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Epic accused of stealing a mod

CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Games and Technology
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?p=9943142
This is the 360 map:
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32978.html

This is the mod:
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The modder was banned from the Epic forums when he complained about it in a thread.
ok this is bull, they stole my arctic shipment map idea, the exact same thing - http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33033.html

look at the map wit the crane and the crates, its snowing and there icebergs and everything from like my map. Thats retarded, is Epic really going that low to steal others work? I can't believe this...
The maps do look really similar even if the boat idea isn't that original.

Edit: Both pictures are from the original mod. Remind me not to get news from gametrailer's forums.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Big who cares? You can't steal others' work.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Don't forget that they deleted the thread he posted in.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.

    xzzy on
  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I was going to say, "Who cares; everyone makes a boat map."

    But.. those aren't just similar.. they're practically the exact same.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    How many shooters have desert maps? How many shooters have jungle maps? I'm pretty sure there was a boat in Shadow Warrior, Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament 1, Call of Duty 1 and 4 and a shit load of other titles.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    Don't forget that they deleted the thread he posted in.

    The entire forums are down for me.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Pata on
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  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    xzzy wrote: »
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.
    Yeah that would be good, you know what companies should do...let people go online with copied games and then check the copy to see if its real...with a cd key or something and if it isn't they should like do an update thats acutally a virus that makes your monitor explode and shoots glass into your face, then screams OWNED or something from the UT vocabulary

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  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    How many shooters have desert maps? How many shooters have jungle maps? I'm pretty sure there was a boat in Shadow Warrior, Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament 1, Call of Duty 1 and 4 and a shit load of other titles.

    How many shooters have the exact same jungle/desert layout between them?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Is there any reason fro both maps to have those spire things sticking out in the background?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    xzzy wrote: »
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.

    I like this post a lot. Kudos sir.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Why wouldn't they? Even if nothing was up they don't want to something that could be financially damaging to them on their own forums.

    Well okay OTHER than the common 'shitty game, bugs all around, n00b gun is n00b,' stuff.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The best solution would be to offer all the mod team jobs right now. Pretty much any other solution will lead to bad press for them.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Guys, this isn't just similar like any 2 desert maps in two FPSs. These are practically the same exact map..
    titmouse wrote: »
    Is there any reason fro both maps to have those spire things sticking out in the background?

    The skybox texture is identical. It's the same one.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Dixon wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.
    Yeah that would be good, you know what companies should do...let people go online with copied games and then check the copy to see if its real...with a cd key or something and if it isn't they should like do an update thats acutally a virus that makes your monitor explode and shoots glass into your face, then screams OWNED or something from the UT vocabulary

    "Head Shot!"

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Dixon wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.
    Yeah that would be good, you know what companies should do...let people go online with copied games and then check the copy to see if its real...with a cd key or something and if it isn't they should like do an update thats acutally a virus that makes your monitor explode and shoots glass into your face, then screams OWNED or something from the UT vocabulary

    Been done!

    hackerbomb.jpg

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Why wouldn't they? Even if nothing was up they don't want to something that could be financially damaging to them on their own forums.

    It would have been trival to prove the maps were not the same.

    Plus, just locking the thread would have been enough, banning and deleting the thread? A bit overkill.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    unless this texture was already in the game. At which point this doesn't matter.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Is it possible Epic had been producing this map and some random mod guy managed to snatch it up... ?

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  • MechMantisMechMantis Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    From the looks of it, some of the same static meshes in the exact same locations.


    If it's just static meshes and stock textures, then it's meh.


    But if they're stealing brushwork and custom textures, then it's "What the fuck are you doing?"

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    And cue loud, self-righteous hooting from Mark Rein in 3, 2, 1...

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Why wouldn't they? Even if nothing was up they don't want to something that could be financially damaging to them on their own forums.

    Well okay OTHER than the common 'shitty game, bugs all around, n00b gun is n00b,' stuff.

    It makes them look suspicious. If they wanted to appear honest, they would simply just explain that the mods only look similar because the idea of an antarctic boat level is really common. Instead, they ban the use and delete the thread. That is like screaming out "I did it!"

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  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    where is this 'footage' the other thread talks about, the only 360 footage i could find didn't contain the map in question

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Why wouldn't they? Even if nothing was up they don't want to something that could be financially damaging to them on their own forums.

    Well okay OTHER than the common 'shitty game, bugs all around, n00b gun is n00b,' stuff.

    It makes them look suspicious. If they wanted to appear honest, they would simply just explain that the mods only look similar because the idea of an antarctic boat level is really common. Instead, they ban the use and delete the thread. That is like screaming out "I did it!"

    Or maybe the guy had a history on the forums being a complete twat, and this is was the point they got annoyed enough to do something about it.

    Not really taking Epic's side here, just making the point that we really don't have enough details to make a judgement.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    A: Any and all user created maps adhere to the EULA, stating clearly in plain English that any maps you create using the tool provided are property of Epic Games.

    B: The map he created uses Epic created assets not featured on other maps. He didn't hand paint every texture nor model every single object in the world. IE he stumbled upon a work in progress on the disc.

    C: 'Boat in the Arctic' is hardly an original idea.

    D : Whining about it on the official forums is a sure fire way to be shut up quickly.


    Conclusion: He has absolutely no moral highground here.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Epic is acting pretty fishy here.

    If there really was nothing up, then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

    Why wouldn't they? Even if nothing was up they don't want to something that could be financially damaging to them on their own forums.

    It would have been trival to prove the maps were not the same.

    Plus, just locking the thread would have been enough, banning and deleting the thread? A bit overkill.

