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Router Troubles

Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
My internet at my house isn't working, except on this computer. We have ethernet ports in every room and none of the ones we've tried (admittedly, not every one) work besides this one. So, this computer is connected by an ethernet cord right now, and to get the rest of the house to work I plugged in a router. So I took the cord from this computer (which I KNOW works, obviously, because I'm using it) and used that to connect the router. I plugged it into the "internet" slot, so that the other ones should be connected, and lo and behold, it doesn't work. We're utterly lost, our Comcast tech has come out twice and done absolutely nothing, and we really need help.

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  • MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm a bit confused in how you explained your situation.

    You have ports in all the rooms. Like wall ports, or plugs running from the router?

    You plugged a working ethernet cable into the internet port of the router, ok am I right to assume that the other end of that port is going to your connection to the internet (broadband modem)?

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    There are wall ports in every room, but only this one is connected to the modem. The problem is that if we use a router to connect more rooms it just stops working. We suspect the problem is in the router, that somehow it broke when we moved over here. It was working absolutely 100% perfectly a couple of days ago, so tommorow we're going to go buy a new one and see if it works.

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  • StaxeonStaxeon Buffalo, NYRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I think I understand what you're saying...

    When its working you have the ethernet from the broadband modem connected directly into your computer. You then took that ethernet cable out of the computer, and plugged it into the "internet" port on your router. Then took another ethernet cable and plugged one end into one of the numbered ports on the router, and the other end back into the computer, and it didn't work....?

    Where do the "wall ports" come in? If someone wired your house with ethernet they should all converge at one spot, like a closet in the basement or something. The cables have to run to somewhere inside the walls. Where they all meet is where you want to have your router, each of those cables has to be a) terminated properly, as in, crimped for straight pair (not crossover) and b) plugged into one of the numbered ports on your router.

    There are ALOT of points where this can possibly go wrong. Especially when you throw the wall ports into the mix. As an internet tech I've been on a DSL install to a doctor's brand new house, with wall ethernet ports in every room. None of them worked. I opened one up and the contractor never connected the CAT5 to the outlet, so it was just hanging in there inside the wall.

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    1. Unplug Router
    2. Unplug Modem
    3. Disconnect all Ethernet cords
    4. Connect Modem to Router via Ethernet Port labeled "Internet"
    5. Connect Router to Computer via Ethernet Port labeled "1"
    6. Plug-in Router, give it about a minute to boot up/warm up
    7. Plug-in Modem, give it about 3-4 minutes to boot up/warm up
    8. On Computer #1 goto the IP address in your browser to 192.168.1.1
    9. Log into the Router/Server admin page: the typical username/pass is admin/admin
    10. Make sure DHCP is turned on
    11. Find the "Router Status" page and see if the Router's IP address is in the 192.0.0.0 range. If it is then your router hasn't detected the modem yet (which isn't uncommon). Click the DHCP Release button to zero out all of your vaules then click the DHCP Renew button a few times until new information comes up and the Router's IP address is something different.
    12. Connect the rest of the computers.

    Edit: Make sure the "Uplink" button on the router is NOT pushed in.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    We've tried just about everything. It's so wierd: Putting a cord straight through the modem to the computer works. Putting a cord straight to the wall and plugging your computer into the corresponding outlet worked until earlier today, then died for no reason at all. And on top of that, plugging in a cord that was working seconds ago into a router, then try to connect more computers, it fails. I KNOW it isn't the router, we just bought another and are encountering the same problem. I'll try the suggestion above and see how it works. Although, when even the comcast technicians can't figure it out, I doubt I can. (Comcast techs have, in my experience, been total morons though.)

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I just followed Magic Prime's advice to the letter, and absolutely nothing changed. Once I got to the router admin page, I saw an IP address of 0.0.0.0 and no amount of refreshing the DHCP or whatever its called would change that.

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  • ZifnabZifnab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    What kind of modem? Do you have the phone service, or just the internet? Try MagicPrime's advice, but reverse steps 6 and 7. You want the modem powered up and connected to the service before a router connected to it is powered up. I'm not sure if it's the modem that's fucking dumb about it or the router, but regardless of cause the router ends up not getting an IP address otherwise, which seems to be exactly what happened to you.

