compatibility issues instantly.*
*Would allow classic PC games that will never be released for 360 to be played on the system, if you wanted.*
*Could potentially allow for the installing of 360 games to HD for faster loading/startup.*
Cons:
*Some games would just flat out not work (nVidia cards only, certain soundcard required) and would never be patched to work.*
*Low bugdet gaming PC makers (Dell, HP, mom & pop cpu shops) could potentially be put out of business. Microsoft stands to gain all their customers, however.*
*Would kinda render PC to 360 ports useless. And while opening the X360 up to a TON of awesome indie projects, could also render XNA Creator Club useless as well (just make it for PC and advertise it more).*
*Could create some uhh...interesting conflicts of interest for MS (such as running Playstation/Nintendo emulators on the X360 and of course BitTorrent.*
*Speaking of BitTorrent, the possibility of 360 game piracy might increase A WHOLE LOT if security measures aren't put into play.*
These things would come up, but Microsoft should be adept in developing a Vista platform for X360 that would limit enough functionality to keep things in check. They could deny certain things like BitTorrent from installing. They could also strip out enough features of 360 Vista to make PC Vista still worth owning, but also to allow the 360 to get in on the action as well. Make it more of a media box like the PS3 and more competitive in the process.
It would seem that MS could just release a streamlined, gutted version of Windows Vista for lessay...$79.99 at your local Best Buy. With USB ports, internet connectivity and a keyboard/mouse solution standard on all 360s, why wouldn't Vista on 360 be possible? Obviously an OS running on a console isn't impossible; just look at PS3 and its Linux platform. That's not really the point somuch as will MS consider releasing a 360 Vista kit somewhere down the line.
Im gonna get creative here and make some educated guesses. If Microsoft were to release MS Vista for the X360, it would greatly increase slagging Vista sales. There's also the possibility that it could destroy the PC gaming industry as we know it, but maybe it's time for a change on the PC front. Incompatible hardware and buggy software are common practice. Making the 360 a secondary alternative for good ol PC gaming could pay off handsomely. Who's to say that PC enthusiasts won't keep PC gaming around regardless of what happens?
There will always be enthusiasts on both sides who will unerringly back their chosen "team", but we've gotta look at the mainstream here. Vista on 360 could introduce a whole new generation of kids to classic PC games like Baldur's Gate and Total Annihilation. Y'know - kids who wouldn't dream of touching a PC because it's too nerdy or whatever.
And yes I know there are positives and negatives to releasing a functional Vista platform on the 360.
Pros:
*Greatly increase sales of Vista period.*
*Would almost certainly ensure Microsoft's dominance in the OS production industry. So many people would be using Vista that MacOS and Linux would most likely be relegated to second-tier forever.*
*Lower price tag and lack of PC hassle (upgrading, repairs, viruses) could bring in new blood for the OS.*
*Most likely would solve hardware compatibility issues instantly.*
*Would allow classic PC games that will never be released for 360 to be played on the system, if you wanted.*
*Could potentially allow for the installing of 360 games to HD for faster loading/startup.*
Cons:
*Some games would just flat out not work (nVidia cards only, certain soundcard required) and would never be patched to work.*
*Low bugdet gaming PC makers (Dell, HP, mom & pop cpu shops) could potentially be put out of business. Microsoft stands to gain all their customers, however.*
*Would kinda render PC to 360 ports useless. And while opening the X360 up to a TON of awesome indie projects, could also render XNA Creator Club useless as well (just make it for PC and advertise it more).*
*Could create some uhh...interesting conflicts of interest for MS (such as running Playstation/Nintendo emulators on the X360 and of course BitTorrent.*
*Speaking of BitTorrent, the possibility of 360 game piracy might increase A WHOLE LOT if security measures aren't put into play.*
These things would come up, but Microsoft should be adept in developing a Vista platform for X360 that would limit enough functionality to keep things in check. They could deny certain things like BitTorrent from installing. They could also strip out enough features of 360 Vista to make PC Vista still worth owning, but also to allow the 360 to get in on the action as well. Make it more of a media box like the PS3 and more competitive in the process.
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Also, why? Seems pretty pointless.
Yeah, I don't think you have to worry about this too much. A desktop operating system is the wrong thing for Microsoft to put on a console. Yes, they might be able to do it (memory would likely be an issue, as would disk storage space) but there's no real business reason to do it. Their current 360 OS works just fine and is a much better fit for the console market.
I also don't buy your claim that it would "greatly increase slagging Vista sales." Who's going to buy Vista for their 360? Why would you do this? And, as has been pointed out, the amount of 360 users who would buy Vista would not make up for any sales shortfall.
For Microsoft, trying to shoehorn in old games (that they didn't even develop!) into this sort of system doesn't make a lot of sense either. People aren't going to say, "Oh, I can play Baldur's gate on the 360 now!" and then go out and buy Vista for the 360. No, they'll borrow (or pirate) the game and play it on their PC.
Never happen, and you're crazy if you think it will. MS is dead set on keeping the 360 a closed platform. And for good reason.
I think you can let your mind rest easy on this one. I'd start worrying about Sony steering a asteroid to hit Nintendo's HQ instead.
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How can people on a gaming forum know so little about how CPUs work?
This is way too silly.
