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BioShock sequel announced

bruinbruin Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Games and Technology
http://savingprogress.com/bioshock-sequel-made-official/

Q4 2009

No platforms mentioned

Developed by the newly formed 2K Marin (2K Boston/2K Australia did BioShock)

No other details mentioned


I hope it's a prequel like has been rumored for a while now. Can't see what they could do after the ending of the first game.

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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    that's awfully fast development.

    EDIT: relative to the original, of course. and not to imply bad things.

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  • h8b1llg8tsh8b1llg8ts Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    So does that finally mean we'll see a price cut for the first one?

    I haven't seen a Adventure/FPS game last so long on the $59.99 price.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    defrag wrote: »
    that's awfully fast development.

    EDIT: relative to the original, of course. and not to imply bad things.

    2 years, especially from a different team, doesn't seem especially fast to me.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    h8b1llg8ts wrote: »
    So does that finally mean we'll see a price cut for the first one?

    I haven't seen a Adventure/FPS game last so long on the $59.99 price.

    $30 on Steam now if you're looking for the PC version

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  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I hope they take their time and think it through so it fits in with the original. I'd hate for them to just make a rubbish game to get some money.

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  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I hope they take their time and thin kit through so it fits in with the original. I'd hate for them to just make a rubbish game to get some money.

    Sadly, the odds of this being rubbish, given the precise aesthetic and plot stylings of the first and rapid turnaround time for this one, would seem overly high to me.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    bruin wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    that's awfully fast development.

    EDIT: relative to the original, of course. and not to imply bad things.

    2 years, especially from a different team, doesn't seem especially fast to me.

    The team was just formed recently so it isn't like they could have been working on the game for a while.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Too bad Ken Levine won't be involved

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    that's awfully fast development.

    EDIT: relative to the original, of course. and not to imply bad things.

    2 years, especially from a different team, doesn't seem especially fast to me.

    The team was just formed recently so it isn't like they could have been working on the game for a while.

    Still, it's not ridiculous for a game to be made in 2 years. Hell, Gears of War was made in less than a year.

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  • BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    bruin wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    that's awfully fast development.

    EDIT: relative to the original, of course. and not to imply bad things.

    2 years, especially from a different team, doesn't seem especially fast to me.

    The team was just formed recently so it isn't like they could have been working on the game for a while.

    Still, it's not ridiculous for a game to be made in 2 years. Hell, Gears of War was made in less than a year.

    It's worth mentioning that one of the reasons Bioshock took so long to develop was that they switched engines after developing a portion of the game, then turned the engine they switched to into something that hardly resembled the product they licensed.

    But, yeah. Having just finished Bioshock (Finally got a 360), I'm really looking forward to this. I just kind of hope Bioshock 2's (or whatever they call) story maintains it's integrity for the entire game.

    I'm really confused as to why they're putting a different team on the project, though.

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  • CymoroCymoro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    bruin wrote: »
    Developed by the newly formed 2K Marin (2K Boston/2K Australia did BioShock)

    what

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Cymoro wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Developed by the newly formed 2K Marin (2K Boston/2K Australia did BioShock)

    what

    "2K Offically Announces 2K Marin, New Studio Reportedly Formed by Ex-BioShock Staff."

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  • meatflowermeatflower Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Beck wrote: »
    I'm really confused as to why they're putting a different team on the project, though.

    Oh you know...so it'll be doomed to fail.

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  • CymoroCymoro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Zxerol wrote: »
    Cymoro wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Developed by the newly formed 2K Marin (2K Boston/2K Australia did BioShock)

    what, why are they going with another team?

    "2K Offically Announces 2K Marin, New Studio Reportedly Formed by Ex-BioShock Staff."

    Clarified what I meant.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I really want more Rapture... so this is good news.

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  • wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I read Levine is working on a new IP but am too lazy to dig up a source.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    They could succeed if they just took Bioshock, cut out the last bit, and changed some of the colors. Bingo, instant improvement.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It's the same staff, IIRC, but without Levine. As rumored by Surfergirl, none of the team ever wanted to work with him again or something.

    Honestly, while I appreciate Levine's work on the first game, I see no reason to believe that the lack of his involvement will influence the sequel greatly one way or the other.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    I really don't get the love for this game. It had some nice plot and atmosphere but the gameplay was entirely linear, the plasmids were relatively one note and the latter third of the game was just generic first person shooter mixed with pointless fetch mission. Thats without the promised but missing moral choice and ability to affect the progression of the game in any way other than being able to shoot or plasmid that guy.

    Not that I'm against a sequel as I still hold hopes for a game as good as SS2 but really, it gets way too much love and if they're working on a sequel, they need to understand that actual significant improvements need to be made to the gameplay instead of being led to believe that they can just rest on their laurels.

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I really don't get the love for this game. It had some nice plot and atmosphere but the gameplay was entirely linear, the plasmids were relatively one note and the latter third of the game was just generic first person shooter mixed with pointless fetch mission. Thats without the promised but missing moral choice and ability to affect the progression of the game in any way other than being able to shoot or plasmid that guy.