    Also, in most Comcast markets, the modem absolutely needs to be powercycled or reset whenever you connect a new device to it. That could be throwing a wrench into your attempts as well.

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  • phirewindphirewind Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Consider the cabling design of your network. Get a cable tester and make sure that something hasn't broken along the way. I've seen perfectly good cables "suddenly" stop working due to insects or mice, or atmospheric rot, or maybe solar flares and voodoo curses.

    Also, I just worked on a home network where the modem (DSL in this case) simply REFUSED to give an internet connection to more than one PC, even through a router on simple DHCP setup. In that case, I had to do this:

    1. Get that one PC is working again.
    2. write down it's given internal IP as well as the gateway and DSN address that it uses to talk to the modem.
    3. Then take the PC's connection to the "internet" or "WAN" port on the router.
    4. Plug the PC into a numbered port on the router.
    5. Connect to the router's admin interface, follwing most of Magic Prime's instructions, but make sure it uses the same internal IP, gateway, and DSN as your PC does when it works.
    6. Rather than depend on DHCP, hard-set the IP addresses on all your PC's, and make sure the Gateway and DSN's point to the Router, not the modem.

    In the network I fixed, even after hooking up the router, the PC's on "automatic" would get valid addresses from the router, but still try to connect to the modem for gateway or DSN, which wasn't playing nice. By forcing them to go through the router, which then went through the modem, it fixed the problem.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm sure the cables aren't broken because they work when you go straight from the modem to the PC. Theres about zero chance of atmospheric rot, insects or mice, because this house is brand new and I watched the construction, it's pretty damn solid. I'll try your suggestions to get this working.
    Edit: Hm... I have two DNS's. What does that mean?

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Also, I forgot to add this problem as well: I was looking at the Network Connections window in the control panel, and it said something like "Gateway: Disabled". So I hit enable, and I got a little progress window that read: "Connecting... Connected" then that little dialogue box went away and it was still disabled, no matter how many times I did this process.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I really need help getting this to work. Pretty much just doing this post to get this noticed again.

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  • capnricocapnrico Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    What is your configuration again? I'm stumped by the "this computer is working but I ran a cable from this computer to the router" thing. Does your computer have two network cards?

    Most configurations should go Modem->Router->computers. Where do the wall ports run to? There has to be a router or hub or something on the other end of those wall ports, doesn't there?

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Alright, it IS a pretty complicated setup so I'll try to clear it up all now. There is a room downstairs with a modem in it, as well as cords that correspond to each room (so they have names like Kitchen, Room 1a, 1b etc) that run through the wall and end up as a port in the wall. Ideally, to connect to the internet, you would connect your ethernet cord to the port in the wall and then into your computer, like this picture. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/harrier/LAN_wall.gif
    So right now, when I put a cord straight from the modem (it isn't exactly one cord, because of the wall thing outlined in the picture, but effectively its one cord) into the computer, it works. But when you put a cord from the modem into the correct spot on the router, and then for example put the "kitchen" cord into the router, and plug your computer into the "kitchen" wall socket, it wont work. Theres a mixup somewhere in the router, and what I need help with is figuring out what that mixup is and how I can get rid of it.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Two DNS's is common, a primary and a secondary.

    When Comcast came out and set up your modem/internet, did they set it up on a PC connected to the modem through the router? Or did they set it up using a PC connected directly to the modem? If they did the latter, here's something you can try.

    Hook the PC that Comcast used to set up your internet, to the router. Go into settings (192.168.1.1, or whatever they are if you're not using a Linksys). There should be a setting called "MAC Address Clone", or some variable of. Enable it, and clone the MAC address from the PC. Save the settings, reboot the modem and router, and see if that works.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    He did the modem straight to PC thing. I'll try the MAC address cloning. I saw it as an option earlier when I was dicking around in the router settings but didn't think much of it. I'll give it a go.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    By George I think it worked!

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Holy shit, I am so happy you helped me out man. I had been wrestling with that problem for like 2 days. Thanks SO much man. You probably saved us like 200$ from some overpriced home network fiend.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    No problem, glad it worked.

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