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Silent Hill: Homecoming

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  • oddmentoddment Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Stolls wrote: »
    BoredGamer wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    I think that I'm one of the only people I know that liked and enjoyed every Silent Hill game I've played. There are issues I have with each, but I truly did like each one.

    But I did like some much more than others. SH2 > SH1 > SH3 >SH4 = SH0

    Yes. I loved SH2. And I'll Defend James Sunderland to the death.

    Hey, you're not friends with that red... pyramid thing, are you?

    The Silent Hill games make me long for a mute protagonist.

    Edit: Again, not to say I think the games are bad, they're anything but. But they really go out of their way to either make the mains uninteresting or give them really weak dialog.

    I quite liked Heather as a character, and James wasn't bad. Harry was pretty quiet... though nearly all his sentances contained the words 'Cheryl'. I think, so far, SH2 is my favourite, 1 and 2 are about equal in second place, Origins is a good third, and 4 is definatley fourth. It has redeeming qualities, but not enough to make it a good game. Just a horribly annoying ok one.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Haunting Ground was released in the US (Europe as well, though I believe it was called Demento or something there) and that costume in the video is an unlockable one.
    Of course, she starts the game naked (though she finds a sheet to wrap herself in before you take control of her), so you could still probably call it fanservice-y.
    Also of note, Haunting Ground apparently uses the castle/manor/whatever that was going to be used for Resident Evil 4 (remember the earlier trailers for RE4 when it had ghosts and Leon was infected with something? They didn't want all that design work to go to waste, so dumped it in Haunting Ground).
    I only played about a 1/4 of the way through the game, though, so can't comment too much on the gameplay or anything.

    As for Silent Hill games, I've always appreciated the feel of the first one more than the others. Sure, the monsters were a little more bland, but the backgrounds were much better. Especially the Otherworld versions. Midwich Elementary School was great.
    Progression also felt better. SH2 was okay as well, but SH3 and 4 might as well have had title cards pop up saying "Stage 1: Shopping Mall of Horrors," "Stage 2: Subway of the Damned," etc.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Haunting Ground was called Haunting Ground in Europe.
    And the fanservice-y main character makes a lot more sense when you realise all the montsers are just trying to rape her. (Not saying this makes it a good thing, but it does make it thematically consistent)
    Haven't had time to have a proper try at the game yet, but I liked Clocktower 3 up until the final boss, so I have some hopes for it.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Huh radio? What's wrong with that radio?

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I was playing alittle bit of Silent 3 and 4 today. From a gameplay perspective they are actually fairly awful. Especially 4, which has all these little logical leaps to progress in the game, for example look at this section from a gamefaqs walkthrough:

    "Check the small shelf in the corner of your living room near the kitchen to
    see that it has moved, choose to straighten it. You will find a -Pistol- on
    the ground. Examine the writing on the wall. After reading it, examine the
    hole in the wall. After doing so you'll hear the sound of a phone ringing.
    It's coming from your room, go back and answer it. When you leave the room
    another sound is heard. This time head to your front door and look out the
    peephole. That's brings an end to everything you need to do here, it's time
    to visit the world of the hole again. Return to your bathroom and climb in."


    What the hell? So you're telling me I was running around for a half an hour trying to progress on the first level just because I didn't notice my furniture need straightening? There is nothing in game to draw attention to piece of furniture either, no visual clues expect that it has moved slightly from when you saw it last. So the player, upon the start of this game, is suppose to memorize the visual layout of his apartment to tell when a piece of furniture has moved slightly. Was this game even playtested? I can't imagine anyone thinking that this was not insane.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That was my only problem with the game Uselesswarrior. Little shit like that will get you stuck for an hour or so until you look it up online.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It's just funny, I read an article about value and their design process. Alot of thought goes into, what does the player expect to see here, we should make the next area alittle bit brighter so the player can see that's where he needs to go to etc etc. Then they would play test the hell out of it to see if real player reacted they way they expected them to. I'm betting that Silent Hill 4 did not get this treatment. It's actually pretty shameless how they reused sections of the Silent Hill 3 subway level in SH4.