    Not that I'm against a sequel as I still hold hopes for a game as good as SS2 but really, it gets way too much love and if they're working on a sequel, they need to understand that actual significant improvements need to be made to the gameplay instead of being led to believe that they can just rest on their laurels.

    Really I loved it because the atmosphere, art direction, voice acting and overall environment of the game overshadowed the flaws you mentioned. If they don't correct the flaws in the second installment, it won't go over as well.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Too bad Ken Levine won't be involved

    I hope this turns out well.

    But experience says not to get my hopes up.
    Call of Duty without Infinity Ward, KotOR/NWN without Bioware, SimCity without Maxis, Bond without Rare, Guitar Hero without Harmonix, etc.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Too bad Ken Levine won't be involved

    I hope this turns out well.

    But experience says not to get my hopes up.
    Call of Duty without Infinity Ward, KotOR/NWN without Bioware, SimCity without Maxis, Bond without Rare, Guitar Hero without Harmonix, etc.

    Fuck you and the tube you rode in on.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Hopefully they make it actually fun to play, rather than relying too heavily on the atmosphere like the original did.

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  • parabolaparabola Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Cymoro wrote: »
    Zxerol wrote: »
    Cymoro wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Developed by the newly formed 2K Marin (2K Boston/2K Australia did BioShock)

    what, why are they going with another team?

    "2K Offically Announces 2K Marin, New Studio Reportedly Formed by Ex-BioShock Staff."

    Clarified what I meant.

    Sounds like minus Levine it is the same team, just a different studio.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Too bad Ken Levine won't be involved

    I hope this turns out well.

    But experience says not to get my hopes up.
    Call of Duty without Infinity Ward, KotOR/NWN without Bioware, SimCity without Maxis, Bond without Rare, Guitar Hero without Harmonix, etc.

    Fuck you and the tube you rode in on.

    I gave Obsidian the benefit of the doubt at first, until NWN 2 also turned out a buggy shitfest. Or was that somehow LucasArts' fault as well?

    I read Levine is working on a new IP but am too lazy to dig up a source.

    I heard it was X-Com.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Hopefully they make it actually fun to play, rather than relying too heavily on the atmosphere like the original did.

    Well the game did pretty well on atmosphere

    I sure as hell was enthralled

    For some reason I wasn't expecting any killer new game mechanic and exploring a really interesting environment and wrecking stuff with guns and magic hit the sweet spot.

    I think too many games try and do too much with bullshit 'innovation' and end up failing. Time manipulation, dinosaur wrestling, homosexual mercenaries etc...

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Hopefully they make it actually fun to play, rather than relying too heavily on the atmosphere like the original did.

    Well the game did pretty well on atmosphere

    I sure as hell was enthralled

    For some reason I wasn't expecting any killer new game mechanic and exploring a really interesting environment and wrecking stuff with guns and magic hit the sweet spot.

    I think too many games try and do too much with bullshit 'innovation' and end up failing. Time manipulation, dinosaur wrestling, homosexual mercenaries etc...

    Innovation wasn't the problem. Lack of meeting any benchmarks was. It just wasn't fun to play and once completed there was no real incentive to go back and play it again because you could do little differently. Also the endings were little reward for your effort.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I thought the original BioShock was great fun to play.

    Keep in mind, though, that I am absolutely horrible at first person shooters, so...

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    BubbaT wrote: »
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Too bad Ken Levine won't be involved

    I hope this turns out well.

    But experience says not to get my hopes up.
    Call of Duty without Infinity Ward, KotOR/NWN without Bioware, SimCity without Maxis, Bond without Rare, Guitar Hero without Harmonix, etc.

    Fuck you and the tube you rode in on.

    I gave Obsidian the benefit of the doubt at first, until NWN 2 also turned out a buggy shitfest. Or was that somehow LucasArts' fault as well?

    I read Levine is working on a new IP but am too lazy to dig up a source.

    I heard it was X-Com.

    Source on this please for the love of god.

    Levine + X-com may be an unprecedented level of win.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    If ever there was a game I wanted to see a sequel for less I don't know what it is.

    Fine, it sold buckets. But I can't think of a way to make this not fee like a cash in. The first one had a marvelously balanced story and should be left the fuck alone. I'll take a spiritual sequel, a la BioShock in how it relates to System Shock, but an actual sequel? Smells like IP rape to me.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    apotheos wrote: »
    If ever there was a game I wanted to see a sequel for less I don't know what it is.

    Fine, it sold buckets. But I can't think of a way to make this not fee like a cash in. The first one had a marvelously balanced story and should be left the fuck alone. I'll take a spiritual sequel, a la BioShock in how it relates to System Shock, but an actual sequel? Smells like IP rape to me.

    People said the same thing when System Shock 2 was announced.

