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Environmental Terrorists make Greenhouse Gases out of "Green" Houses.
Bushido Hacks
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This is something that I really do not get.
Why would an environmental terrorist organization burn down houses (as large fires are a major contributor to "Greenhouse Gases" such as CO2) especially if they were made with environmentally friendly materials?
Logic seems to have taken a holiday. How can anyone state that they are trying to save the planet by helping to destroy it? O_o
Why would an environmental terrorist organization burn down houses (as large fires are a major contributor to "Greenhouse Gases" such as CO2) especially if they were made with environmentally friendly materials?
Logic seems to have taken a holiday. How can anyone state that they are trying to save the planet by helping to destroy it? O_o
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I have a feeling that the sabotage has more of a class based message than environmental one (only because of the McMansion comment in the article). Also, i have been to street of Dreams, and it is definitely high society, extremely self indulgent style living, regardless of how eco friendly the builders are. Thats the only sense i can see in this act.
Because if I think about it morally, they're 100% correct. The amount of CO2 that goes into a steak is so much less efficient than getting that food as grain/vegetables.
I disdain people that drive Hummers, is it right to disdain people for eating Veal?
Just an ethical issue I've been grappling with recently.
Or pro-lifers who are pro-war.
Radicals are often idiots.
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Eating veal is bad for its own reasons. Give me well-treated, grass-fed beef over tortured and weirdly-fed calf meat any day.
The green house gas issue can be solved in other ways. It doesn't particularly matter how so long as unethical behavior doesn't come out of it.
The Oklahoma City bombing, the Virginia Tech shooting, and others haven't stopped them, why would this. I hate to say it, but keep dreaming.
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There is no justification for making an animal suffer. But there doesn't seem to be a justification for saying that eating meat in and of itself is wrong.
Appealing to the bad consequences of eating meat ("feeding X cows Y amount of grain could have fed Z amount of humans" or the encouragement of torturous farm practices) is the most directly morally damming argument against eating meat that I can think of. CO2 is bad too, but why not put it in terms of killing humans?
Amen.
They're working really hard to fuck California up right now. I mean REALLY hard. And environmental lobbyists are the worst, because they HAVE to be full of shit to ensure they always have a job.
You have no idea how true this is. I work in environmental sciences in California (writing EIRs for development project, no less) and some of the stuff we have to deal with on the EIRs are completely idiotic. One group was so opposed to a project that they were try everything irrational to stop it, including trying to get the ephemeral drainage ditches to be declared as protected habitat for steel-head trout. What idiot is actually going to believe that an inch of water is viable habitat for a three-pound fish? I'm for legitimate protection of the environment, but don't pull this kind of crap. And this doesn't include the death threats we get sometimes.
― Marcus Aurelius
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Stuff like what Schwarzenegger is doing in California to get feel-good environmental stuff passed, going so far as to have government agents change their stories when in front of the proper cameras (regulation is suddenly cheaper when things go into official record than when they're just in front of the people who have to PAY for the regulation), people being fired and having to declare that they were fired because agents said "Oh, they quit of their own volition, politics had nothing to do with it!" and the installation of a yes-man in their place...
Captain Planet needs to kick the shit out of some environmentalists.
Making meat cheaper means more people can afford it, and that means less people go hungry.
I am against making animals suffer unnecessarily, or as a source of pleasure. But if a cheaper procedure that unfortunately is more painful is going to mean that fewer people will have to worry about putting food on their plates tomorrow, I'm all for it.
This of course is based on my underlying belief that the interests of humans are more important than the interests of animals.
Well it's in an animals own best interest as a species to be more useful to humans. We have basically ensured that cows will continue to exist as long as we do because they are damn useful.
O_o
Where did I say I was?
Oh wait, I didn't.
I mean, really... who turns OFF the video-surveillance system in a $2 million house?
Then again, maybe I just watch too much Law & Order
And I also added that while the savings do not make that big a difference for me, there are people for whom they would.
