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Take the jumper out of your SATA Seagate HDD - OR, how even advanced users miss stuff
Deusfaux
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Okay so it's not ALL my fault - you get no documentation with an OEM HDD, and apparently little to nothing is said of it even with the retail units
AND I'm pretty sure I checked when I first got it anyways but
if you have a 7200.10 series HDD from Seagate, possibly including newer and older models as well, you might find that the jumper that comes pre-installed on it is still there.
The jumper limits data speeds to Sata Gen 1, or 150 MB/s, whereas taking the jumper out brings it up to the full capability of the drive - Gen 2, or 300 MB/s.
It's the smallest jumper I've ever seen - mine was grey in color, and buried way at the back of the pins.
It took a sewing pin for me to bust it out of there.
jumper installed - HD tach reported at best around 130 MB/s burst
after removing - went up to 260 MB/s burst speeds
It's not a HUGE deal, but it's just something silly that I bet a lot of people have missed. I wouldn't have known it was operating at Gen 1 speeds if I didn't check Intel's Matrix Storage Manager - something can't install unless you're running AHCI or RAID, I believe.
AND I'm pretty sure I checked when I first got it anyways but
if you have a 7200.10 series HDD from Seagate, possibly including newer and older models as well, you might find that the jumper that comes pre-installed on it is still there.
The jumper limits data speeds to Sata Gen 1, or 150 MB/s, whereas taking the jumper out brings it up to the full capability of the drive - Gen 2, or 300 MB/s.
It's the smallest jumper I've ever seen - mine was grey in color, and buried way at the back of the pins.
It took a sewing pin for me to bust it out of there.
jumper installed - HD tach reported at best around 130 MB/s burst
after removing - went up to 260 MB/s burst speeds
It's not a HUGE deal, but it's just something silly that I bet a lot of people have missed. I wouldn't have known it was operating at Gen 1 speeds if I didn't check Intel's Matrix Storage Manager - something can't install unless you're running AHCI or RAID, I believe.
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Unless you are making up lies!!!
Doesn't really matter much, anyway. Your typical hard drive isn't going to peg anywhere near the full speed of the SATA spec, and the maximum burst is only the speed from its buffer to the bus, i.e. something you'll probably not notice at all in regular use.
The first paragraph says that if you put (or leave) the little jumper block in there, it will force 150MB compatibility for older PCs that can't even connect to a drive capable of both 150 and 300.
The second paragraph explains that SATA drives no longer follow the master/slave relationship thing that older drives did.
They mention these things together, because years ago, you had to make sure the jumpers / terminals / whatever were set correctly or else it wouldn't work right, taking into account which position the drive was in the whole master/slave relationship... basically that just because there is a jumper there now, doesn't mean it has anything to do with the functions that jumpers used to do.
man, am i the only one still on IDE
Nope. My uncle used this as his Work 'N WoW box before his house was broken into and the punks stole it
Athlon 3000+
2gigs of ram
9800pro
120gb 7200 rpm (I think it was 72) IDE hard drive
DVD/CD burner on IDE love too
Shoot my current 8800gtx filled rig uses a IDE based DVD burner still :P
no reason to move over to SATA until I really need to
Mine too (2x DVD burner), I am not going to waste valuable SATA connections with devices which use only a fraction of the transfer speed. (although my triple sli board has 6 SATA ports and one external - e-pen for the win) :P
Every Intel board since like the P965 uses an external chip for IDE support (as opposed to the southbridge, which drives SATA and used to handle IDE), and usually it's some unreliable piece of shit made by JMicron.
IDE mode and SATA mode are not compatible with each other... installing windows under IDE and changing the BIOS setting results in you unable to boot into windows.. unless you switch back.
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That means "F6ing" the drives during the install process. You MIGHT be able to switch from IDE to AHCI after install, but it'll be tough. I can't remember if I did it successfully the one time I tried.
thats the rub.. You can't
I think it shifts the sector start on the disk.. everything works fine.. it just doesn't know where to find anything. Your OS won't boot, like it was never there.
Switch it back, and everything boots up fine.
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We were talking about that work today. Good ol' IRQ conflicts, HDD jumpers, etc. Oddly sort of miss all that.
ribbon cable 4 life!
Fuck SATA and those jumpers!
:P
Details? My vista install will work either way, i have the drivers.. but i can't do a change in the BIOS.
If I remember correctly, that jumper is really just for compatibility, for using a newer SATA v2 with older, original SATA spec. The newer version supports much higher speeds, hot swap, etc.
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I'm on IDE myself here, but my computer is starting to putz out. I'm thinking I may need a new heatsink (any proc intensive task causes it to shut down - or when the house gets warm) or my proc is going bad. But I'm still running all IDE drives because I'm too cheap to buy new ones, despite 3 of my 4 drives dying in the last year. I'm on my last one now, and when that goes I'm picking up a 500GB SATA. Fortunately my mobo supports SATA (I think it has 2 connections).
fuck yes.
I can't fucking wait for flash to finally replace mechanical hard drives.
I'm trying to fix my other PC but can't get the computer to boot from the SATA when I plug the IDE in as slave or master... with jumpers AND cables tried in all slots.
Yea, it's gonna be so...awesome???
No more bad sounds right?
No, instead when your drive dies you'll get no audible warning at all.
:P
I'M A TWITTER SHITTER
Vista detects the hard drive but throws an error unless I format it. No problem, right? So I try to format, and it says that the hard drive is write-protected... then the hard drive disappears from the Vista drive list. I restart and the hard drive has also disappeared from the BIOS detection list (nothing seen in SATA slot 2 anymore.)
What the hell is this shit. I thought it could be that jumper I removed. However, the same problem persists with the jumper on as well. I think my hard drive is defective, unless someone has an idea.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!