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Democratic Primaries: Clinton suspends disbelief

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited April 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
The Time picks up the idiocy that is the Gore-Obama ticket


Elsewhere, Romney joins McCain on the trail in Salt Lake City, and will go with him to Denver for another fundraiser. Something there?


On the "NAFTAGate" front, the Canadians will make public whatever comes out of their probe? Good? I think so, but I wonder how long it'll take.
The federal government's top civil servant has pledged to make public the results of an investigation into Canadian leaks that damaged the presidential campaign of U.S. Senator Barack Obama.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper handed responsibility for an internal inquiry to Kevin Lynch, the Clerk of the Privy Council, after it emerged that his chief of staff, Ian Brodie, sparked the so-called "NAFTA-gate" affair in a conversation with reporters from CTV News.

Mr. Lynch pledged in a letter to Liberal MP Navdeep Bains that the results of the internal probe will be made public, and will include the "verbal" leaks - not only the later leak of a diplomatic memo.


And a pretty good backdrop.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Just so people see it, I'll repost:

    Hilarious

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Scooter wrote: »
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?
    When you remember the total population of the US is only projected to be just over 300m, 4 million mortgages [coupled with the high incidences of foreclosure and lending woes] is downright frightening.

    Though really, the statistic '4 million mortgages' doesn't mean anything on its own.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Elki wrote: »

    What, did NRO infilitrate Time?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »

    When was the last time Time wasn't retarded?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Oboro wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?
    When you remember the total population of the US is only projected to be just over 300m, 4 million mortgages [coupled with the high incidences of foreclosure and lending woes] is downright frightening.

    Though really, the statistic '4 million mortgages' doesn't mean anything on its own.

    If you consider that the average household size is something like 3, even if you pretend that no renters exist, you're talking 4% of homes being slurped away by financial distress. That's fucking huge.

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  • TheMarshalTheMarshal Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Man I wish I hadn't read the second page of that NRO article about the Obama tax plan. He went from talking about the simplification to how the sinister government wants to steal your money so fast it made my teeth hurt. I WISH that the government-run programs were as clever as businesses were in getting money and finding loopholes in things.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Don't tell the conservative pundits. They're happy believing that Obama has now been crippled for not responding to the situation with "All you negroes need to quit your bitching and embrace the wonderful opportunities that you have as blacks in America. And Wright can fucking eat a bag of dicks. Seriously, fuck that n****r."

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Why do they never try to address selling a candidate to the country that exactly zero people voted for?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?
    When you remember the total population of the US is only projected to be just over 300m, 4 million mortgages [coupled with the high incidences of foreclosure and lending woes] is downright frightening.

    Though really, the statistic '4 million mortgages' doesn't mean anything on its own.

    If you consider that the average household size is something like 3, even if you pretend that no renters exist, you're talking 4% of homes being slurped away by financial distress. That's fucking huge.

    You're also ignoring the number of homes, like my parents', that are fully paid off.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?
    When you remember the total population of the US is only projected to be just over 300m, 4 million mortgages [coupled with the high incidences of foreclosure and lending woes] is downright frightening.

    Though really, the statistic '4 million mortgages' doesn't mean anything on its own.

    If you consider that the average household size is something like 3, even if you pretend that no renters exist, you're talking 4% of homes being slurped away by financial distress. That's fucking huge.
    Well, it doesn't say '4 million mortgages [verb].' It just says '4 million mortgages.' I don't know the full context of the quote nor do I know all of the relevant statistics to be able to divine what number of those 4 million are the troubled ones.

    If this is 4 million that are under financial distress, rather than 4 million at all, yes. That is fucking huge. But that's not what the quote (and assumedly, sound byte) says. It says '4 million mortgages,' which means nothing on its own aside from the fact that there are many, many mortgages -- but given that mortgages are on their own a matter-of-fact and neutral thing (AFAIK), I don't see why that alone is a problem?

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

    I thought when that happened they just made another issue about Jesus

    or is that Newsweek?

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »

    When was the last time Time wasn't retarded?

    But this is an entirely different plateau of retarded. There's "fair and balanced" retarded, and then there's "12 months late to the stupid" retarded.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Oboro wrote: »
    If this is 4 million that are under financial distress, rather than 4 million at all, yes. That is fucking huge. But that's not what the quote (and assumedly, sound byte) says. It says '4 million mortgages,' which means nothing on its own aside from the fact that there are many, many mortgages -- but given that mortgages are on their own a matter-of-fact and neutral thing (AFAIK), I don't see why that alone is a problem?