But hey, statements taken out of context are wonderful, are not they?
And the issue of helping the poor afford such things is rather easily solved by already existing food programs rather than continuing to clip beaks off chickens so they don't peck each other to death.
"Easily avoided"? Damn, could you get more ignorant about the subject please.
You do realize that a lot of existing food programs are either closing down because they can't afford the food (or their donors stop donating), or they are turning down people at the door because the food they can afford is extremely limited, right?
Fifty cents a pound is a lot of fucking money when you deal with aggregate amounts. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen sometime, or be part of a food donation program. You may understand what I mean.
And stop trying to turn this conversation into one about my person like you always do. It's getting old.
My point is this: a lot of this "lol no pain to animals!" crap is extremely short-sighted and god damn stupid. I'm sure it makes you people feel all noble and warm inside, but you can be sure that that warmth is not shared by people living under the poverty level. Which happens to be about 10% of the US population, btw, for whom it does matter when the price of meat products go up because it is too expensive for the producers to exercise painless methods to keep the chickens from pecking each other to death because some rich, feel-good activists lobbied for a retarded be-nice-to-animals-before-you-eat-them regulation.
I'm pretty sure that in nature most predators don't care about their food suffering before they die.
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@FireFlash: Predators are also pretty inhumane to each other. And in nature it's not uncommon for them to kill each other over a possible mate. Fortunately nobody is so stupid as to think we should actually imitate the habits of animals that cause injury, pain, and/or death to others. And if you think the practices of factory farming are acceptable because the animal will die in the end I honestly have to question your integrity as a person.
On this one, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Most predators will either kill the animal outright or poison/wound the animal so that it dies in due course. The exceptions off the top of my head are some insects which plant eggs within other animals, so they leave the other animal alive. Dogs and house cats which will sometimes toy with mice and birds and will kill things "just cause they can," but those are domesticated animals and aren't really predators in the classic sense.
I think humans are the only ones that get in fork lifts to toss cattle around.
People have to eat. Yeah, factory farming could be more humane, but that takes a back seat to feeding people and making a quick buck.
And we do imitate the habits of animals, we just tend to think that we're somehow above it.
Ege: *in VC's troll-voice* So you're implying that money grows on trees?
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I am of course all for raising funding on a lot of things. Unfortunately for you, military spending would be the first area where I'd cut the funds.
I just don't hold animals to the same rights and privileges a fellow human does. Animals raised as food are even lower on my care-o-meter. What does it change that a food-animal suffers a bit more or less before being slaughtered? It's already living a pretty short and shitty life. Them suffering a bit less actually makes a difference somewhere, somehow?
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Wait... define the difference to me. I had always taken enviromentalism to be a good thing. Of course radical crazies can mess it up, and I'm only assuming that's the distinction going on here, but I still feel... perplexed.
It's like how femi-nazis give feminists a bad name.
>.>
Right?
It's funny that you think the two suggestions are even remotely similar in any way beyond "ololz both have money".
So you're cool with bear baiting, cock fights, and bull fighting? All those things help galvanize the economy which is an immediate benefit to people.
And it's not a bit more suffering. There's a major difference between a pig being raised outside with food and water until the animal receives and unexpected bolt to the head and being raised in a metal pen with nineteen other pigs indoors with the floor usually covered in feces and then receiving a bolt to the head.
Just because you're always full of shit doesn't mean I'm trolling you, retard. You're seriously saying that allocating money to send literally every Drunky McFratass in the country to France for a year is somehow even remotely comparable to providing canned soup to people who can't afford even that much food.
Edit: Or you were just trolling me. That's the other possibility. And frankly the more likely one.
No I'm not cool with these animal "sports". That's just hurting them for the enjoyment of seeing them suffer. Maybe I just have some distorted morals towards animals. Show me a video of animals being skinned alive and hurt for "fun" and I'll feel bad for the animals but show me pigs stacked in a factory and I'll think pork chops.
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