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LoataLoata Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I am planning on buying some ram soon. 2 or 3 gigs. But I need to know if DDR2 has to run parallel. Also, any recommendations on getting a particular brand or anything to look out for, I have never bought ram before.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You can install single DDR2 Dimms if that's what you mean, though you may see a small performance boost if you have dual channel mobo (practically every motherboard is though). So if you want 3gb you're probably best off with 2x1GB and 2x512MB modules.

    Otherwise, Corsair, Crucial, OCZ are the established brands with G.Skill, Wintec, A.Data, Patriot being the newer brands but also having good reliability.

    Personally, I pretty much always buy Corsair Value Select, but you can't really go wrong these days, just don't buy the really expensive stuff, it's never worth it.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I absolutely CANNOT buying off-brand RAM. The brands Rook listed are good, but I would almost definitely stick with the first three (Corsair/Crucial/OCZ). Everytime I've gone with the off-brands I've been sorry because of reliability issues. I buy OCZ almost religiously now.

    Side note: anyone know of Kingston is still around and reliable? I used to buy them too, back when their Hyper-X was the shit.

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    No, what I meant by 'parallel' was do they have to be all 512mb or 1g or 2g, or can I mix and match?

    I have 4 slots with two 512 sticks. I don't really want to pay more money if I can just buy a 1g stick and a 2g. (Giving me 4g total)

    Also, on ram in the stores I noticed that they have numbers on them, like PCB5200 and stuff like that. Does this really mean anything? Or can I just pick up and ddr2 ram and have it work?

    And how much power will this take? I have a stock psu that came with my computer, and I imagine it is being tapped pretty hard by the 8800 GT I just put in it. Would I need to buy a new supply?

    Sorry if these seem obvious, but, like I said, I have never bought this before.

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You can mix and match stick sizes, but IIRC, for it to run dual channel, you'll need to have it matched like Rook said.
    I'd add kingston to the approved list too, I've used them several times with good results. Don't buy cheap crap, don't buy expensive crap. I've used several different speeds of RAM and never noticed much difference. Maybe I would between something antique, but so long as its at least 667, you're good.

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ok, thanks for all your help so far.

    One last question, any good retail stores to buy from? I have found Best Buy to be ridiculously expensive. Circuit City is a good deal cheaper, but if I can get it for even less, I am willing to drive a bit.


    And a quick recap:
    1. Buy Corsair/Crucial/OCZ/Kingston
    2. I can Mix n' Match sizes
    3. The little numbers on the box (PCB5200, etc) don't mean anything as long as I get it at about 670mhz
    4. My PSU can handle it. (Nevermind, this one wasn't answerd)

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    What's your PSU? And generally, RAM isn't a high power component, so unless it's already marginal (i.e. you're running a P4 with an 8800GT on a 350 PSU or something) you shouldn't need to worry much.

    And I'd just buy from NewEgg. 2 gig kit, 35 dollars, yummy :D

    EDIT: you say you have a stock PSU...but what machine do you have? What wattage and efficiency is the PSU? I've seen "stock" PSUs as high as 700 watts (overkill) and as low as 250 (woefully inadequate). Apart from the watts, there's also the issue of the 12 volt rails (how many?), the efficiency, and the quality of the PSU.

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    it is a 350 watt. Where would I check the voltage? Would it say on the unit? I have a Dell Dimension E521.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    There should be a sticker on the unit that lists different levels of voltage and the power associated with them. The 12 volt is the main one. To be honest, the wattage is "NOT" usually as important as this number, especially where stock PSUs are concerned. I remember building with a cheap PSU once, around the time the GeForce3 came out. Upon installation of the GF3, my computer started browning out due to inadequate power. It turns out that while the wattage was well above what I needed, the PSU was shitty enough that the 12V rail couldn't handle the extra load. Lesson learned, I buy high quality PSUs now too.

    But, I'll be very surprised if your memory affects your power supply in any way unless you overclock (which it sounds like you obviously won't be doing).

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    subedii wrote: »
    I hear PC gaming is huge off the coast of Somalia right now.

    PSN: TheScrublet
  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    No, I won't be overclocking at all right now. If that time comes at all, it will be when I have more cash to blow on better parts. Right now, I just want a decent gaming computer.

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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Scrublet wrote: »
    I absolutely CANNOT buying off-brand RAM. The brands Rook listed are good, but I would almost definitely stick with the first three (Corsair/Crucial/OCZ). Everytime I've gone with the off-brands I've been sorry because of reliability issues. I buy OCZ almost religiously now.