    I can't imagine in what context they'd even bring up mortgages except as it pertains to the current crisis. I think it's fair to assume that when they say 4 million mortgages are causing trouble, they mean something bad is happening to them. The number is big enough that the details of the "something bad" aren't necessary to conclude that this is some major shit going down.

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  • TheMarshalTheMarshal Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

    I thought when that happened they just made another issue about Jesus

    or is that Newsweek?

    It's getting so hard to tell the difference...

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

    Well, considering the entire article reads like a Marvel What-If? comic, I really don't see how they can get away with calling it news.

    It's basically: What if everything that has happened so far immediately changes, with no cause or rationale, would that somehow cause Gore to magically run for president, despite the fact that he has all but completely divested himself from politics in the last 5 years....

    god, I am so sick of rampant speculation... if you can't fill your news periodical with facts, then stop fucking printing them. Just print up a one page issue that says "sorry folks, no news this week."

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Oboro wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    How could 4 million mortgages cause trouble? Is 4 million supposed to sound like a small number?
    When you remember the total population of the US is only projected to be just over 300m, 4 million mortgages [coupled with the high incidences of foreclosure and lending woes] is downright frightening.

    Though really, the statistic '4 million mortgages' doesn't mean anything on its own.

    If you consider that the average household size is something like 3, even if you pretend that no renters exist, you're talking 4% of homes being slurped away by financial distress. That's fucking huge.
    Well, it doesn't say '4 million mortgages [verb].' It just says '4 million mortgages.' I don't know the full context of the quote nor do I know all of the relevant statistics to be able to divine what number of those 4 million are the troubled ones.

    If this is 4 million that are under financial distress, rather than 4 million at all, yes. That is fucking huge. But that's not what the quote (and assumedly, sound byte) says. It says '4 million mortgages,' which means nothing on its own aside from the fact that there are many, many mortgages -- but given that mortgages are on their own a matter-of-fact and neutral thing (AFAIK), I don't see why that alone is a problem?

    According to McCain's speech, it is 4 million "troubled" mortgages.
    On Tuesday, I addressed the housing crisis and its devastating impact on our financial markets and the household budgets of millions of hardworking Americans. The fact is that there are about 4 million homeowners in danger of losing their homes.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

    Well, considering the entire article reads like a Marvel What-If? comic, I really don't see how they can get away with calling it news.

    What if Reed and Johnny died and Gore and Obama joined the Fantastic Four and then Hillary teamed up with Dr. Doom?

    Why are you not exploring this pertinent question, Time?

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    alright yeah that's definitely crisis status sorry if I came across as pedantic

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Is the Thing's dork made of orange rock? WE MUST KNOW

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »

    ...are they really that hurting for subject matter?

    Well, considering the entire article reads like a Marvel What-If? comic, I really don't see how they can get away with calling it news.

    What if Reed and Johnny died and Gore and Obama joined the Fantastic Four and then Hillary teamed up with Dr. Doom?

    Why are you not exploring this pertinent question, Time?
    Hopefully Howard Dean and the rest of the Avengers would help.

    John McCain, Agent of SHIELD might be playing both sides against eachother, though.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Oboro wrote: »
    alright yeah that's definitely Crisis on Infinite Earths status sorry if I came across as pedantic

    Blended into the Current Running Gag'd.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I last read Time cover to cover in 1999. Their "best of the millennium" series were just so fucking awful I resolved to never buy another copy unless a character from Star Wars was on the cover.

    there was one particular line which still haunts me "in America religion is the poetry of the people whereas in the rest of the world it is the opiate of the people" Or something pretty close to that. This was in their international version btw, Time having long made a sort of effort to localise/internationalise content.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

    Religious right people should read us too. We get Jesus, and stuff. Come on, subscribe!

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

    It's filled with vapid imagery and literary tricks and written by a crying emo kid who is cutting himself.

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  • ResIpsaLoquiturResIpsaLoquitur Not a grammar nazi, just alt-write. Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Transcript of Obama's economic speech if anyone needs it:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/politics/27text-obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


    Has it been youtube'd yet? I've been reading it in Obama's voice and it must have been amazing to see.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

    I have no fucking clue. If I remember I'll try and track down the exact edition and see if the passage makes more sense now.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

    It's filled with vapid imagery and literary tricks and written by a crying emo kid who is cutting himself.

    To be fair, Jesus wasn't cutting himself. The Romans were more than happy to oblige.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "religion is the poetry of the people"? What the hell does that even mean?

    It's filled with vapid imagery and literary tricks and written by a crying emo kid who is cutting himself.

    To be fair, Jesus wasn't cutting himself. The Romans were more than happy to oblige.

    Ah but he went willingly, so it was assisted suicide.

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080327/pl_nm/usa_politics_campaign_dc
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Somebody forgot to tell Hillary Clinton the Democratic presidential race is over and Barack Obama won.

