I wasn't aware that cheek piercings were an obvious sign of someone's background. It's probably because I don't buy the blurring of the line you are trying to produce between someone with black skin or an accent and a middle class kid who chooses to appear a certain way.
The lines are blurry. What about the inner city kid who dresses like all his friends? Should we ignore him as well?
Really, I'm curious to know what about not appearing in a suit, or having a piercing, or having dyed hair, is so offensive that it warrants dismissal from public discourse.
Is it offensive, or does it simply communicate a rejection of mainstream society?
Wouldn't it be a tad ironic for someone to dress to communicate a disregard for social convention, and then demand all the advantages of social convention?
I dunno. Piercings in random places that look painful and to me pretty ugly are generally signs of what someone is going to be like. I assume that she is an idiot because that looks like an idiotic place to get a piercing.
Next up: women in heels no longer to be listened to. Those things hurt, are impossible to be active in, and can do unfortunate things to your tendons. What taardvarks women can be.
Not even the olympic bobsled team could ride that slippery slope to victory.
Most of them probably are for legalizeation of it, but not for reasons other than "zomgosh legalize weed cuz I want to smoke it"
And? That's the primary reason I want it legalized. It's got some nifty medical uses too but I would much rather just have a better alternative to alcohol.
Im just saying its not some high and mighty lets go protest this injustice thing. Its just I "want me some weed".
Er, different people care about different things. And it's a ban that puts thousands in prison with convicted murderers for having the audacity to use/sell a safer drug than what the government allows so I'd say it's rather protest worthy.
I agree that it is protest worthy and there is nothing wrong with people just showing up because you want to not be arrested when you smoke weed. I just doubt many people are there for the protest. If it was "lets go have a march about legalizing weed" but they weren't smoking a bunch of it there, I doubt 10% of those people would have showed up.
I was rebutting someone who made it seem like it was them doing somthing altruistic.
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I dunno. Piercings in random places that look painful and to me pretty ugly are generally signs of what someone is going to be like. I assume that she is an idiot because that looks like an idiotic place to get a piercing.
Well now you're just being ridiculous and judgemental.
Tell me you don't assume things about people by the way they look.
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Tell me you don't assume things about people by the way they look.
Of course I do. But I make certain to let it affect my actual judgement of them as little as possible. To say nothing of the fact that I don't see a body decoration that was possibly painful to get as idiotic in any way. People care more about different things and exist and live within cultures with different values. That doesn't make them idiotic, it makes them different. I've yet to see a culture that ran on pure logic anyway.
Tell me you don't assume things about people by the way they look.
Of course I do. But I make certain to let it affect my actual judgement of them as little as possible. To say nothing of the fact that I don't see a body decoration that was possibly painful to get as idiotic in any way. People care more about different things and exist and live within cultures with different values. That doesn't make them idiotic, it makes them different. I've yet to see a culture that ran on pure logic anyway.
So if the public-defender showed up looking like that for a criminal trial you don't think it would affect the outcome.
Perhaps. Since they are trying to change things they should adjust the presentation of their message, which they control, rather than expect my preconceptions to change.
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Speaking like a white-collar professional is probably the more difficult part of the equation, and it's substantially more difficult if that's not your native dialect of English. I was raised using the received pronunciation and diction of academic and business English, which makes it much easier for me to present arguments in a way that seems learned and respectable. However, yes, even the clothes are a barrier of entry. To someone without much money, a suit can be quite expensive, and appearing in shabby or ill-fitting clothes makes the speaker seem less respectable. This is especially true if the person doesn't have a regular occasion to wear a suit, and would have to invest in the outfit specifically for the occasion.
This is, of course, more topical to the situation of the poor than it is to college students who want more weed. However, it is a counterpoint to the idea that we should only respect messages that come to us in the language and attire of the privileged.
In this case, I would ask why a person should be forced to take out their piercings to be heard. It's stupid to dismiss people based entirely on the fact that they have a certain manner of dress, just as it would be stupid to dismiss a person for speaking with a particular accent or for otherwise displaying an obvious marker of their background.