    Side note: anyone know of Kingston is still around and reliable? I used to buy them too, back when their Hyper-X was the shit.

    Tossing this out there: I built a beastly gaming computer a year ago and no parts in it have died yet, including the 4 gigs of G.Skill RAM.

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ok, so my PSU is actually a 305 watt, and the sticker said it has a 5v, 12vA, and 12vB. Is this what you were talking about?

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  • BeazleBeazle Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If your are not running a 64bit OS then only get 2 more gigs of RAM. The extra 1GB to bring you to 4GB total will not do you much good. Get 2 1GB matched sticks and you will see better preformance than 4GB non matched sticks.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Loata wrote: »
    Ok, so my PSU is actually a 305 watt, and the sticker said it has a 5v, 12vA, and 12vB. Is this what you were talking about?

    Yes. The amperage on the 12vA is important.

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    subedii wrote: »
    I hear PC gaming is huge off the coast of Somalia right now.

    PSN: TheScrublet
  • enderwiggin13enderwiggin13 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Loata wrote: »
    3. The little numbers on the box (PCB5200, etc) don't mean anything as long as I get it at about 670mhz

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up. The number absolutely means something. You can't just go getting anything around 670MHz. I can't believe no one has said anything about this...I'm astounded that after so many replies that no one has caught this.

    Memory clock speeds are backwards compatible, but they need to at least be compatible with your motherboard. If your motherboard maxes as 667MHz, and you pop 1066MHz in there, it may still run, but you'll be bottlenecked at 667MHz and have paid for speed you can't use. Check the manual for your motherboard or the manufacturers website to see what memory speeds are compatible with your mobo.

    You can see an example of this on NewEgg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 go to the specifications tab). You should see: Memory Standard DDR2 1066

    DDR2 1066MHz is also called PC2-8500. If your current RAM is DDR2 667MHz (AKA PC2-5400) and that's what your motherboard runs, then this is what you want.

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  • The MoustacheThe Moustache Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Loata wrote: »
    Ok, thanks for all your help so far.

    One last question, any good retail stores to buy from? I have found Best Buy to be ridiculously expensive. Circuit City is a good deal cheaper, but if I can get it for even less, I am willing to drive a bit.


    And a quick recap:
    1. Buy Corsair/Crucial/OCZ/Kingston
    2. I can Mix n' Match sizes
    3. The little numbers on the box (PCB5200, etc) don't mean anything as long as I get it at about 670mhz
    4. My PSU can handle it. (Nevermind, this one wasn't answerd)
    Depending on how comfortable you are with buying stuff online, [http://www.ncix.com
    http://www.canadacomputers.com/

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227124

    2 x 1GB OCZ DDR2. I'm going to guess that the speed matches or exceeds your motherboard. Are the timings extreme? No. Are you probably going to notice a difference? I doubt it. And no retailer (BestBuy, Circuit City) is going to beat this $26+shipping price tag.

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    subedii wrote: »
    I hear PC gaming is huge off the coast of Somalia right now.

    PSN: TheScrublet
  • GophermasterGophermaster Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Beazle wrote: »
    If you're are not running a 64bit OS then only get 2 more gigs of RAM. The extra 1GB to bring you to 4GB total will not do you much good.

    32bit OSes will not address 4 gigs of RAM, so if you are using Windows XP don't bother with more than 2gigs (unless you have the 64bitXP).

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ok, so if I have XP 32bit Media Center it won't recognize more than 2 gigs? So having 3 or 4 in there won't help gaming at all?

    Thanks again for all the replies to my questions.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You can do 3, and actually about 3.5. The issue is that with any more memory you run into limitations in how many addresses can actually be represented with 32-bits. So having 3 will help. Having 4 is pretty much worthless with that OS.

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    subedii wrote: »
    I hear PC gaming is huge off the coast of Somalia right now.

    PSN: TheScrublet
  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Loata wrote: »
    Ok, so if I have XP 32bit Media Center it won't recognize more than 2 gigs? So having 3 or 4 in there won't help gaming at all?

    Thanks again for all the replies to my questions.

    No, it won't address up to 4. 3 should be fine and is what I have in my laptop running 32bit XP.

    If you put 4 in, it will only display like 3.5 or 3.2 or something like that because it can physically only address up to 4gb, and some of that space at the top is reserved for system devices, etc.

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  • LoataLoata Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ok, thanks for your help guys. I am going to go out and buy some today, hopefully. Wish me luck.

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