    4 gets shit on alot but it's not like these problems only exist in it. Silent Hill 3 and 2 love to have floor after floor of fake doors that you have to check to make sure they don't go anywhere. I don't recall this being as much of an issue in the original. If you saw it a door in SH1, you could open it, and it went somewhere.

    For SH5, all the american team has to do to one up konami, is make some basic design improvements and try and remove all their crazy person logic. Essentially make it a good game, as opposed to a game that gets by because it has an awesome atmosphere.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I usually just walk every square inch to make sure I don't miss anything.

    SH4's first part pisses me off though. At the very first part you are in your room and you need to open a door, but it was soo fucking dark I didn't find it until I bump into every part of the wall and mashed the action button.

    The fact that the didn't tell me what I was suppose to do made me spend 30 minutes desperately pressing every button and walking everywhere in order to figure out what the hell I was suppose to do.

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  • UrianUrian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    SH4 was trying to make a gameplay experience that was unique but simply fell flat on it's face. It was trying to do something different and very interesting, but they didn't pull it off. It needed FAR more time in the oven, and even then it still might not have worked.

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  • KyanilisKyanilis Bellevue, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

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  • spookymuffinspookymuffin ( ° ʖ ° ) Puyallup WA Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Haunting Ground was called Haunting Ground in Europe.
    And the fanservice-y main character makes a lot more sense when you realise all the montsers are just trying to rape her. (Not saying this makes it a good thing, but it does make it thematically consistent)
    Haven't had time to have a proper try at the game yet, but I liked Clocktower 3 up until the final boss, so I have some hopes for it.

    Fun fact about Haunting Ground, the main character was voiced by Moira Quirk. You might remember her as "Mo" from Nickelodeon's GUTS.

    The more you know...

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I liked the ghost from SH4 though. They were actually pretty terrifying.

    I was like "Oh shit RUUUN." whenever I see them.

    And I really wish that I could play SH2. For some reason the textures for everything other than the characters and monsters disappear after I reached the flashlight. :(

    Was pretty annoyed seeing that I went through alot of trouble in order to import it.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyanilis wrote: »
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

    Yeah, play them in order. There's nothing wrong with that. Only 1 and 3 are related, although 4 has a few references to 2.

    On second thought, maybe you should play 4 first, or you'll probably never be able to finish it since it plays worse than all the others.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Antihippy wrote: »
    I liked the ghost from SH4 though. They were actually pretty terrifying.

    I was like "Oh shit RUUUN." whenever I see them.

    Oh yeah, I agree. SH 4 really was a tragic game. Outside of Pyramid Head, I definitely think it's the scariest game in the series, the story is phenomenal, and, conceptually, it has a lot of awesome ideas. It's just nigh on unplayable, though.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    4 is great. Only thing that makes it any less playable than the others is the area recycling and the stupid changes to the inventory system.
    Seriously, there was just as much illogical nonsense in SH1, 2 and 3.

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  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I thought 4 had the best control system, personally. No more walking like a tank and a combat system that wasn't too terrible.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    4 is great. Only thing that makes it any less playable than the others is the area recycling and the stupid changes to the inventory system.
    Seriously, there was just as much illogical nonsense in SH1, 2 and 3.

    ... and a giant escort quest

    and a slew of unkillable monsters

    and breakable fucking weapons

    and the nerfing of guns

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Oh shit, I forgot about that. Fuck that game, seriously.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    And I forgot to mention the lack of music, and the general sound design wasn't up to par with the previous games. Fucking burping nonsense.

    Still, though. Walter Sullivan is the best fucking character.

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  • StollsStolls Brave Corporate Logo Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Cherrn wrote: »
    And I forgot to mention the lack of music, and the general sound design wasn't up to par with the previous games. Fucking burping nonsense.

    Still, though. Walter Sullivan is the best fucking character.

    In one of the room sequences, you can look through the peephole and he'll slowly, casually walk through the hallway and stop before your door. He turns and stares at you through the door, almost smiling, for like half a minute before wandering off.