Attempting to present a serious appearance shows respect for your audience. You don't have to take out your piercings for me to take you seriously; I, personally, don't really give a shit about piercings. However, society as a whole feels differently. There are people who won't take me seriously because I'm fat, or people who won't take you seriously because you're male. Is it fair? No. It's just how it is. And changing the things we have control over in order to show respect for your audience is just part of presenting your argument. Would I expect someone to take my arguments seriously when the first thing I do is walk up to them, shout "FUCK YOU!" as loudly as I can in their face, and then begin to engage in a rational discourse? I don't see why I should. And to a lot of people, piercings and a lack of serious attire are basically shouting that before you even open your mouth.
Perhaps. Since they are trying to change things they should adjust the presentation of their message, which they control, rather than expect my preconceptions to change.
How dare they ask you not to immediately think they're idiots because they have the gall to get a facial piercing.
How dare they?
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There are people who won't take me seriously because I'm fat, or people who won't take you seriously because you're male. Is it fair? No. It's just how it is.
And those people, much like the people in this thread, should be shamed.
Perhaps. Since they are trying to change things they should adjust the presentation of their message, which they control, rather than expect my preconceptions to change.
How dare they ask you not to immediately think they're idiots because they have the gall to get a facial piercing.
How dare they?
Abloo bloo bloo, those poor oppressed pot-heads. Won't somebody think of the pot-heads?! *sob*
There are people who won't take me seriously because I'm fat, or people who won't take you seriously because you're male. Is it fair? No. It's just how it is.
And those people, much like the people in this thread, should be shamed.
If that ideal is more important to you than the cause of legalizing marijuana it would be nice of you to go protest it separately because team-killers suck.
Perhaps. Since they are trying to change things they should adjust the presentation of their message, which they control, rather than expect my preconceptions to change.
How dare they ask you not to immediately think they're idiots because they have the gall to get a facial piercing.
How dare they?
well, its not facial piercings in general, that one just looks dumb.
Also, what Thantos, speaker, and VC said.
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It does. But only so much. And is completely useless in finding out anything meaningful in the majority of situations.
However in the context of showing up to what is supposed to be a persuasive public-assembly it tells me that you're not actually that keen on swaying anyone.
Please tell me no one actually believes these protests wouldn't have a more positive impact if they had all showed up per federal-employee dress-code.
Hell, I think it would make for a bonus news story if the people at one of these hippie smoke-ins were actually not dressed like hippies and totally fucked up on pot.
"A bunch of stereotypical stoner hippies show up to get high"
vs
"A bunch of white-collar professionals who happen to smoke pot show up and soberly fight for legalization."
I'd dare say the latter has not ever happened in the history of the universe.
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I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
Please tell me no one actually believes these protests wouldn't have a more positive impact if they had all showed up per federal-employee dress-code.
Hell, I think it would make for a bonus news story if the people at one of these hippie smoke-ins were actually not dressed like hippies and totally fucked up on pot.
"A bunch of stereotypical stoner hippies show up to get high"
vs
"A bunch of white-collar professionals who happen to smoke pot show up and soberly fight for legalization."
I'd dare say the latter has not ever happened in the history of the universe.
Not with pot, no. Other protests petitioning for rights from the government have had a fair bit of success with controlling their presentation of themselves to maximize influence.
I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
Please tell me no one actually believes these protests wouldn't have a more positive impact if they had all showed up per federal-employee dress-code.
Hell, I think it would make for a bonus news story if the people at one of these hippie smoke-ins were actually not dressed like hippies and totally fucked up on pot.
"A bunch of stereotypical stoner hippies show up to get high"
vs
"A bunch of white-collar professionals who happen to smoke pot show up and soberly fight for legalization."
I'd dare say the latter has not ever happened in the history of the universe.
I was just about to come in and say something like this.
A bunch of stoners holding a smoke-in on their little druggie holiday doesn't mean anything to anyone.
I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
So you oppose legalization. Why?