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    Obama has captured more state contests, more votes and more of the pledged convention delegates who will help decide which Democrat faces Republican Sen. John McCain in November's presidential election.

    But Clinton, a New York senator who has flirted with disaster before in the back-and-forth nominating battle with Obama, shrugs off growing predictions of doom and still sees at least a narrow path to victory.

    "I hear it in the atmosphere," Clinton said of the increasingly loud chatter about whether she should drop out and let Democrats focus on the general election campaign.

    "But the most common thing that people say to me ... is 'Don't give up, keep going. We're with you.' And I feel really good about that because that's what I intend to do," she told reporters on Tuesday.

    Clinton has not been hearing those words of encouragement from a chorus of media commentators and Obama supporters who have questioned why she is pursuing her uphill fight to catch the Illinois senator.

    The Politico newspaper declared Clinton "has virtually no chance of winning." A New York Times columnist called her campaign "the audacity of hopelessness" -- a pun on Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope."

    New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Cabinet member for her husband Bill, the former president, said it was time for Democrats to rally around Obama -- and was called a "Judas" by Clinton loyalist James Carville for his views.

    Clinton and her campaign aides have worked hard to debunk the idea the race is over, holding daily conference calls to tout their viability and issuing a lengthy memo to rebut the "myth" that Clinton cannot win.

    "In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism," the memo said.

    But Clinton needs almost everything to go her way in the next few months.

    She had a setback last week when her push for revotes in Michigan and Florida failed. Her victories there did not count because the contests were not sanctioned by the national party. She also faced an uproar this week over her misstatements about coming under sniper fire on her arrival in Bosnia in 1996.

    TARGET: SUPERDELEGATES

    The Clinton case for victory in the Democratic nomination fight is built on the backs of nearly 800 superdelegates -- elected officials and party insiders who are free to support anyone.

    With 10 nominating contests remaining, Clinton lags Obama by more than 100 in the count of pledged delegates won in the state-by-state voting since January and has little chance of catching Obama.

    But neither candidate is on track to win the 2,024 delegates needed to clinch the nomination -- making superdelegates the ultimate kingmakers.

    Both camps have wooed them heavily, with Obama contending they should follow the will of Democratic voters. By the last nominating contests on June 3 in Montana and South Dakota, Obama says, he will have won the most votes and delegates.

    Clinton says she offers the best chance of beating McCain in November.

    To help her make that argument she needs to close the gap on Obama by rolling up big wins in many of the remaining contests, beginning on April 22 with Pennsylvania.

    "The Obama campaign is trying to persuade everybody that this is over. I hope they don't get their hands on the federal budget because they surely can't count," said Clinton adviser Harold Ickes.

    "We think that both candidates are going to be within a hair of each other by the time the last state votes. At the end of this process, neither candidate will have the nomination" and superdelegates will decide," Ickes said.

    Clinton says she has won more big, diverse states crucial to Democratic hopes in November like Ohio, New Jersey and California, proving her worth in a general election battle.

    The longer she continues, the more chance Obama might slip up and make a mistake that turns the tide of the campaign. Clinton has made it clear she will not consider bowing out of the race until all of the states have concluded their voting.

    At that point, Democrats hope, a winner will emerge without the battle continuing all the way to the August party convention in Denver.

    "I think that what we have to wait and see is what happens in the next three months, and there's been a lot of talk about what-if, what-if, what-if. Let's wait until we get some votes," Clinton said.

    I have to say, I like the shift in narrative.

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I hate superdelegates.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Mmmm polling indicating that no one gives a shit about Wright.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sal wrote: »

    About damn time.

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  • SavantSavant Simply Barbaric Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I hate superdelegates.

    Funny thing is that this is a situation where they could be put to good use and make sense: stopping the nomination from getting too ugly and tearing apart the party. The only thing is that that would mean that they would push Clinton out, not rescue her from defeat. There's been some growing rumblings on that front recently as she's grown increasingly aggressive, so I'm thinking something interesting may happen soon.

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  • templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    alright yeah that's definitely Crisis on Infinite Earths status sorry if I came across as pedantic

    Blended into the Current Running Gag'd.

    You need to cut that shit out. It's giving me Liberality for All flashbacks.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Savant they haven't stepped in and for all intents they won't step in. This will go at least till June and the supers will continue to say things like "Well when Hillary called Obama george bush part 3 I was really tired and uhh she might have had a point I mean he's related to cheney, I might have to write her a letter saying your a bad person but I still might vote for you".

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  • JebuJebu Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I can't wait for the primary to be over just so I can send some angry letters to the DNC for having superdelegates in the first place.

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