    Trivial if that was the only post on the forums ever, but that is not the case. Better to just wipe it out and then only worry about it if a big brouhaha ensues.

    Besides, they may be investigating it now but legal doesn't want such a matter public I would think.

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  • Flippy_DFlippy_D Digital Conquistador LondonRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Dixon wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Maybe it's payback for all the people who pirated their games.
    Yeah that would be good, you know what companies should do...let people go online with copied games and then check the copy to see if its real...with a cd key or something and if it isn't they should like do an update thats acutally a virus that makes your monitor explode and shoots glass into your face, then screams OWNED or something from the UT vocabulary

    I laughed so fucking hard at this post. :^: :^:

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

    And this random internet person made that skybox all by himself?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

    That's because the OP has accidentally posted 2 screenshots of the Epic made map, not the user created one.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    A: Any and all user created maps adhere to the EULA, stating clearly in plain English that any maps you create using the tool provided are property of Epic Games.

    This is a question, because I would assume so but don't know -

    Doesn't said agreement also have something along the lines of "Epic games will credit any user created content to the creator"?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

    How many boat models would UT3 have? I know nothing about the map editor so no I can't say it's a complete rip till I know what kind of resources are offered for modders.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    A: Any and all user created maps adhere to the EULA, stating clearly in plain English that any maps you create using the tool provided are property of Epic Games.

    This is a question, because I would assume so but don't know -

    Doesn't said agreement also have something along the lines of "Epic games will credit any user created content to the creator"?

    Short answer : no.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    A: Any and all user created maps adhere to the EULA, stating clearly in plain English that any maps you create using the tool provided are property of Epic Games.

    This is a question, because I would assume so but don't know -

    Doesn't said agreement also have something along the lines of "Epic games will credit any user created content to the creator"?

    Follow up: Has anyone here bothered to check if they did instead of assuming?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

    That's because the OP has accidentally posted 2 screenshots of the Epic made map, not the user created one.

    Well that's an important thing to note.

    Any idea if there's a site for the mod?

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  • RakaiRakai Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    Oh come on, are none of you using your eyes? They're using the exact same boat model, with those weird arches and the satellite dish and everything. They're using the exact same skybox as demonstrated, complete with twisters.

    It's a complete rip. 100%.

    That's because the OP has accidentally posted 2 screenshots of the Epic made map, not the user created one.

    Do we have pictures of the mod then?

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  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    also stop saying mod, its a map, not a mod. a mod would mean they modified the gameplay

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    also stop saying mod, its a map, not a mod. a mod would mean they modified the gameplay

    I'll mod mod when I want to say mod you modding modhead

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  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    A: Any and all user created maps adhere to the EULA, stating clearly in plain English that any maps you create using the tool provided are property of Epic Games.

    B: The map he created uses Epic created assets not featured on other maps. He didn't hand paint every texture nor model every single object in the world. IE he stumbled upon a work in progress on the disc.

    C: 'Boat in the Arctic' is hardly an original idea.

    D : Whining about it on the official forums is a sure fire way to be shut up quickly.


    Conclusion: He has absolutely no moral highground here.

    A:
    (a) The Software (but not the Server-Only Software) includes an editor and associated tools and utilities (the "UnrealEd") which were developed by Epic and by other licensors of great software tools. UnrealEd is a really cool feature which allows you to modify the Software (but not the Server-Only Software) or to construct new variations for use with it. These modifications and variations can be both playable and non‑playable. UnrealEd is NOT shareware. You will not combine the Software with any software that is licensed under the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License or any other open source license agreement. You may not freely distribute it to any BBS, CD, floppy or any other media. You may not sell it or repackage it for sale. When you finish reading this License, you will see that there are additional licenses for specific software that is included as part of UnrealEd. Even though their tools are included in the Software, you must read and agree to those license terms before you can use the software that is specifically referenced.
    (b) Using UnrealEd, you may create modifications or enhancements to the Software (but not the Server-Only Software), including the construction of new levels (collectively referred to as "Mods"), subject to the following restrictions:
    i. Your Mods must only work with the full, registered copy of the Software, not independently or with any other software.
    ii. Your Mods must not contain modifications to any executable file(s).
    iii. Your Mods must not contain any libelous, defamatory, or other illegal material, material that is scandalous or invades the rights of privacy or publicity of any third party, nor may your Mods contain, or be used in conjunction with, any trademarks, copyright‑protected work, or other recognizable property of third parties, nor may your Mods be used by you, or anyone else, for any commercial exploitation including, but not limited to advertising or marketing for a company, product or service.
    iv. Your Mods will not be supported by Epic, MIDWAY, our third party tool licensors or any of such parties' affiliates and subsidiaries, and if distributed pursuant to this License, your Mods must include a statement to such effect.
    v. Your Mods must be distributed solely for free, period. Neither you, nor any other person or party, may sell them to anyone, commercially exploit them in any way, or charge anyone for receiving or using them without prior written consent from Epic and Midway. You may exchange them at no charge among other end‑users and distribute them to others over the Internet, on magazine cover disks, or otherwise for free.
    vi. The prohibitions and restrictions in this section apply to anyone in possession of the Software or any of your Mods.
    Emphasis mine. As far as I can see, there is nothing in there that claims Epic has rights to your created mods, only that you can not sell them.

    B: No clue

    C: Yeah, since when did every arctic map or desert map or kin look exactly the same? The fact that they look to be the same map, even with the same skybox, is a bit bad. If it had changed a bit, then it would be fair.

    D : Getting banned and having a thread deleted for wanting credit to a map you created is a surefire way to ruin a company's reputation

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  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    *head asplosion*

    seriously i can't find anything other then those 2 pictures, i need more pictures/video to pass judgement

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