I'm not opposed, but it's not like it's going to stop people from doing it regardless of legality. What I'm saying is if you're going to break the law, at least be smart about it.
Insofar as legalization, I think that it's something that'd take years, probably decades to ever happen in the states. There'd have to be heavy tests on it, most likely done by the FDA, and it'd be heavily regulated (at the very least like alcohol). Probably will make it similar to Amsterdam with Hash Bars and in home being the only legal places to smoke it.
I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
So you oppose legalization. Why?
I dont think that is what he was saying.
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I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
So you oppose legalization. Why?
I dont think that is what he was saying.
I don't think it's what he meant to say, but it's exactly what he's saying. As far as I'm concerned no one deserves to go to jail for smoking pot, that's fucking ridiculous.
I smoke it because it's great and if you're smart about it you won't ever really get in trouble.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
So you oppose legalization. Why?
I'm not opposed, but it's not like it's going to stop people from doing it regardless of legality. What I'm saying is if you're going to break the law, at least be smart about it.
Insofar as legalization, I think that it's something that'd take years, probably decades to ever happen in the states. There'd have to be heavy tests on it, most likely done by the FDA, and it'd be heavily regulated (at the very least like alcohol). Probably will make it similar to Amsterdam with Hash Bars and in home being the only legal places to smoke it.
The FDA has already approved Marijuanna for medical use. I don't see why they'd have to go throughyears of testing again.
Seriously, the only reason that there should NEED to be, right now, is that by legalizingit, you include it officiallyin the national economy. Drugs are a thing that tend to sell more when times are worse, so it would even help to offset the recession some tiny bit.
I agree that pot is harmless, like alcohol is harmless. If regulated, it wouldn't be any worse than drinking a bottle of Jack.
What I AM saying is that right now, if you get caught smoking, it's your own damn fault, because it's not hard to hide it at all. Don't drive high, don't do it in public, and make sure your dealer isn't a RETARD and you'll be fine. Yeah, it's a few hoops to jump through, but if we keep it up... well, look at the prohibition back in the 20's.
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There are people who won't take me seriously because I'm fat, or people who won't take you seriously because you're male. Is it fair? No. It's just how it is.
And those people, much like the people in this thread, should be shamed.
But you can't shame them, it's part of who they are! How dare you judge them!
There are people who won't take me seriously because I'm fat, or people who won't take you seriously because you're male. Is it fair? No. It's just how it is.
And those people, much like the people in this thread, should be shamed.
How would that make a drum circle protest more effective at its stated goal, whatever that may be?
Potheads, hippies, &c. protesting for the legalisation fo marijuana are free to be ineffective homps. We are free to call them ineffective homps. Yay, freedom!
Not with pot, no. Other protests petitioning for rights from the government have had a fair bit of success with controlling their presentation of themselves to maximize influence.
I don't disagree.
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A whole lot of professionals and white-collar workers smoke pot on weekends. Where the fuck were they for this thing? Why didn't they throw their lot in with the rabble that showed up here?
A whole lot of professionals and white-collar workers smoke pot on weekends. Where the fuck were they for this thing? Why didn't they throw their lot in with the rabble that showed up here?
I don't know about the rest of them (well, I don't actually smoke pot, I just support legalization), but I was registering Obama voters.
You know, doing something that might actually effect some change.
A whole lot of professionals and white-collar workers smoke pot on weekends. Where the fuck were they for this thing? Why didn't they throw their lot in with the rabble that showed up here?
I don't know about the rest of them (well, I don't actually smoke pot, I just support legalization), but I was registering Obama voters.
You know, doing something that might actually effect some change.
That's basically what I was trying to suggest. These people strike me as shiftless layabouts because that's their idea of trying to change their lot in life, not because their dress is consistent with shiftless layabouts.
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Is it offensive, or does it simply communicate a rejection of mainstream society?
Wouldn't it be a tad ironic for someone to dress to communicate a disregard for social convention, and then demand all the advantages of social convention?
Not even the olympic bobsled team could ride that slippery slope to victory.