    Remember, despite Levine not being working on this game (he is still at 2k Boston)

    It wouldnt surprise me if 2k marin had more former irrational employees than 2k boston does now. it was formed from ex members who swapped around in the 2k reshuffle when bioshock formed.

    Bioshock 2 could be Deus Ex Invisible War.

    But it could be System shock 2. the ultimate irony considering Bioshock is essentially system shock 3 underwater. which makes bioshock 2 = system shock 2.

    and if bioshock 1 = system shock 3 then system shock 2 = system shock 4.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I hope this is a sequel in the Final Fantasy sense of the word, not an actual plot continuation or prequel. The story in Bioshock was just so wonderfully complete.

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  • CymoroCymoro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    apotheos wrote: »
    If ever there was a game I wanted to see a sequel for less I don't know what it is.

    Fine, it sold buckets. But I can't think of a way to make this not fee like a cash in. The first one had a marvelously balanced story and should be left the fuck alone. I'll take a spiritual sequel, a la BioShock in how it relates to System Shock, but an actual sequel? Smells like IP rape to me.

    Prequel is the only good way this can go.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Im thinking either prequel (rapture before the fall would be interesting)

    or non-continuous sequel - like its set in 1970 or something, 10 years after bioshock 1. some macguffin to get you to rapture. you see what has happened to the place (beginning to rebuild, parts of it civilised, everyone still trapped etc)

    I mean that was starting to show in the end parts of point Prometheus and Apollo square in bioshock 1, with the refuge areas and the whole fontaine areas thing.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    There are still plenty of things they could do with Rapture without it automatically being a cash-in. I personally don't think they did enough with the whole *underwater* aspect after the beginning of the game, so there's always that. Also, presumably you only saw a fraction of the city in Bioshock, so they can keep expanding it any which way; what with different timelines, scenarios and events.

    Setting it during the civil war/creation would be the obvious choice, considering the first game dealt with the end of Rapture - or at least, the Andrew Ryan/Fontaine chapter. I don't think there'll be much point in setting it in the city after the first game's timeline, unless they want to retcon a whole bunch of stuff or start anew.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    All I want is a giant squid/kraken sequence where you fight giant tentacles.

    Like, three big daddies corner you and just before they strike WHOOOM a 100ft long tentacle smashes them down and its on.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    All I want is a giant squid/kraken sequence where you fight giant tentacles.

    Like, three big daddies corner you and just before they strike WHOOOM a 100ft long tentacle smashes them down and its on.

    Which is ironic because they said that is something that they want to absolutely never have happen.

    But they really do need more open sea environments in bioshock. You never really interact with the world outside of the narrow corridors. It's like its not even in the ocean.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    All I want is a giant squid/kraken sequence where you fight giant tentacles.

    Like, three big daddies corner you and just before they strike WHOOOM a 100ft long tentacle smashes them down and its on.

    Which is ironic because they said that is something that they want to absolutely never have happen.

    But they really do need more open sea environments in bioshock. You never really interact with the world outside of the narrow corridors. It's like its not even in the ocean.
    This is another thing I like.

    I hate underwater levels. Because the ocean harbors some of the most terrifying creatures known to man, and the smaller my chances of having to see highly detailed models of them attack me in glorious 3D, the better.
    Basically what I'm saying is "I hate the sea and everything in it."

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Cherrn wrote: »
    Setting it during the civil war/creation would be the obvious choice, considering the first game dealt with the end of Rapture - or at least, the Andrew Ryan/Fontaine chapter. I don't think there'll be much point in setting it in the city after the first game's timeline, unless they want to retcon a whole bunch of stuff or start anew.

    But we already know about the civil war. The *Shock games have, thus far, been about exploration and discovery, not only of physical environments but also of the history and culture of your surroundings. Yes, they can easily come up with more places for you to go, but short of some MAJOR retconning I can't imagine any way for them to add in major surprises and twists in the history of Rapture as we know it from BioShock.

    I expect something more along the lines of System Shock 1 -> System Shock 2: yes, there is a connecting thread between the plots, but other than the spaceship motif it's a completely new environment.

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  • DartboyDartboy Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Blackjack wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    All I want is a giant squid/kraken sequence where you fight giant tentacles.

    Like, three big daddies corner you and just before they strike WHOOOM a 100ft long tentacle smashes them down and its on.

    Which is ironic because they said that is something that they want to absolutely never have happen.

    But they really do need more open sea environments in bioshock. You never really interact with the world outside of the narrow corridors. It's like its not even in the ocean.
    This is another thing I like.

    I hate underwater levels. Because the ocean harbors some of the most terrifying creatures known to man, and the smaller my chances of having to see highly detailed models of them attack me in glorious 3D, the better.
    Basically what I'm saying is "I hate the sea and everything in it."

    Bah.
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    Anyway, yeah the story in Bioshock was pretty complete, so I hope this will be more of a spiritual successor than a direct sequel. Maybe, I don't know, something with sci-fi and spaceships or something.

    And replace the Crazy Capitalist with, I dunno, an AI or something.

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