    I was thoroughly spooked, and this was before windows started slamming open and shut by themselves in the apartment D:

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  • syrionsyrion Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Walter Sullivan looks just like Chris Jericho.

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  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I found Eileen to be quite helpful - I gave her the riding crop and she was beating the crap out of things. :|

    There did need to be a more Resi4 mechanic where you could tell her to hide in stuff and not worry about her, though.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyanilis wrote: »
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

    It's what I'm doing. I enjoyed the movie (yes, I'm that guy), and immediately went out and bought the first game, which was a hell of a search. Then I gradually picked up 2, 3 and 4 as I found them. I just started 3 the other day.

    I kinda wish I hadn't had the plot twist spoiled for me on 2 though. Damn this forum. I'll never be able to play FF7 either.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyanilis wrote: »
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

    Good idea. Start with SH1 because it is by far the best the series has to offer. Actually I'd rank the series quality in terms of it's order, which is kind of sad when you think about it. If your in the UK you can get the silent hill collection. Which I wished they released in the US. Though maybe the ps3 ps2 emulation is region free? Does anyone know?

    Also good luck finding SH1, it's kinda rare. I was going for 40 on amazon, but you can probably find it for less on ebay. The game works really well on a pc through you know what, that's actually how I played through it initially. I'd say it's worth the money, despite the age of the graphics the experience has held up well. If you have a ps3, you might want to hold off, as I though I heard rumors that it was coming to the playstation originals section, anyone else remember hearing about that?

    Anyone here played origins? Is it worth the $30 bucks?

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyanilis wrote: »
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

    Good idea. Start with SH1 because it is by far the best the series has to offer. Actually I'd rank the series quality in terms of it's order, which is kind of sad when you think about it. If your in the UK you can get the silent hill collection. Which I wished they released in the US. Though maybe the ps3 ps2 emulation is region free? Does anyone know?

    Also good luck finding SH1, it's kinda rare. I was going for 40 on amazon, but you can probably find it for less on ebay. The game works really well on a pc through you know what, that's actually how I played through it initially. I'd say it's worth the money, despite the age of the graphics the experience has held up well. If you have a ps3, you might want to hold off, as I though I heard rumors that it was coming to the playstation originals section, anyone else remember hearing about that?

    Anyone here played origins? Is it worth the $30 bucks?

    I haven't played it yet, but opinion seems to vary wildly between "worse than 4" to "about as good as 3".

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  • MasoniteMasonite Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Aegeri wrote: »
    I got all the Silent Hill games at once and played them straight through back to back in a week of mad dribbling madness etc.

    Of these, I can order the games SH1 > SH3 > SH2 >>>>> SH4.

    The fourth game was just offensive gameplay wise (especially the damn ghosts), but was intense in parts. I really didn't like going back through every level again. SH3 I really enjoyed though, but it was short and if I didn't buy it in the collection (SH2/SH3/SH4) I may not have felt it was value for money. SH2 I'm mixed on, I didn't like that the game didn't have the same feeling in the otherworld SH1/SH3 gave me and it had too much pointless running around without the same horrific feeling of SH1.

    SH4 though, quite frankly, so long as this game is an improvement on SH4 I'll forgive them.

    I rank SH3 over SH2, if only by a slight margin. Some of the set pieces I really enjoyed (the subway and the church) and most of the memorable moments for me happened in that game:
    the back room with the mannequins, encountering your first Insane Cancer in the subway, the pulsating room in the church towards the end;

    "Monsters? They look like monsters to you?"
    And SH4 felt more like a search&fetch action game than it did a survival horror.

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  • KyanilisKyanilis Bellevue, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyanilis wrote: »
    Guys, guys, I've never played a SH game, I'm going to sit down and play them in order, good idea?

    Here's hoping. I don't even know why I had never played them, time to give them a try I guess.

    Good idea. Start with SH1 because it is by far the best the series has to offer. Actually I'd rank the series quality in terms of it's order, which is kind of sad when you think about it. If your in the UK you can get the silent hill collection. Which I wished they released in the US. Though maybe the ps3 ps2 emulation is region free? Does anyone know?