There many other things I'd rather work on than making Vista available on the 360. Not to mention that it opens up a huge can of worms, many of which you've already pointed out.
So, no.
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Why? Reggie would just stare it down anyway.
Maybe Final Fantasy 7 was allegory.
Have you read the OPs list of pros and cons for this? I'm not sure that lack of knowledge about CPUs is his biggest problem.
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Why not?
Sony vs. Nintendo + Asteroids.
Pretty much a no-brainer for me.
I started tearing the list apart, but I felt bad about it. It was like kicking a puppy. I did like the bit about how a Vista port to the 360 would "most likely would solve hardware compatibility issues instantly".
Ace, that.
No...
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Also, vista on 360 isn't going to happen.
I don't claim to have all the answers. I'm thinking more along the lines of consoles are easily starting to approach PC's graphic capability. When we hit that spot where graphics see consistant diminishing returns, consoles will be able to push the same graphics that a pimped-out PC can. Hell, we're nearly there already. Some would argue we are there; I disagree for now. Point is, when consoles can deliver what PCs deliver IN TOTAL, they're most likely on their way out.
If you could get Vista running on the XBox720 or whatever, you could probably keep PC gaming alive for a bit longer instead of the mass PC gamer migration that we will no doubt see come next-gen. Getting Vista working on a console would increase the PC game install base by virtue of Vista still being supported instead of relegated to second-tier niche market like we're seeing come to fruition.
I'm just saying. Get Vista on the 360's successor, if not on the 360 itself. Secure it, make it work somehow. You gotta give PC game developers some kinda reassurance to stay in the PC game market. Because if the PC market loses its hardcore gamer demographic, then the PC is doomed to fail in the US.
How's does that work? Sure a console can have the same visual effect just as you have on the PC (so graphics) but a console can't keep up a game load while a powerful PC can easily take it an then some. Lemme list an example:
Two Worlds on the 360 - when too much shit was happening at once, the game either slowed to a crawl or just froze outright.
Two Worlds on the PC - if you have a good PC, no problems running it at all - minus the fact that the game itself sucks ass.
So sure consoles can somewhat match the PC in graphics but not in load bearing.
Another point - if a console is made powerful enough to match the PC, a few weeks, a month down the road the PC will already by better anyways because new tech is always coming out that lets you upgrade them. Yes its expensive and not everyone is able to do it, but the option is still there. This also raises the fact that consoles are cheaper then the PC - yes this is true, but the PC can do a lot more.
Wait, what?
I think you have that backwards, buddy. First, let's pick a game that doesn't suck. Then, let's compare the console version to it running on an average computer. You'll find that the console version has been carefully optimized to run on a fixed hardware platform (unless, as with Two Worlds, it was designed and programmed by retarded monkeys), whereas the PC version will chug along with a low framerate and constant swapping to the hard disk if you try and run it on a computer that meets what the box jokingly considers "minimum hardware specifications".
Well, I guess that was a bad example since Two Worlds sucks so much ass, but anyways you'd also have to look at something else.
Half of the time when a game is made for the PC, when it gets converted to the console you have a good chance of it sucking and this also applies when going from the Console to the PC. Halo on the console, great. On the PC, not so much. Worms on the PC, great, on the Console, not so much (i'm just looking at my desktop atm =/).
Personally I think that some games are just better on one platform then on the other, but thats just me. And I still stand by the fact that a PC will handle better then a console, as long as its a good PC. I've seen plenty of games chugging on the console (not that it makes bad, unless its TW) and I just think some of them would of run fine on a computer.
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Lock this thread before I do something else stupid, it's hard to help myself.
So I find it somewhat hard to swallow when, say, Bethesda starts telling me "oh, yeah, you can't have HDR lighting without a Shader Model 3.0 graphics card. Just can't do it. It's unpossible. Not our fault. Get a better computer," and then I look over at my goddamn PS2, which, if my memory serves me right, has 32 whole megabytes of RAM, which is one thirty-second of what my PC has, and 4 megabytes of video RAM, which is one sixty-fourth of what my PC has, and see that Team Ico managed to get HDR lighting on that ancient thing.
edit: sometimes a thread with an abysmally stupid first post can somehow cling to life. It's weird.
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because Microsoft's home OS monopoly has been ever been in doubt at any point in the past twenty years.
But hey, making fun of the OP is so page 1.
So the PC is dying again?
Jesus fucking christ, I don't know how many times the PC has been declared dead or dying over the years and yet the corpse is still looking remarkably healthy. I've been a PC gamer since before the dinosaurs and every damn time a console is released, someone sticks their head up and says that the PC is surely doomed now. It's inevitable! Just look at what these consoles can do! When a console starts too approach the lifespan and software library of a PC, PM me.
I'm afraid that's pretty much all I have to say on the subject, but it was so important I felt it needed saying.
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Really? Is your life really so dull, boring and uneventful that this is something you worry about? Does it keep you awake at night? Do you sit there with the blinds closed, sweating, head in your hands with a nervous tick as you contemplate this issue?
Because really, this scenario, it's something you just pulled out your ass and if it's something you really worry about? Well, god help you when you arrive in the real world. I don't think your delicate mind will be able to handle some of lifes more pressing problems.
Are you worrying about this? Why not empty your fridge, climb inside and close the door behind you? You could tell the world your findings and sleep better afterwards.