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rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
My friend and I are developing a new kind of cereal. It'll be taco-flavored and we've got most of the details down already (lettuce would be marshmallows, tomatoes would be rice crisps, etc.) but the problem is in the packaging. We want the cereal box to come with ground beef. Are there boxed dinners out there that have pre-packaged ground beef? Could you just do a air-sealed package or maybe you would have to freeze dry it? Any ideas?

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    O_o

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  • Lord Cecil EaglelaserLord Cecil Eaglelaser Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    TACOS FOR BREAKFAST?!?!

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    TACOS FOR BREAKFAST?!?!

    Relevant.

    Anyway, if this is a serious venture, you should probably patent the idea beforehand, to prevent anyone from taking your idea. Although, I don't see that happening. Ugh.

    Wouldn't the pieces of meat in ramen and cup-of-noodles be what you are looking for?

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    TACOS FOR BREAKFAST?!?!

    Relevant.

    Anyway, if this is a serious venture, you should probably patent the idea beforehand, to prevent anyone from taking your idea. Although, I don't see that happening. Ugh.

    Wouldn't the pieces of meat in ramen and cup-of-noodles be what you are looking for?

    Yeah, we actually looked at that but those pieces don't mix well with milk is the issue. We're also tinkering with including an insert-package that can flavor your milk with chipotle which actually isn't as bad as it sounds but it doesn't mix to well with the marshmallows.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    TACOS FOR BREAKFAST?!?!

    Well it's kind of like breakfast burritos.

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  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    You have to freeze it, but I don't think that would compromise the cereal (we buy in bulk, so my mom freezes our Cheerios. I'm not sure if this is effective in any way, but I can definitely say it doesn't ruin it). You might just have to nuke it or something.

    Now that I've said that, let's all continue to think really hard about how weird taco cereal sounds.

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    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Yeah, we actually looked at that but those pieces don't mix well with milk is the issue. We're also tinkering with including an insert-package that can flavor your milk with chipotle which actually isn't as bad as it sounds but it doesn't mix to well with the marshmallows.
    I lol'd.

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

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    edited April 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    GRILL IT GRILL IT WITH NAPALM

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    You have to freeze it, but I don't think that would compromise the cereal (we buy in bulk, so my mom freezes our Cheerios. I'm not sure if this is effective in any way, but I can definitely say it doesn't ruin it). You might just have to nuke it or something.

    Now that I've said that, let's all continue to think really hard about how weird taco cereal sounds.

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    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Yeah, we actually looked at that but those pieces don't mix well with milk is the issue. We're also tinkering with including an insert-package that can flavor your milk with chipotle which actually isn't as bad as it sounds but it doesn't mix to well with the marshmallows.
    I lol'd.

    Hahaha oh wow.

    This has to be a joke.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited April 2008
    I guess this is H/A territory. Moving.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    TACOS FOR BREAKFAST?!?!

    Relevant.

    Anyway, if this is a serious venture, you should probably patent the idea beforehand, to prevent anyone from taking your idea. Although, I don't see that happening. Ugh.

    Wouldn't the pieces of meat in ramen and cup-of-noodles be what you are looking for?

    Kibble, perhaps?

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.

    Now see if you wanted something novel, why don't you just go for a taco breakfast bar? People have less and less time these days, so something they could just pick up, open and take with them while eating would be a far better idea than something like your idea. And it takes away the gag factor of mixing ground meat, salsa and other ingredients that should not be mixed with marshmallows and milk.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.
    There's a difference between "non-traditional" breakfast and puking uncontrollably.

    Honestly I think you'd be better off making some sort of taco toaster pocket, instead of jam or whatever, you have meat and cheese. Like pop tarts. Tac-Tarts? Tarto's? Milk+beef+Mexican seasoning just doesn't go. Ever. Nobody drinks milk at a Mexican restaurant.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.

    Now see if you wanted something novel, why don't you just go for a taco breakfast bar? People have less and less time these days, so something they could just pick up, open and take with them while eating would be a far better idea than something like your idea. And it takes away the gag factor of mixing ground meat, salsa and other ingredients that should not be mixed with marshmallows and milk.

    Actually most people are pleasantly surprised at the mixing of ground beef and milk. The only issues initially were any residue oil and milk being sort of strange looking but with added gelatin into the ground beef mix they make a nicer suspension that is more appealing.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.
    There's a difference between "non-traditional" breakfast and puking uncontrollably.

    Honestly I think you'd be better off making some sort of taco toaster pocket, instead of jam or whatever, you have meat and cheese. Like pop tarts. Tac-Tarts? Tarto's? Milk+beef+Mexican seasoning just doesn't go. Ever. Nobody drinks milk at a Mexican restaurant.

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Actually most people are pleasantly surprised at the mixing of ground beef and milk. The only issues initially were any residue oil and milk being sort of strange looking but with added gelatin into the ground beef mix they make a nicer suspension that is more appealing.

    Define "most".
    Nobody drinks milk at a Mexican restaurant.

    Horchata. But that's digressing.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Actually most people are pleasantly surprised at the mixing of ground beef and milk. The only issues initially were any residue oil and milk being sort of strange looking but with added gelatin into the ground beef mix they make a nicer suspension that is more appealing.

    Define "most".

    The majority. We've only done small samples but out of two dozen people less than 5 people objected out of hand.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    More than 5 people in this thread have objected out of hand.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Go to Taco Bell or some roach truck.

    Buy yourself a taco.

    Get a glass of milk.

    Stick the taco into the milk, and with a spoon, mash it all up.

    Is this what you want to sell to people?