    Also good luck finding SH1, it's kinda rare. I was going for 40 on amazon, but you can probably find it for less on ebay. The game works really well on a pc through you know what, that's actually how I played through it initially. I'd say it's worth the money, despite the age of the graphics the experience has held up well. If you have a ps3, you might want to hold off, as I though I heard rumors that it was coming to the playstation originals section, anyone else remember hearing about that?

    Anyone here played origins? Is it worth the $30 bucks?

    I already know how I can get ahold of all 4, so that's not the issue, I have access to them all so it makes it easier. I've started 1 so far but realized I was far too tired to play last night.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah 4 is the cheapest to buy used.

    I am personally still looking a greatest hits copy of SH2. I might just pick up the regular version, or get the Xbox one (it's bc but apparently has some serious bugs).

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Silent Hill 1 is the best game in terms of depth, I mean I missed a whole section of the game first time through because I simply didn't know it was there. That said, I can't see you enjoying playing it after playing any recent games. It will not only look hideous but control like a flat tank.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Outside of the school, it's also the least scary SH, but I guess some would disagree.

    They're all worth playing, really. 4 and Origins are the only ones that people can't agree on, but they're definitely not as good as 1-3. The games must not have sold very well for the series to fall into such disarray.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Cherrn wrote: »
    Outside of the school, it's also the least scary SH, but I guess some would disagree.

    I disagree, I think it is equally as freaky as any of the other silent hills.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah 4 is the cheapest to buy used.

    I am personally still looking a greatest hits copy of SH2. I might just pick up the regular version, or get the Xbox one (it's bc but apparently has some serious bugs).

    The bugs aren't too horrible, but they do get in the way. Textures sometimes don't load, though it happened maybe 4 or 5 times in my 9 hour playthrough. Additionally, sound sometimes either won't load, or it'll get stuck on a particular loop.
    I had to play the final boss twice because the sound effect when she sends the moths at you got stuck in a continuous loop, and was the only thing I could hear even over the ending cinematic.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Silent Hill 1 is the best game in terms of depth, I mean I missed a whole section of the game first time through because I simply didn't know it was there. That said, I can't see you enjoying playing it after playing any recent games. It will not only look hideous but control like a flat tank.

    As someone that didn't play it until last year, yeah, it looked horrible, but the atmosphere still held up in spades. Still creeped me the fuck out, even if it was a horrible pixelated, blurry mess.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    My fave is 2 but SH3 has some AWESOME moments:
    They look like monsters to you thing.
    The room in the hospital with the mirror.
    The haunted house in the amusement park.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Silent Hill 1 & 3 are my favorites, and they're the ones that go together the best.

    I never did finish 4 because of all the stupid backtracking, but I will eventually.

    It had its moments, but it's easily the least good of the four. (Hardly a bad thing.)

    I still hope the second movie is going to be a direct adaptation of Silent Hill 2, because the ending of the first movie perfectly sets up for it.


    And I also enjoyed Haunting Ground. The high panic moments are insane.

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  • MarioGMarioG Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Im just gonna skip all of them and start with 5.

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  • ScreampunkScreampunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Silent Hill 1 & 3 are my favorites, and they're the ones that go together the best.

    I never did finish 4 because of all the stupid backtracking, but I will eventually.

    It had its moments, but it's easily the least good of the four. (Hardly a bad thing.)

    I still hope the second movie is going to be a direct adaptation of Silent Hill 2, because the ending of the first movie perfectly sets up for it.


    And I also enjoyed Haunting Ground. The high panic moments are insane.

    Unfortunately, Christoph Gans said he wont be returning to work on the sequel. He's busy with the Onimusha movie, I believe.

    Considering that he wanted to have the
    final church scene with multiple Pyramid Heads slaughtering everyone, but couldn't due to budget issues, as well as another scene with the acid-spitter
    I really thought he did a great job turning the game into a film, even if producers fucked around with him.

    So, I am a little bit worried that the next Silent Hill movie (if it ever gets made) wont stack up.

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