I agree that it is protest worthy and there is nothing wrong with people just showing up because you want to not be arrested when you smoke weed. I just doubt many people are there for the protest. If it was "lets go have a march about legalizing weed" but they weren't smoking a bunch of it there, I doubt 10% of those people would have showed up.
I was rebutting someone who made it seem like it was them doing somthing altruistic.
but they're listening to every word I say
Tell me you don't assume things about people by the way they look.
but they're listening to every word I say
As do I. It would just be easier for them to get their point across if my preconception was a positive one.
but they're listening to every word I say
So if the public-defender showed up looking like that for a criminal trial you don't think it would affect the outcome.
Perhaps. Since they are trying to change things they should adjust the presentation of their message, which they control, rather than expect my preconceptions to change.
but they're listening to every word I say
How dare they?
And those people, much like the people in this thread, should be shamed.
Abloo bloo bloo, those poor oppressed pot-heads. Won't somebody think of the pot-heads?! *sob*
If that ideal is more important to you than the cause of legalizing marijuana it would be nice of you to go protest it separately because team-killers suck.
It makes me cutting edge in a totally 1920's way.
well, its not facial piercings in general, that one just looks dumb.
Also, what Thantos, speaker, and VC said.
but they're listening to every word I say
But that piercing really, really, looks bad.
but they're listening to every word I say
Ill judge people if I want. :.P
How you dress does say somthing about you.
but they're listening to every word I say
However in the context of showing up to what is supposed to be a persuasive public-assembly it tells me that you're not actually that keen on swaying anyone.
Hell, I think it would make for a bonus news story if the people at one of these hippie smoke-ins were actually not dressed like hippies and totally fucked up on pot.
"A bunch of stereotypical stoner hippies show up to get high"
vs
"A bunch of white-collar professionals who happen to smoke pot show up and soberly fight for legalization."
I'd dare say the latter has not ever happened in the history of the universe.
Seriously, the only people who get caught deserved to get caught.
Not with pot, no. Other protests petitioning for rights from the government have had a fair bit of success with controlling their presentation of themselves to maximize influence.
So you oppose legalization. Why?
I was just about to come in and say something like this.
A bunch of stoners holding a smoke-in on their little druggie holiday doesn't mean anything to anyone.
Take that Black People.
I'm not opposed, but it's not like it's going to stop people from doing it regardless of legality. What I'm saying is if you're going to break the law, at least be smart about it.
Insofar as legalization, I think that it's something that'd take years, probably decades to ever happen in the states. There'd have to be heavy tests on it, most likely done by the FDA, and it'd be heavily regulated (at the very least like alcohol). Probably will make it similar to Amsterdam with Hash Bars and in home being the only legal places to smoke it.
I dont think that is what he was saying.
but they're listening to every word I say
I don't think it's what he meant to say, but it's exactly what he's saying. As far as I'm concerned no one deserves to go to jail for smoking pot, that's fucking ridiculous.
The FDA has already approved Marijuanna for medical use. I don't see why they'd have to go throughyears of testing again.
Seriously, the only reason that there should NEED to be, right now, is that by legalizingit, you include it officiallyin the national economy. Drugs are a thing that tend to sell more when times are worse, so it would even help to offset the recession some tiny bit.
What I AM saying is that right now, if you get caught smoking, it's your own damn fault, because it's not hard to hide it at all. Don't drive high, don't do it in public, and make sure your dealer isn't a RETARD and you'll be fine. Yeah, it's a few hoops to jump through, but if we keep it up... well, look at the prohibition back in the 20's.
But you can't shame them, it's part of who they are! How dare you judge them!
How would that make a drum circle protest more effective at its stated goal, whatever that may be?
Potheads, hippies, &c. protesting for the legalisation fo marijuana are free to be ineffective homps. We are free to call them ineffective homps. Yay, freedom!
I don't disagree.
You know, doing something that might actually effect some change.
That's basically what I was trying to suggest. These people strike me as shiftless layabouts because that's their idea of trying to change their lot in life, not because their dress is consistent with shiftless layabouts.