    Well obviously that would be a pretty horrible way to market that sort of idea. Our hope is that within the "cereal isle" it would stand out as a novel product. Could it be marketed as a breakfast cereal? Certainly. Our preliminary work shows that Americans are moving away from a traditional breakfast. Also, as a snack food there some interest in a snack that can be spooned out of a box but something that is savory.
    There's a difference between "non-traditional" breakfast and puking uncontrollably.

    Honestly I think you'd be better off making some sort of taco toaster pocket, instead of jam or whatever, you have meat and cheese. Like pop tarts. Tac-Tarts? Tarto's? Milk+beef+Mexican seasoning just doesn't go. Ever. Nobody drinks milk at a Mexican restaurant.

    Well because that is already a well-traveled path. There are Hot Pocket varieties with taco flavorings and even Pizza Rolls. Besides in traditional Mexican cuisine there is a liberal use of cream in beef dishes. Taco Bell may not use cream but we're going for a more traditionally flavored Mexican cereal.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    More than 5 people in this thread have objected out of hand.

    That's without being placed in front of the product though. Sure, I think that the idea initially may be a little raw at this point but if you think about some common foods now they didn't start with pleasant origins. Mayonnaise, Jell-O, Blue Cheese, etc.

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Are there boxed dinners out there that have pre-packaged ground beef?

    Yes, there are. The beef 'n such comes in a can.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

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  • chuck steakchuck steak Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I just don't think most people, when eating a taco, think "hmm, this taco isn't sweet or wet enough, it could sure use some marshmellows and milk".

    But who knows, maybe you're a visionary ahead of your time. Though I don't think meaty milk will ever take off.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    embrik wrote: »
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    Are there boxed dinners out there that have pre-packaged ground beef?

    Yes, there are. The beef 'n such comes in a can.

    The canned idea was certainly tossed around. The only problem is the packaging with the can wouldn't fit a normal cereal-like box which we definitely want to keep the idea of Taco-in-a-cereal-box idea. We'd thought about the smaller cans or even a different manufactured container but strangely enough both are extremely expensive than the industry standard sizes.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

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  • chuck steakchuck steak Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

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  • mcpmcp Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Dinty Moore has some beef stew stuff that comes in a tray type thing. Maybe you could see what they do, and see if you could apply some of their ideas.

    I can see fatties getting excited about the prospect of taco cereal.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

    Actually, meat in milk is surprising. Especially with the chipotle flavoring. It's kind of like a savory milkshake.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.
    What you have then is basically taco seasoned Chex Mix in milk.

    :edit: "Savory milkshake" gets about the same response out of me as "colonoscopy".

    :second edit: It would be like drinking taco gravy. Your prime (probably only) consumers would all be too fat to get to the store to buy it.

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  • chuck steakchuck steak Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

    Actually, meat in milk is surprising. Especially with the chipotle flavoring. It's kind of like a savory milkshake.

    I guess your demographic probably isn't the health concsious or anything. Maybe a meat milkshake appeals to the McDonalds crowd who will eat anything.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

    Yes... I would be far more likely to try a taco flavored cereal than I would a "cereal" with meat bits in it directly. Though honestly I'd probably never consider buying it anyway. There are far more effective ways than cereal of getting a taco fix if I need it.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    rvcontre78 wrote: »
    The problem is your ratio is off. Tacos consist of: Large amounts of corn or flour (tortilla), moderate amounts of beef and beans, smaller amounts of lettuce, tomato, and dairy (sour cream). Cereal is pretty much the opposite. Even if the milk tasted like chipotle, you'd be inundated with chipotle, and it would overpower the rest of the flavors.

    Well the vegetable components would mainly be corn-crisps. Besides, we're not trying to make Taco in a box as much as a Taco-Cereal.

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

    Actually, meat in milk is surprising. Especially with the chipotle flavoring. It's kind of like a savory milkshake.

    I guess your demographic probably isn't the health concsious or anything. Maybe a meat milkshake appeals to the McDonalds crowd who will eat anything.

    Yeah, we certainly aren't producing a health-conscious item here.

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Daenris wrote: »

    Then I would cut the meat right out. A taco flavoured cereal sounds far less gag-inducing than a bunch of meat floating around in milk. It actually might not be a terrible idea.

    Yes... I would be far more likely to try a taco flavored cereal than I would a "cereal" with meat bits in it directly. Though honestly I'd probably never consider buying it anyway. There are far more effective ways than cereal of getting a taco fix if I need it.

    Our ultimate goal would be to develop a cereal, that with milk, would combine the flavors of a zesty taco and a kids cereal. The texture we have so far is a little undesirable. Too much fresh ground beef at the moment. It's not exactly like dunking a taco in milk for several minutes but again it's because we're using fresh ground beef. We've even tinkered with not selling the ground beef in the box and just adding it immediately after browning like several boxed dinners (Hamburger Helper (which again has a good quantity of milk))

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    the problem there is stroganoff is a hot dish, your tacos are definitely not. Also when it comes to tacos and mexican cuisine of that nature, you have a lot of sour flavors ala lime and stuff. Not a good combo with milk (see curdling)

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  • rvcontre78rvcontre78 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    the problem there is stroganoff is a hot dish, your tacos are definitely not. Also when it comes to tacos and mexican cuisine of that nature, you have a lot of sour flavors ala lime and stuff. Not a good combo with milk (see curdling)

    I may not have expressed this here but we do intend for the cereal to warm with an almost oatmeal like consistency without the homogeneity. We're not using any strong flavors like lime, cilantro, that would cause curdling of the milk.

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  • PeekingDuckPeekingDuck __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    So basically you are making a real thin hamburger helper? o_O

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So basically you are making a real thin hamburger helper? o_O

    Apparently... but they also want it to have some cereal taste...

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  • cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So is this marketed for the people who want to start their day with diarrhea?

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    cfgauss wrote: »
    So is this marketed for the people who want to start their day with diarrhea?

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