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Gay. Yay or Nay
rvcontre78
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Who else is sick of the use of this word as a derogatory term? Maybe I'm being prejudiced but even the thought of hearing this usage, usually in a shrill voice, over Xbox Live just makes me disappointed. Is it on the way out? Is it in vogue? What's going on? I'm really not pushing some PC agenda here. As an expression though I think it's beyond lazy. I mean use a real expletive.
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Yes you are. And it's perfectly fine.
Well as far as being politically correct, I guess there has to be some truth to that but honestly it irritates me in the same way that excessive fart jokes in a movie irritates me. Now... well thought out fart joke? Good stuff. Lazy fart joke? Irritating. That's the difference I'm trying to discern here.
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I'm really not going for that though. I mean no one else thinks it's just lazy to call something gay? Fuck has infinitely more entertainment value. It just doesn't go out of style.
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edit: the problems with gay as an epithet are much deeper than being "lazy."
Granted, we can all do our part.
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This is very, very true. I'm just trying to attack it from a different angle. I wholeheartedly agree with it being completely offensive to everyone who has a sense of decency but the fact that it also has very little comedic impact now and is still used all the time just baffles me.
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It's lazy alright, but just saying it as part of a sentence doesn't bother me. Many times will my brother tell me a bothersome new and I'll just say "Aw, gay, [insert rest of sentence]", or vice-versa. I guess the thing is that it's just too well installed in our vocabulary now that we don't even notice it. I guess that's it. I don't cringe each time I hear it because I don't notice it at all.
If someone was trying to be offensive (or funny) simply by saying something is gay, though, yeah, that's lame. If the focus of the insult or joke is "gay", it is hard not to pay attention to it. And then it's very lazy.
I'm all for clever and witty gay jokes, however.
Edit: About offensiveness, I don't give a shit if anything I say is offensive to someone I don't care about personally. Plus, I completely disagree that the word is completely offensive to "anyone with a sense of decency". You're not the moral compass of the universe.
"comedic impact"? The fuck? No one I know uses ''gay'' to mean actually homosexual. Faggot is the choice epithet and a word I myself hate to hear and it grates me. Gay is just another word now due to many factors.
Also, it's yea not "yay".
I think that young men is awfully kind of you to use in this sense. I remember talking to someone trying to use the whole, "Well it's just what the word means now." applied to "Jew". I guess I'm just venting now as no one in their right mind is going to come into this thread and be the defender of that usage.
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I like how "Yay" looks though.
And due to many factors? Like what?
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I think the reason that it's being used this way now is everyone's acceptance of it in that way. Does that mean it's right? I'll use "jew" as an example again I mean you just don't hear that used anymore without a lot of cringing and I hope that it gets that way.
Now as far as gay jokes go though, that's a different subject. I have the same issue with "gay" jokes as I would with polish, black, blonde, jokes which is to say there can be appropriate times. (Appropriate being italicized to cover a range of... appropriateness.)
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If I actually knew that someone was sensitive about these words, I wouldn't use them around him or her (unless I actually want to bother that person because I hate him/her). I simply can't agree with this thread being about "Saying or doing this is wrong. Let's discuss why it's wrong."
Does it mean it's right? No, it doesn't. But I think it's right. Or at least not wrong.
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Male1-So I went shopping today
Male2-Gaaayyyy
Male1-It's ok, it was with my brother
Male2-Gaaaaaaaaaayyyy...
Male1-Then, to pay him for my new clothes, I gave him a blowjob
Male2-yyyyyyy-Wait what?
Well I'm not going to search through my random ranting again but I don't mean to say that it's wrong. It's an opinion thread just like any other to gather other opinions.
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To be honest, reading "could of / should of / might of" on this forum or others piss me off to no end (like, actually bothers me) so I can understand why some people are annoyed by a word I don't even notice anymore.
The only homophobic sentences or undertones that bother me are those made by genuinely homophobic people.
I just don't understand it.
This isn't an attack on you and I certainly don't claim to be above this even in this context but it's difficult to discern when a person who's isn't homosexual using the word "gay" isn't being genuinely homophobic. I saw that you used the phrase N-word instead of (edited). Why is that?
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Really, a word only hurts if you let it. I really don't care if some says "gay" to a lame idea or my blowing some dude.
It might be the way I feel, but sticks and stones. I really don't care. I call things gay all the time. At the same time I take dick in the ass, which is totaly homo. And gay, as you would call it.
Slang is all ways changing.
Yup, and in my opinion it's not really hard to tell the difference by the way one speaks.
I think people are getting offended on behalf of gay people when gays themselves, I assume, probably don't even care.
Because making a valid criticism isn't in the nature of stereotyping and being valid would be much more preferable in most cases. If I'm a cheater and you call me a cheater I might be pissed but you'd still be correct.
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Because it seems pretty common among non-homophobic people, and frankly the idea of censoring an insult because it's insulting is ri-damn-diculous to me.
Well, why make that assumption. That's like saying that only black people have the right to be offended by black jokes.
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I agree.
Really, it's all in how it's used. It's just like the word "fuck". Sometimes it's an insult. And sometimes, it's just a fucking comma.
because using that word will get you in trouble here... you might want to edit out your post
Now this I can totally understand. I guess my lesson to learn is that when you go into a video game forum you're about to enter a whole new set of arrangements. Now, should I adjust? Sure, but that doesn't mean that I should start agreeing with the normals that are here. Also, I can voice my opinion and see what the reactions are too. : )
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Exactly. This is the only reason I said n-word.
So, I guess that's another thing. Why is one censored and one not? Why are there such differences between these two words as to which one is ok? They both have different levels of offensiveness depending on where you are. I remember when someone (I think about five years ago) used the term niggardly (and correctly about the budget that he was dealing with) and caught a lot of flak. If people's sensitivities to the word is the basis on censorship then that seems to be arbitrary.
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That's interesting. I never knew that and always disagreed with the word being banned for PC reasons (though I still obey the forum rules, if I'm creating an account here I agree to play by the rules), but now that it's for a completely logical reason, I'm all for it.
EDIT: Niggardly has absolutely nothing to do with the n-word, Quid.