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Soundproofing suggestions?

Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I play drums. Too loud, it seems. My neighbors up the hill, down the hill and 5 or 6 houses in each direction complain. So our plan is to move the drums into the garage, and we need it soundproofed. As I understand it, theres no cheap soundproofing, you can't just tack something onto a wall and call it done. So I need some help knowing how much it would cost to do, what are some good materials and all that. Basically give me a crash course on soundproofing, please. Thanks.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    I don't know why any foam wouldn't work. Stuff like this works pretty well. It is kind of hard to imagine that people five houses away can hear you drums.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Toilet paper. Floor to ceiling. Every wall. :lol:

    Google a company called Auralex. They might have something for you. Also try to look for "acoustics 101." Problem is, even if you do a decent job of foaming up your walls, you won't be able to foam up the garage door and sound will just pass through there.

    The best way is to actually build a room within a room. Like a sound capsule.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    When I was at a friends place, he had a sound proof room in his basement, they had carpets on the wall to help absorb the noise, that might help a bit.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    If you have a basement it's by default your best choice. Soundproof the ceiling of a fully subterranean basement and you're 99% done.

    Failing that, yes, the garage door is going to always be a source for sound leakage. You can hang heavy curtains in front of it and that'll help, but there's only so much you can do about it.

    Where are you practicing right now that you have neighbours on different properties complaining? Outdoors?

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  • Sir Red of the MantiSir Red of the Manti Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If I could hijack this thread for a query, what's the best way to soundproof a ceiling with metal AC ventilation going to it? I can't exactly plug up the AC, but at the same time, it carries sound through it like an intercom. Is there anything I can do to silence a giant metal tube?

    Also to the op, egg crate foam. That stuff works wonders.

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  • Dark MoonDark Moon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Acoustic foam that works is holy-shit expensive. Sonex is $230ish a box, and each box covers 64 square feet. Even then, that will only do so much.

    Heavy curtains and big, thick comforters draped on the walls should dampen the noise a good amount. To dampen the actual drums, put feminine napkins on them. They're fantastic - already sticky on one side, and they reduce the vibration of the skin a good bit. If that's not enough, perhaps you should consider only playing during the day?

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Well I generally play from about 4-7. I'm surrounded by old people who are really really "sensitive" to the noise. I'd really like to try and stay away from the once per day limit, because drumming is absolutely my favorite thing to do.
    As for the soundproofing part, the garage wont work (door plus ceiling is too problematic, theres no real flat roof), the basement wont work (too small) and the inside the house won't work because we'd have to tear down the walls to effectively soundproof or it or drape foam and shit on the walls, which my parents are not down for. We built a shed out back and that looks like our best bet, so I'll check out that auralex foam stuff.

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  • EnkiEnki Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Wait, the shed in the yard is bigger than the basement??

    Also, I'm assuming all the people closer than 5-6 houses away are complaining as well?
    where are the drums now? If they're in your room/living room, Something that may work, which I've seen used in recording studios are movable "walls" made of blankets, or something like that. nothing fancy, just a 2x4 frame with a blanket in the middle, but anything that reduces the sound vibration will help. It won't help a whole lot, but it's pretty cheap, and non-permanent.

    As for the question about the A/C vent, the first thing that comes to mind is baffles of some sort. Nothing immediately up against it so air flow can continue, but one/several hanging blankets/whatever loosely over the vent should help somewhat.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The basement is pretty large, but there is no one point where a drumset could fit, whether it's due to a narrow hallway or due to a low ceiling.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pretty sure I've heard of egg cartons being really good for sound proofing. That'd probably be super budget, if ugly as hell and a little bit of work to set up

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    big foam block inside your bass drum?

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    big foam block inside your bass drum?

    Yes, but what about the cymbals?


    Personally, OP, this is why I invested in a Roland TD-20 V-Drum set. It is expensive as fuck, but honestly, it is probably the closest an electric set is ever going to get to acoustic. I won't be in a house for years, so I can take my electric drums wherever I go, granted I pack some headphones. Also, recording is a fucking cinch.

    But back to Auralex, it is expensive stuff. It is arguably the best, but expensive. What will help you is the www.acoustics101.com. I believe they cover stuff about rooms in there that might prove useful.

    The good thing about building a shed is that it is damn easy - drywalling is a piece of cake. Just don't forget to try and get some sort of ventilation in there, because if you get as sweaty as I do when I play, you're in for a world of hurt in a sealed room.

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  • TrentusTrentus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pretty sure I've heard of egg cartons being really good for sound proofing. That'd probably be super budget, if ugly as hell and a little bit of work to set up

    Yeah, my music teachers always told me egg cartons were the way to go... however, I believe egg trays would be more manageable (basically big dimpled sheets made of the same stuff as the cartons). You could stack a few on top of each other to increase the thickness, and it wouldn't be too hard to tile them around a room. You'd probably have to investigate how many trays thick you should have them, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    Trentus wrote: »
    Pretty sure I've heard of egg cartons being really good for sound proofing. That'd probably be super budget, if ugly as hell and a little bit of work to set up

    Yeah, my music teachers always told me egg cartons were the way to go... however, I believe egg trays would be more manageable (basically big dimpled sheets made of the same stuff as the cartons). You could stack a few on top of each other to increase the thickness, and it wouldn't be too hard to tile them around a room. You'd probably have to investigate how many trays thick you should have them, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

    These don't work because of the thickness, they work because they break and reflect the soundwaves. They're not a 100% measure either, but a sheet of them on top of acoustic foam, or even insulating foam, or even a heavy, heavy drape or comforter will vastly improve your sound dampening. Doubling them up won't make much difference at all.

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  • Spoom182Spoom182 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I've heard this Egg Carton thing is just a myth. I don't really have anything to prove it, just the word of forumgoers in other forums.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    It's not going to turn the sound off completely and it won't do a hell of a lot on its own, but especially with bassy sounds that will rumble through acoustic foam, it helps.

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  • Dark MoonDark Moon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Spoom, it does. Most acoustic foam will come with one side cut into egg-carton-like shape already. If you're buying the foam, stockpiling egg cartons isn't necessary, but if you do go with a cheaper option adding the egg-cartons should help a bit.

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  • cmorrscmorrs Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pick up a book (find it at a library?)... "Modern Recording Techniques" by David Miles Huber... great book for audio in general, but look at chapter 3... has a laundry list of things you can do to make an isolated and balanced room. The garage (assuming you're not using it for anything) might be a good place to create your own little studio of sorts. To get it really isolated, you have to create fake floors and ceilings, use some isolation foam, and get big heavy doors. It's really the low-end, bassy frequencies that are getting out... bass traps help with that.

    All depends on your budget. If you have enough cash, you could create an isolated room in your garage using some of the techniques described. But if you want to go the cheaper route, find a small preferably windowless room, put up lots of iso-foam (or egg cartons) and bass traps (whether you make them or buy them), and get a big heavy door. That should help.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Cardboard egg cartons on the walls are great.

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  • HlubockyHlubocky Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I saw this on wired last night:

    http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Soundproof_a_Room

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited April 2008
    play your kit in the daytime.

    when it is getting too late to play your kit, set up a practice kit. Get a few practice pads, a kick pedal against a flat surface and use some plastic discs and shit for your cymbals (my old drummer used to use frisbees). It ain't the same, but it's as close as you can get without spending a shitload of cash, and it's practically silent from the next room over.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
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