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One more computer question, on security this time.

EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I am looking for a device that utilizes some sort of security that would keep anyone from powering on my computer without a key or some such thing. I have looked around on new egg and a couple of gadget sites and I cant seem to find anything that would work in that manner.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Well... have you already purchased your case? That will have an effect on what you can and can't do. Some cases will come with a front panel that includes a lock.

    My bigger question is why do you want to do this? Who are you trying to prevent from turning your computer on? Typical login and bios passwords are probably a better method of securing your data.

    Probably not what you want to do, but this http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/keylock/ ends up looking nice and the key actually is the power switch. But really more of a novelty than anything else.

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  • EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just house guests and stuff I normaly let use my other electronics. Its also just something I would really like to have just to have. I am kind of putting every bell and whistle on the computer I can. I had to go with the Thermaltank armor case.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I think your time/effort/budget would best be served on other bells and whistles. The lock isn't going to do anything that having a login password wouldn't do just as effectively.

    Off the top of my head I don't know of any locks that are designed to be used for this. Generally I think people who want a locking case take that into account when buying the case.

    I know... I'm not much help.

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  • EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Its quite alright, I realize its a very obscure question. I appreciate the advice on looking for other bells and whistles but believe me, there isn't much else I could think of at this point.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    If the case doesn't already have a front cover lock there really isn't a lot you can do.

    However, you can always just take the power button off the front of the case and relocate it (those wires extend pretty far in most cases) to the back of the computer, or under the desk or something, if you're good enough with splicing wires (it's just two leads, almost like stereo cable) you can even extend the wires to map the button anywhere in the room really.

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  • EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I like that idea, I may get one of those wireless turn on remote kits they sell and just disable the manual power button all together, I didn't even consider doing that.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    EvilMuffin wrote: »
    I like that idea, I may get one of those wireless turn on remote kits they sell and just disable the manual power button all together, I didn't even consider doing that.

    Yeah, I mean the only way they could get into it at that point is if they opened your case or manually found and traced the power switch, and if it's that big of a problem you need new guests/friends.

    Out of curiousity though, why does simple password protection and bios locking so that they can't boot into safe mode not work?

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Out of curiousity though, why does simple password protection and bios locking so that they can't boot into safe mode not work?

    You can bypass BIOS passwords by resetting the BIOS, and Passwords are easy to reset with boot discs (I have one, I use it when my parents forget their account passwords).

    To be fair, though, a BIOS reset does involve opening the case and locating a particular, often unlabelled jumper. At which point the "needing new guests/friends" part kicks in.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    japan wrote: »
    Out of curiousity though, why does simple password protection and bios locking so that they can't boot into safe mode not work?

    You can bypass BIOS passwords by resetting the BIOS, and Passwords are easy to reset with boot discs (I have one, I use it when my parents forget their account passwords).

    To be fair, though, a BIOS reset does involve opening the case and locating a particular, often unlabelled jumper. At which point the "needing new guests/friends" part kicks in.

    Yes, and if someone is going to/able to figure this out, they can just open the case and manually short the power connection to turn the computer on, so adding a lock to the power button isn't doing anything more than putting bios/login passwords. Which was what I said.

    None of these methods are true security. They're simply to keep out people who don't know or don't care enough to get by them.

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  • EverywhereasignEverywhereasign Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Another neat trick is to add a second switch to the lead that runs to the power switch. Put this in an out of the way location, like under the desk. That way both switches must be in the on position for the computer to run. If someone who doesn't know the trick tries to turn on the machine, they'll assume it's unplugged or otherwise not working when the main power switch does nothing.

    If you do it with temporary on/off switches (depending on the computer) you can make it so you need to press both buttons at the same time to turn it on.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    japan wrote: »
    Out of curiousity though, why does simple password protection and bios locking so that they can't boot into safe mode not work?

    You can bypass BIOS passwords by resetting the BIOS, and Passwords are easy to reset with boot discs (I have one, I use it when my parents forget their account passwords).

    To be fair, though, a BIOS reset does involve opening the case and locating a particular, often unlabelled jumper. At which point the "needing new guests/friends" part kicks in.

    Unless things have changed radically and I missed it, it's actually much easier then finding the jumper. Pulling the CMOS battery will reset the bios settings including passwords.

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  • EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Guys, I have been bouncing this around in my head. My brother runs a fabrication place and I am really going to go all out on this computer. What I am looking for is any kind of key activated switch like you see in movies that control the nuclear launch, or the torpedo fire or anything like that, where you put a key in and turn it, and only then does the switch or button work. I have been doing a lot of googling around and I cant seem to find anything that I could convert to mount like that.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    They're called ignition keys.

    I don't know if they're widely available in the fashion ou want them.

    But honestly, turning the computer on is the least of your worries.

    Why not use a program like PGP Desktop to perform Whole Disk Encryption and integrate an Alladin eToken or other smart card as two factor authentication?

    That way, unlesss they're going to break your known strong passphrase and break the Alladin eToken ciphers they can turn your PC on all they like, but they're not getting past the boot loader.

    EDITL Yes, I do this for a living.

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  • EverywhereasignEverywhereasign Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    How this.

    Attach to the leads that go to your boot switch, turn key, press button on the computer.

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  • EvilMuffinEvilMuffin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Not exactly, but still better than the one I had found on ebay. Thank you all very much for the good advice!

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